I'm new to the forum, but there seems to be good info here so i thought that i'd post my question. I bought a new 700 ADL Varmint. I can not for the life of me get it shoot a group. Both my brother and I have tried, we are experienced shooters, so I'm sure it's the rifle. I have tried two different scopes, two sets of mounts, check the tightness on all mount screws and the bottom bolts also, they all seem to be set right. A little about what the rifle is doing... When the scopes first go on, I fire a round and make the necessary adjustment. The second round will go in the expected area of the adjustment. But the following next few rounds move up and right (up to 5" at 100 yds). After going down to the 100 yard mark and looking closer at the target and then returning (rifle has cooled), the strike of the round goes back down towards the original intended area and moves back up and right on the following shots. So my thoughts are that it has something to do with the cheap stock. But i'm not certain and would love some feedback. If i am correct, how is Remington about fixing this problem. I know the adl is not best rifle they make, but it is the same barreled action just on a cheaper stock. 5 MOA is certainly not acceptable and I'm sure they realize that. Any comments would be appreciated, let me know if you need some more info to help my diagnose this, i'd be happy to provide it.
I have a few suggestions: Pull the action/barrel out of the stock and check the in-letting of the stock. Look for any anomalies. Put machinist's dykem on the ends of the stock screws and on the bolt lugs. Put it all back together and use 40 in lbs torque on the front screw and 25 on the rear. Work the bolt several times and see if the front stock screw is touching the bolt lug that is in the lower position. Check that the barrel is free floating from the stock from the forward edge of the chamber to the end of the stock. Make sure the front sling swivel screw is not touching the barrel under any condition. Disassemble the bolt and relieve the compression of the ejector button to the minimum necessary for brass ejection. Inspect the muzzle crown for problems. Make sure the buttplate is tightly fastened and not sliding around. At this point benchrest the rifle with good cartridges. I recommend Black Hills ammo.
I suspect that all of the above will improve your groups, but will not bring them down to a 1" average at 100yds using good benchrest technique. I think that ultimately you will have to have a gunsmith pull the barrel and true up the front of the action and of the bolt face. This is usually called 'blueprinting'. There is also the strong possibility that the OEM barrel has severe internal stress problems. Those can sometimes be cured by a cryogenic treatment. Before I did the barrel pull and cryogenic treatment I would just go for a really good aftermarket barrel. ............ Good Luck. Let us know what happens. ...... Big Cholla
I'm new to the forum, but there seems to be good info here so i thought that i'd post my question. I bought a new 700 ADL Varmint. I can not for the life of me get it shoot a group. Both my brother and I have tried, we are experienced shooters, so I'm sure it's the rifle. I have tried two different scopes, two sets of mounts, check the tightness on all mount screws and the bottom bolts also, they all seem to be set right. A little about what the rifle is doing... When the scopes first go on, I fire a round and make the necessary adjustment. The second round will go in the expected area of the adjustment. But the following next few rounds move up and right (up to 5" at 100 yds). After going down to the 100 yard mark and looking closer at the target and then returning (rifle has cooled), the strike of the round goes back down towards the original intended area and moves back up and right on the following shots. So my thoughts are that it has something to do with the cheap stock. But i'm not certain and would love some feedback. If i am correct, how is Remington about fixing this problem. I know the adl is not best rifle they make, but it is the same barreled action just on a cheaper stock. 5 MOA is certainly not acceptable and I'm sure they realize that. Any comments would be appreciated, let me know if you need some more info to help my diagnose this, i'd be happy to provide it.
Before you start messing with the stock and/or barrel, contact Remington and talk with one of their smiths...don't waste your time with a customer service rep as they work with an 'answer guide' and will seldom understand the problem.
Better yet, write a letter to the CEO of Remington and politely explain the problem...chances are someone from Remington will contact you; just make sure you include contact information.
If it is a new rifle, there should be a warranty...once you start messing with things the warranty may be voided. So do it right without regrets.
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I called remington and they told me that i should expect this type of performance and it is acceptable, any suggestions?
yeah, i would contact them again and state that it is not acceptable performance from a new rifle, and if they dont care to resolve the issue , you will inform the world of how bad your remingturd is. remingturd has been going down hill for over 20yrs, and it has rapidly gotten worse since they were bought by the holding company. also doesnt help that their head honcho was recently replaced by a bean counter.
That is NOT to be expected and is totally UNSAT; and you don't have to accept that BS.
Let the CEO know what is the problem and the name of the person who told you it was to be expected, should you have it. You do not have to accept poor performance of any new rifle regardless of manufacturer. Let the Remington CEO know your next new rifle will be a Savage. If you don't get positive action from the CEO, take the rifle back to the dealer as a defective rifle. It's time consumers stop taking crap from manufacturers...that's what I really like about Savage, they will work to make the consumer happy...I know from experience.
It doesn't matter what the model or caliber...it's a new rifle and Remington needs to make good on it.
Keep good records of who, when, why you've talked with. Keep copies of all written correspondence.
We're behind you on this...anyway I am and I'm sure all those who've posted on your thread are also.
By the way, I have a old Remington 600 and a 2 years old Remington 700 and neither one shoot as you descibe.
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Last edited by oldjarhead; 05-15-2012 at 03:11 PM.
As an update, i called back to customer service. The new agent agreed completely and is sending a service request so i can have it sent in and adjusted.
New question, if i am planning to replace the stock, should i just order it and have my smith bed it or send the rifle back and have remington look at it. If it's only the stock, it could be a waste of time?
New question, if i am planning to replace the stock, should i just order it and have my smith bed it or send the rifle back and have remington look at it. If it's only the stock, it could be a waste of time?
I'd wait until I got it back from repair and tested it again, before jumping into looking for a new stock.
If Remington does not make good on the rifle, you may just want to get another brand. In which case, the question of a different stock is moot.
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New question, if i am planning to replace the stock, should i just order it and have my smith bed it or send the rifle back and have remington look at it. If it's only the stock, it could be a waste of time?
IMHO, the problem with accuracy that rifle exhibits is too extreme to be solely caused by an ill fitting stock. While I would probably just go about solving the problem as described in my previous post, IMHO, you have been given the best advice by others in that you should just send it back to Remington and hope for the best. On occasion every product that is mass produced has a unit that slips thru all QC inspection and is a turkey. See what Remington will do for you. ......... Big Cholla
If you're so anxious to spend your money, go out and buy a Savage.
The issue here now is Remington is giving you the nod to have them fix it for you...give them a chance. If it doesn't work out then go ahead and spend your bucks for something else or a different remedy.
Lighten up, slow down, and let Remington do their thing. You're making headway in a positive direction now.
Actually, IMO, the stock is not the cause of your problem...anyway not the sole cause. BTW, you never stated if the stock is wood, laminate, or plastic; just curious.
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Last edited by oldjarhead; 05-15-2012 at 11:18 PM.
It's a very cheap injection mold stock. Same as the SPS but without the hinged floorplate.
It's not so much an anxious thing as much as a "I'm replacing the stock anyway", I just don't like the thing. It was the plan even before i shot the rifle for the first time. I just know that the stock will be here before the rifle will be sent back to me. If the new stock fixed the problem, the returning wouldn't be necessary. However, if you believe the stock isn't the problem, then it doesn't matter either way.
that much shift isnt right and i suspect your barrel got screwed in the heat treat process. the fact that the 3rd round is consistently the first offender sounds like a heat related stress point exists in the barrel somewhere. the stock should be swapped out anyways but it isnt the root of this problem.
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