Help new/used 10/22 misfeeds, sugestions?

Delphin25 · 07-29-2008, 03:56 PM

Info:
I got a new/used Ruger 10/22 carbine. yeh

I downloaded and read the manual, cleaned, oiled, and lubed it.
Tested with 50 rounds of Winchester X22LR. copper round nose
6 misfeeds,

grrrr....
usually but not always the last round in the magazine.
2 brand new OEM magazines, misfeeds occured with either.
no fail to fires, no problems ejecting, great fun, tight groups.
Serial number lookup says built around 1985.
The gun sat in an attic for years, looks like new, it was very dry, but no rust.
The barrel band was cracked, I replaced it. Looks like it was just over tightened and cracked.
After the cleaning and oiling it seemed to function fine, dry
Any suggestions on how to correct the feeding problem?

Ideas and suggestions so far:
Range officer suggested trying CCI Mini-MAG rounds? but they have slightly less muzzle velocity and energy than the Winchesters I used?
I used light application of gold lube (slide grease) on slide and bolt and a bit on spring and guide rod is this wrong? Should I just use oil here on giude rod and spring?
If I got some grease on front of bolt would this contribute to misfeeding?
Maybe I just need to cyle a few hundred rounds through it to loosen it up?
Does this all sound right?
Looks like the gun may never have been fired except at factory maybe.
Should I order a new guide rod spring handle assembly or an after market one, or maybe just polish this one?
Should I sand the lip of the feed area just to de burr it or create a feed ramp with a dremel? OR leave this area alone?
Someone also suggested sanding the stock around the magazine to ensure its not sitting at the wrong angle.
Its too much fun to shoot, I want to get it right, safe and reliable so I can let my Dad shoot it, and maybe talk the wife into shooting it too.
Thanks in advance!

I was using box marked Lot number 3XN311
hmmm just saw this:

Olin Corporation, through its Winchester Division, is recalling several lots of rimfire ammunition.

SUPER-X® HIGH VELOCITY (Symbol X22LR) and POWER-POINT® (Symbol X22LRPP)

Lot Numbers containing Letters: XN, YA, YB or YC

I Will try a box of CCI Min-Mags next Sat. Hope this solves the problem.

madcratebuilder · 07-31-2008, 06:25 AM

If you do a search at rimfirecentral.com you well find info on rebuilding oem mags. You can add a bit more tension to the mag spring, that may help.
22 ammo is pretty dirty so I use dry lube on my rimfires. Grease and oil just collect the dirt.
You may have to shoot several brands of ammo to find the one 'your' gun likes. It should smooth up after a brick of ammo has been run through it.
I would not 'grind' on the feed ramp, but you can polish it up a bit to remove any burr's. If the charging handle and spring are not binding up they are OK, you could polish the charging handle rod if you wanted. Some stock can be tight around the mag, if the mag is tight against the wood, by all means sand it a little.

SgtKnuckles · 08-03-2008, 03:44 PM

1) Get the GREASE OUT OF THERE... Your throwing off the Cycle Timing...
2) 1985 YIKES~Get a New Operating Spring in there to get the Timing Fixed...(it sets the FEED-MAG Release Timing)(its all in the Springs on a Auto-Loader)

Note: 3 Bad AMMO failures in a 500 RD. Bulk Brick is considered Normal for RimFire Cartridges (so says the statistics)(don't blame your Gun for a few Bad RDs. that were DUDS or not enough OOMPH to cycle a Auto-Loader)

10/22 Operating Spring
DavidTubb.com.html

~Don't be afraid to fine tune the MAG lips width to change the Release Angle of the Cartridge...

.22guy · 08-04-2008, 02:52 AM

Mini-mags may have a slightly lower velocity, but they will have much better consistency than bulk pack ammo. You might also try a Volquartsen extractor. Good luck.

GlockMeister · 08-04-2008, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madcratebuilder

If you do a search at rimfirecentral.com you well find info on rebuilding oem mags. You can add a bit more tension to the mag spring, that may help.
22 ammo is pretty dirty so I use dry lube on my rimfires. Grease and oil just collect the dirt.
You may have to shoot several brands of ammo to find the one 'your' gun likes. It should smooth up after a brick of ammo has been run through it.
I would not 'grind' on the feed ramp, but you can polish it up a bit to remove any burr's. If the charging handle and spring are not binding up they are OK, you could polish the charging handle rod if you wanted. Some stock can be tight around the mag, if the mag is tight against the wood, by all means sand it a little.

HMM, what dry lube do you use, or would you recommend?

Would Hornady's One Shot work fine? And where all do you put/use it? In just he barrel? Or all over?

SgtKnuckles · 08-04-2008, 07:53 AM

nathangdad · 08-04-2008, 08:07 AM

some bad feedback on this forum and in other places. I would reclean and reoil (with very light weigh oil such as 3 in 1), get some other major brand of .22 ammo such as Remington, check the ammo and wipe it clean if it has some grease on the outside of the round, then do some test firing.

In general the 10/22 functions reliably.

If ammo changes do not solve the problem then it is time for a gunsmith to take a look.

Delphin25 · 08-04-2008, 02:11 PM

Excellent feedback Thanks.
I found a box off CCI Mini-Mag Round nose, to test with.
Couldnt shoot this weekend though, so will report back as soon as I can.
I did tear it down and examined everything.
Dried up any excces oil and grease. May try a dry lube later. (Thanks SgtKnukles)
The "golden" slide grease is supposed to pick up less junk than oil too. I think this thing did need at least this one good soaking though. (Breakfree CLP)
Smoothed the stock around the magazine a bit, oiled it, looks and feel good. No binding of the magazines (thanks Madcratebuilder)

Smoothed up the 3 exposed holes from the scope mount. That may have been binding and causing the problem. I had bought a weave TO-09 base with screws. Tip off rail really didnt work, scope didnt hold tight. So I used the screws with the OEM base but the screws were too long and hit the bolt, so I stopped. I removed them and ground them down a bit with a dremel till they were all recessed. However this time I did notice the holes had a bit of a lip on them that may have been binding the bolt a bit, so I smoothed them out with sand paper(s) I also ground the screws down a bit more. Seems like everything was sliding a bit smoother afterwards.
I'll report back, and yes (nathangdad) if I dont solve the problem I have a gunsmith lined up to do it properly. I like to do what I can myself, but also try to know when its time for a professional. Thats part of the fun too learning more by doing more.
Safety, Reliability then accuracy.

270moss · 10-28-2009, 05:24 PM

i have a 10/22 and have been advised and now use graphite powder(as used for lubing automotive lock barrells)for my action. it is completely dry and dosen't end up guming up with the crap that comes out of the 22 rimfire cartridge(very dity caliber)
hey you will meet heaps of people with 10/22's and everyone will have differant idears
my advice - listen to it all and take from it what you want (almost like being a parent-everyone has differant idears about that too - some good some bad)
this works for me fine and i haven't seen anything to untoward occuring from it
feed back welcome from anyone
cheers steve

OneHitWonder · 10-28-2009, 07:10 PM

Have had no problems using gun grease on the bolt and guide rod. 500rds or more just fine. I do perfer Rem dry lube on all TG parts.

The problem sounds like a magazine issue. Most feed issues can be attributed to the mag. They get dirty. Diassemble and clean the mag with problems. Buy 1 new mag. Shoot only the new mag a bunch. See if that clears up all the feed problem.

All the info you could need will be found at RFC. RFC Home

madcratebuilder · 10-29-2009, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 270moss

i have a 10/22 and have been advised and now use graphite powder(as used for lubing automotive lock barrells)for my action. it is completely dry and dosen't end up guming up with the crap that comes out of the 22 rimfire cartridge(very dity caliber)
hey you will meet heaps of people with 10/22's and everyone will have differant idears
my advice - listen to it all and take from it what you want (almost like being a parent-everyone has differant idears about that too - some good some bad)
this works for me fine and i haven't seen anything to untoward occuring from it
feed back welcome from anyone
cheers steve

I agree, dry lubes work much better for the 10/22. You get so much debris from firing 22lr rounds, any grease or oil just makes it accumulate faster. There are several spray on lubes that dry to a non sticky finish.

DaTeacha · 11-02-2009, 02:46 PM

Everyone is leaning toward mag issues, but you have tried 2 new OEM magazines, so I suspect that is not the problem. What about the bottom of the bolt face, where it strips the new cartridge. Your problem seems to be with the last round in the magazine, so that one may be contacting the bolt face slightly differently than the others. Try cleaning and closely inspecting the area of the bolt face that touches the round as it comes out of the magazine. Perhaps the extractor hook isn't aligning perfectly with the rim as the round comes up and out, getting the round crooked enough for the nose to hang up? I've got two old 10/22s and both run fine. One is from '76, the other from about '78.

99dragon · 11-11-2009, 01:09 PM

I have never had a problem with a 10/22... ever... well other than I can't shoot it as much as I wanted too.

I have run into jams with others though. The major problem is, well excuse me if this term is too scientific, gunk.

Gunk build up due to lack of cleaning and when cleaned too much oil left in the receiver. I haven't used graphite on a 22 yet, but it's worth a shot. The rifle that I have had problems with was not mine and it looks like there is too much carbon on the feed area and that the bullets can't slide into the chamber like they should.

And ammo was never an issue.... I have always picked up what ever was cheap. I like high velocity, but mostly because of the name. I have really put (almost) every lr that fits into the magazine down range.

07-29-2008, 03:56 PM	#1
Delphin25 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sun Diego, Ca Posts: 12	Help new/used 10/22 misfeeds, sugestions? Info: I got a new/used Ruger 10/22 carbine. yeh I downloaded and read the manual, cleaned, oiled, and lubed it. Tested with 50 rounds of Winchester X22LR. copper round nose 6 misfeeds, grrrr.... usually but not always the last round in the magazine. 2 brand new OEM magazines, misfeeds occured with either. no fail to fires, no problems ejecting, great fun, tight groups. Serial number lookup says built around 1985. The gun sat in an attic for years, looks like new, it was very dry, but no rust. The barrel band was cracked, I replaced it. Looks like it was just over tightened and cracked. After the cleaning and oiling it seemed to function fine, dry Any suggestions on how to correct the feeding problem? Ideas and suggestions so far: Range officer suggested trying CCI Mini-MAG rounds? but they have slightly less muzzle velocity and energy than the Winchesters I used? I used light application of gold lube (slide grease) on slide and bolt and a bit on spring and guide rod is this wrong? Should I just use oil here on giude rod and spring? If I got some grease on front of bolt would this contribute to misfeeding? Maybe I just need to cyle a few hundred rounds through it to loosen it up? Does this all sound right? Looks like the gun may never have been fired except at factory maybe. Should I order a new guide rod spring handle assembly or an after market one, or maybe just polish this one? Should I sand the lip of the feed area just to de burr it or create a feed ramp with a dremel? OR leave this area alone? Someone also suggested sanding the stock around the magazine to ensure its not sitting at the wrong angle. Its too much fun to shoot, I want to get it right, safe and reliable so I can let my Dad shoot it, and maybe talk the wife into shooting it too. Thanks in advance! I was using box marked Lot number 3XN311 hmmm just saw this: Olin Corporation, through its Winchester Division, is recalling several lots of rimfire ammunition. SUPER-X® HIGH VELOCITY (Symbol X22LR) and POWER-POINT® (Symbol X22LRPP) Lot Numbers containing Letters: XN, YA, YB or YC I Will try a box of CCI Min-Mags next Sat. Hope this solves the problem. Last edited by Delphin25; 07-30-2008 at 01:59 PM. Reason: additions corrections

07-31-2008, 06:25 AM	#2
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 2,395 Images: 3	If you do a search at rimfirecentral.com you well find info on rebuilding oem mags. You can add a bit more tension to the mag spring, that may help. 22 ammo is pretty dirty so I use dry lube on my rimfires. Grease and oil just collect the dirt. You may have to shoot several brands of ammo to find the one 'your' gun likes. It should smooth up after a brick of ammo has been run through it. I would not 'grind' on the feed ramp, but you can polish it up a bit to remove any burr's. If the charging handle and spring are not binding up they are OK, you could polish the charging handle rod if you wanted. Some stock can be tight around the mag, if the mag is tight against the wood, by all means sand it a little. __________________ Make peace with your past so it won't screw up the present.

08-03-2008, 03:44 PM	#3
SgtKnuckles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 450 Images: 2	1) Get the GREASE OUT OF THERE... Your throwing off the Cycle Timing... 2) 1985 YIKES~Get a New Operating Spring in there to get the Timing Fixed...(it sets the FEED-MAG Release Timing)(its all in the Springs on a Auto-Loader) Note: 3 Bad AMMO failures in a 500 RD. Bulk Brick is considered Normal for RimFire Cartridges (so says the statistics)(don't blame your Gun for a few Bad RDs. that were DUDS or not enough OOMPH to cycle a Auto-Loader) 10/22 Operating Spring DavidTubb.com.html ~Don't be afraid to fine tune the MAG lips width to change the Release Angle of the Cartridge... Last edited by SgtKnuckles; 08-03-2008 at 04:07 PM.

08-04-2008, 02:52 AM	#4
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,221	Mini-mags may have a slightly lower velocity, but they will have much better consistency than bulk pack ammo. You might also try a Volquartsen extractor. Good luck. __________________ My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office.

08-04-2008, 08:07 AM	#7
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,177	Winchester branded .22 ammo has been getting some bad feedback on this forum and in other places. I would reclean and reoil (with very light weigh oil such as 3 in 1), get some other major brand of .22 ammo such as Remington, check the ammo and wipe it clean if it has some grease on the outside of the round, then do some test firing. In general the 10/22 functions reliably. If ammo changes do not solve the problem then it is time for a gunsmith to take a look.

08-04-2008, 07:53 AM	#6
SgtKnuckles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 450 Images: 2

08-04-2008, 02:11 PM	#8
Delphin25 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sun Diego, Ca Posts: 12	Excellent feedback Thanks. I found a box off CCI Mini-Mag Round nose, to test with. Couldnt shoot this weekend though, so will report back as soon as I can. I did tear it down and examined everything. Dried up any excces oil and grease. May try a dry lube later. (Thanks SgtKnukles) The "golden" slide grease is supposed to pick up less junk than oil too. I think this thing did need at least this one good soaking though. (Breakfree CLP) Smoothed the stock around the magazine a bit, oiled it, looks and feel good. No binding of the magazines (thanks Madcratebuilder) Smoothed up the 3 exposed holes from the scope mount. That may have been binding and causing the problem. I had bought a weave TO-09 base with screws. Tip off rail really didnt work, scope didnt hold tight. So I used the screws with the OEM base but the screws were too long and hit the bolt, so I stopped. I removed them and ground them down a bit with a dremel till they were all recessed. However this time I did notice the holes had a bit of a lip on them that may have been binding the bolt a bit, so I smoothed them out with sand paper(s) I also ground the screws down a bit more. Seems like everything was sliding a bit smoother afterwards. I'll report back, and yes (nathangdad) if I dont solve the problem I have a gunsmith lined up to do it properly. I like to do what I can myself, but also try to know when its time for a professional. Thats part of the fun too learning more by doing more. Safety, Reliability then accuracy. Last edited by Delphin25; 08-04-2008 at 02:16 PM.

10-28-2009, 05:24 PM	#9
270moss Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3	i have a 10/22 and have been advised and now use graphite powder(as used for lubing automotive lock barrells)for my action. it is completely dry and dosen't end up guming up with the crap that comes out of the 22 rimfire cartridge(very dity caliber) hey you will meet heaps of people with 10/22's and everyone will have differant idears my advice - listen to it all and take from it what you want (almost like being a parent-everyone has differant idears about that too - some good some bad) this works for me fine and i haven't seen anything to untoward occuring from it feed back welcome from anyone cheers steve

10-28-2009, 07:10 PM	#10
OneHitWonder Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 13	Have had no problems using gun grease on the bolt and guide rod. 500rds or more just fine. I do perfer Rem dry lube on all TG parts. The problem sounds like a magazine issue. Most feed issues can be attributed to the mag. They get dirty. Diassemble and clean the mag with problems. Buy 1 new mag. Shoot only the new mag a bunch. See if that clears up all the feed problem. All the info you could need will be found at RFC. RFC Home

11-02-2009, 02:46 PM	#12
DaTeacha Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: near Funk, Ohio Posts: 2,915	Everyone is leaning toward mag issues, but you have tried 2 new OEM magazines, so I suspect that is not the problem. What about the bottom of the bolt face, where it strips the new cartridge. Your problem seems to be with the last round in the magazine, so that one may be contacting the bolt face slightly differently than the others. Try cleaning and closely inspecting the area of the bolt face that touches the round as it comes out of the magazine. Perhaps the extractor hook isn't aligning perfectly with the rim as the round comes up and out, getting the round crooked enough for the nose to hang up? I've got two old 10/22s and both run fine. One is from '76, the other from about '78. __________________ Teach NRA -- If you're reading this, you should be a member. United, We Stand.

11-11-2009, 01:09 PM	#13
99dragon Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 28	I have never had a problem with a 10/22... ever... well other than I can't shoot it as much as I wanted too. I have run into jams with others though. The major problem is, well excuse me if this term is too scientific, gunk. Gunk build up due to lack of cleaning and when cleaned too much oil left in the receiver. I haven't used graphite on a 22 yet, but it's worth a shot. The rifle that I have had problems with was not mine and it looks like there is too much carbon on the feed area and that the bullets can't slide into the chamber like they should. And ammo was never an issue.... I have always picked up what ever was cheap. I like high velocity, but mostly because of the name. I have really put (almost) every lr that fits into the magazine down range. __________________ love the smell of burning powder in the morning Last edited by 99dragon; 11-11-2009 at 01:12 PM.