This was a new one on me

Cyrano · 06-18-2009, 07:39 PM

I know the Ruger 10/22 can be modified a jillion ways to Sunday, but this is a mod I've never seen before.

Someone put a pair of 10/22s side by side and changed to barrels with a vented head shield. The trigger group is controlled by a cam and has a handgrip and trigger reminiscent of the M1919A4. It uses the standard curved 50 round magazines and sits on a tripod. It looks rather like the twin guns you sometimes see on Scarff rings on World War I two-seater airplanes.

The clerk told me this setup is fired by holding down the trigger and cranking the handwheel on the side. It seems to work like one of those Hellfire System cranks. The thing is a pair of semi-auto 10/22s that can be made to perform like a Gatling gun.

MSRP is $1,000.

I find it hard to believe a thing like this is legal in New York, not least because you'd need to find pre-ban 50-round magazines in pairs for it. But I was told it IS legal in this state, believe it or not, because the barrel lengths meed the legal standards and it is not a full-auto firearm. I also can't imagine what use you could put such a thing to except in a SHTF scenario.

Has anyone else seen one of these? Or fired one? I'm very bemused by this thing. It ranks high on my list of unusual firearms, but I would like to know what the performance of such a critter is.

PfcDavid_Kocher · 06-18-2009, 08:00 PM

Ive seen that in Cabelas and a few other catalogs it looks kool but besides that i think the cranking motion would be hard to deal with after long uses and keeping it steady as you crank it could also cause some troubles. Thats just my .2 cents but i guess i cant know for sure.

GlockMeister · 06-18-2009, 08:13 PM

Great talking piece though. lol

GUNZABLAZIN · 06-18-2009, 08:43 PM

Calico made the kits in the early 80's for about $90 bucks, then you had to buy two 10/22's and bolt them all up together. I couldn't afford $90 plus another $250 for two 10/22's back then, I wish I would have bought a dozen kits , They also made them for the .30 carbines, using two .30 carbines with 30 rd mags would be cool!!

Calico Gatling Gun w/ Ruger 10/22 Two Twenty Two : Semi-auto at GunBroker.com

Calico .30 Carbine Gatling Gun Kit : Parts Kits at GunBroker.com

DaTeacha · 06-18-2009, 09:26 PM

I've used a single with the crank. The crank gives you four shots per revolution. As long as you crank it by hand, it's a semi-auto and burn through a whole lot of ammo in a short time, raising a nice cloud of dust on a dry backstop. We had it set up with a bi-pod, and it was entertaining for a while, but in contest involving putting the most holes in a tin can in a given amount of time, a normal semi-auto beats the snot out of the crank. It might be more fun with that bi-pod equipped 10-22 based pistol, whatever it's name is.

Tigercat200 · 06-18-2009, 10:03 PM

I have drawings to build a .22 Gatling gun. As long as you hand crank it it's semiauto and you're OK. If you use a cordless drill to sping the crankshaft, it's full auto and you're in trouble. I expect the same would apply here. The magazines are another story.....pre-ban, post ban, banned, etc. Hey, it would be a fun way to make a lot of noise. Not very practical but, fun.

Cyrano · 06-18-2009, 10:28 PM

It might be fun with magazines from a state that does not have to cope with the Slick Willy Gun Ban that's still on the books here in New York. But yes, that Calico's kit is definitely what I saw at the gun shop today.

Iron_Colonel · 06-18-2009, 11:09 PM

Looks like fun, but it will chew through ammo pretty quick in the set up you mentioned. I had seen videos of it on Youtube. Looks like fun, but not really practical for anything other than fun IMO. But, thats what .22s are about, having fun I guess. Its a creative design.

nathangdad · 06-19-2009, 08:33 AM

It seems to have a niche following. In a practical sense I don't think it is such a good idea but I will concede it has plenty of "wow" factor.

If you consider the price of the device, the two rifles, the magazines, and the speed at which you would burn up ammo it is a pretty pricey acquisition.

Yet I must admit I have never seen one used for sale.

Big Dog · 06-19-2009, 08:42 AM

Be a fun but 'ammo-expensive' way to deal with the danged backyard feral cats!

one in the pipe · 06-19-2009, 09:41 AM

We have one that is made to mount on the front of my willeys Jeep . I did not pay $1,000 for mine I had the clamp for the actions machined . It is one peice of aluminum that has two notches machined out of it for the actions and then a peice that goes over the other side of the action the make a sandwich . I also put wing nuts on the bolts for easy take off so you can take the gun's off in less than 5 min . Why did we build it ? 1) cuz its cool as hell 2) We used to use it when we were younger to chase coyote across the Flint Hills here in Kansas . It seems the older you get the less things like that seem as fun . I took out the 10/22's my son has one my brothers son has the other. We will have to get that thing rockin again . The boys are 13 and 14 so they are perfect ages to really like that. I had forgot all about it untell I read this thread . I will see if we can't get the "WHEELS OF DEATH " back together so I can post some pictures .

DaTeacha · 06-19-2009, 07:37 PM

Are you allowed to shoot from a vehicle out there? That would be a good way to lose your gun and other hunting equipment in the vehicle, your hunting privileges for a long time, your vehicle, and a wad of cash in a lot of states.

one in the pipe · 06-19-2009, 11:12 PM

My guess would be yes you are right teach but we were 18 and didn't have the sense god gave a piss ant . I don't think the mounting is illegal but shooting game with it would get your ass in a bind . But that was 24 yrs ago teach it was a whole differant world . The game warden here then was just one of the guys as logn as you didn't have 10 deer hangin in your barn they were pretty cool about things . For instance . When I was 19 my brother my cousin (now a cop) and I all got stopped for speeding and had way over our limit on catfish and bass in the bed of the truck. The
cop said " Give me them 3 big ones and you boys can go home . " We did and he never spoke another word of it . Them my freinds were the days .

SwedeSteve · 06-20-2009, 07:01 AM

They have one of these at my local gun shop. They also had one for AK47's !!

tommy · 06-25-2009, 09:14 AM

i seen the ak kits does anyone know where they sell them beside gunbroker???

deadzero · 06-27-2009, 06:09 AM

They were advertised in Shotgun News for many, many years until the asault weapon ban took place then they seemed to disappear. it's only been in the past year I've heard a lot of talk about this system. I don't know if it is still the same manufacturer or someone else has picked up on the idea. originally they were fitted with the 50 round teardrop mags and later shown with the 50 round bannana double stacks. they sure looked cool but the price is close to what they were back then. at that time, almost 20 years ago, i think they were close to $800.

DaTeacha · 06-27-2009, 09:19 AM

Cabela's '08 shooting catalog shows one on page 74. $400 and you supply the 10/22s. Right above the Gatling gun kit is a BMF activator crank for $20, not intended for hunting applications.

The Gatling kit is item number XX-22-7757.

06-18-2009, 07:39 PM	#1
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 6,743	This was a new one on me I know the Ruger 10/22 can be modified a jillion ways to Sunday, but this is a mod I've never seen before. Someone put a pair of 10/22s side by side and changed to barrels with a vented head shield. The trigger group is controlled by a cam and has a handgrip and trigger reminiscent of the M1919A4. It uses the standard curved 50 round magazines and sits on a tripod. It looks rather like the twin guns you sometimes see on Scarff rings on World War I two-seater airplanes. The clerk told me this setup is fired by holding down the trigger and cranking the handwheel on the side. It seems to work like one of those Hellfire System cranks. The thing is a pair of semi-auto 10/22s that can be made to perform like a Gatling gun. MSRP is $1,000. I find it hard to believe a thing like this is legal in New York, not least because you'd need to find pre-ban 50-round magazines in pairs for it. But I was told it IS legal in this state, believe it or not, because the barrel lengths meed the legal standards and it is not a full-auto firearm. I also can't imagine what use you could put such a thing to except in a SHTF scenario. Has anyone else seen one of these? Or fired one? I'm very bemused by this thing. It ranks high on my list of unusual firearms, but I would like to know what the performance of such a critter is.

06-18-2009, 08:00 PM	#2
PfcDavid_Kocher Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 542	Ive seen that in Cabelas and a few other catalogs it looks kool but besides that i think the cranking motion would be hard to deal with after long uses and keeping it steady as you crank it could also cause some troubles. Thats just my .2 cents but i guess i cant know for sure. __________________ The Man that paints the sky green and the field blue should be sterilized

06-18-2009, 08:13 PM	#3
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 9,578	Great talking piece though. lol __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke"

06-18-2009, 08:43 PM	#4
GUNZABLAZIN Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Blufton,Indiana Posts: 424	Calico made the kits in the early 80's for about $90 bucks, then you had to buy two 10/22's and bolt them all up together. I couldn't afford $90 plus another $250 for two 10/22's back then, I wish I would have bought a dozen kits , They also made them for the .30 carbines, using two .30 carbines with 30 rd mags would be cool!! Calico Gatling Gun w/ Ruger 10/22 Two Twenty Two : Semi-auto at GunBroker.com Calico .30 Carbine Gatling Gun Kit : Parts Kits at GunBroker.com __________________ TED KENNEDY'S CAR HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THEN MY GUNS!

06-18-2009, 09:26 PM	#5
DaTeacha Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: near Funk, Ohio Posts: 2,861	I've used a single with the crank. The crank gives you four shots per revolution. As long as you crank it by hand, it's a semi-auto and burn through a whole lot of ammo in a short time, raising a nice cloud of dust on a dry backstop. We had it set up with a bi-pod, and it was entertaining for a while, but in contest involving putting the most holes in a tin can in a given amount of time, a normal semi-auto beats the snot out of the crank. It might be more fun with that bi-pod equipped 10-22 based pistol, whatever it's name is. __________________ Teach NRA -- If you're reading this, you should be a member. United, We Stand.

06-18-2009, 10:03 PM	#6
Tigercat200 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Middle of the USA Posts: 403	I have drawings to build a .22 Gatling gun. As long as you hand crank it it's semiauto and you're OK. If you use a cordless drill to sping the crankshaft, it's full auto and you're in trouble. I expect the same would apply here. The magazines are another story.....pre-ban, post ban, banned, etc. Hey, it would be a fun way to make a lot of noise. Not very practical but, fun. __________________ Bob Beware the fury of a patient man......John Dryden

06-18-2009, 10:28 PM	#7
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 6,743	It might be fun with magazines from a state that does not have to cope with the Slick Willy Gun Ban that's still on the books here in New York. But yes, that Calico's kit is definitely what I saw at the gun shop today.

06-18-2009, 11:09 PM	#8
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 3,210	Looks like fun, but it will chew through ammo pretty quick in the set up you mentioned. I had seen videos of it on Youtube. Looks like fun, but not really practical for anything other than fun IMO. But, thats what .22s are about, having fun I guess. Its a creative design. __________________ Mosin Nagant evangelist on a mission to convert YOU!

06-19-2009, 08:33 AM	#9
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,087	This design for two rifles has been around a long time It seems to have a niche following. In a practical sense I don't think it is such a good idea but I will concede it has plenty of "wow" factor. If you consider the price of the device, the two rifles, the magazines, and the speed at which you would burn up ammo it is a pretty pricey acquisition. Yet I must admit I have never seen one used for sale.

06-19-2009, 08:42 AM	#10
Big Dog Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 12,806	Be a fun but 'ammo-expensive' way to deal with the danged backyard feral cats! __________________ "A bold spirit embiggens the smallest man!" Jebediah Springfield

06-19-2009, 09:41 AM	#11
one in the pipe Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 683	We have one that is made to mount on the front of my willeys Jeep . I did not pay $1,000 for mine I had the clamp for the actions machined . It is one peice of aluminum that has two notches machined out of it for the actions and then a peice that goes over the other side of the action the make a sandwich . I also put wing nuts on the bolts for easy take off so you can take the gun's off in less than 5 min . Why did we build it ? 1) cuz its cool as hell 2) We used to use it when we were younger to chase coyote across the Flint Hills here in Kansas . It seems the older you get the less things like that seem as fun . I took out the 10/22's my son has one my brothers son has the other. We will have to get that thing rockin again . The boys are 13 and 14 so they are perfect ages to really like that. I had forgot all about it untell I read this thread . I will see if we can't get the "WHEELS OF DEATH " back together so I can post some pictures . __________________ Given half a chance people will do half of what you expect from them .

06-19-2009, 07:37 PM	#12
DaTeacha Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: near Funk, Ohio Posts: 2,861	Are you allowed to shoot from a vehicle out there? That would be a good way to lose your gun and other hunting equipment in the vehicle, your hunting privileges for a long time, your vehicle, and a wad of cash in a lot of states. __________________ Teach NRA -- If you're reading this, you should be a member. United, We Stand.

06-19-2009, 11:12 PM	#13
one in the pipe Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 683	My guess would be yes you are right teach but we were 18 and didn't have the sense god gave a piss ant . I don't think the mounting is illegal but shooting game with it would get your ass in a bind . But that was 24 yrs ago teach it was a whole differant world . The game warden here then was just one of the guys as logn as you didn't have 10 deer hangin in your barn they were pretty cool about things . For instance . When I was 19 my brother my cousin (now a cop) and I all got stopped for speeding and had way over our limit on catfish and bass in the bed of the truck. The cop said " Give me them 3 big ones and you boys can go home . " We did and he never spoke another word of it . Them my freinds were the days . __________________ Given half a chance people will do half of what you expect from them .

06-20-2009, 07:01 AM	#14
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 23,158 Images: 1	They have one of these at my local gun shop. They also had one for AK47's !! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

06-25-2009, 09:14 AM	#15
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,841 Images: 6	i seen the ak kits does anyone know where they sell them beside gunbroker??? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-27-2009, 06:09 AM	#16
deadzero Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: deep in the swamps SC Posts: 1,180	They were advertised in Shotgun News for many, many years until the asault weapon ban took place then they seemed to disappear. it's only been in the past year I've heard a lot of talk about this system. I don't know if it is still the same manufacturer or someone else has picked up on the idea. originally they were fitted with the 50 round teardrop mags and later shown with the 50 round bannana double stacks. they sure looked cool but the price is close to what they were back then. at that time, almost 20 years ago, i think they were close to $800. __________________ If I need more than 1 shot, I need more practice.

06-27-2009, 09:19 AM	#17
DaTeacha Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: near Funk, Ohio Posts: 2,861	Cabela's '08 shooting catalog shows one on page 74. $400 and you supply the 10/22s. Right above the Gatling gun kit is a BMF activator crank for $20, not intended for hunting applications. The Gatling kit is item number XX-22-7757. __________________ Teach NRA -- If you're reading this, you should be a member. United, We Stand.