[Garnett Stancil]

Shannon, Have you thought of cleaning the rust off before the gun gets heavily pitted? "0000" steel wool and oil will get a lot of it off. Also some of the gun shops now carry a stainless steel pad that is even better. Either will remove a lot but maybe not all of the rust without hurting what ever blue remains. Best Wishes.

[blue_drgn]

Thanks Garnett. I hadn't really thought about it too much until lately. The gun was put away because my brother broke some tiny part 15 years ago and at 18 I was too cheep and lazy to fix it. Before I knew it 15 years has gone by. I took it to the gun smith 2 weeks ago he is going to clean and polish the inside of the barrel and fix anything that is wrong with it. When I get it home I do the outside of the barrel as you suggested.

Thanks so much
Shannon

[Garnett Stancil]

Shannon, If possible, please share some new pictures after the cleaning. Best Wishes, Garnett

[blue_drgn]

Will do.

[drew458]

Another new forum member putting in his 2 cents ...

I just found this thread. I have one of these guns, in the 12 gauge 30" and .32-20 26" combination. Many years ago I picked up a short 20 gauge barrel and forearm for one of the very similar models but never got around to fitting it. One barrel is marked Model 220, the other one Model 219. I don't have the gun in front of me right now, so I'm not sure if it's a regular 219 or 219 A, B, or C. There are a host of sub models.


I would like to say that this is perhaps the strongest .32-20 rifle ever built. The barrel is the same diameter as a 12 gauge at the breech and for several inches forward. As a handloader for many years I've made some pretty amazing .32-20 rounds for it, that equal or better the .30 carbine in power. Heck, I've made .32-20 ammo that pushes the 123gr 7.62x39 bullet at over 1800fps. Sure, I know these are waaay over pressure specs, but the SAAMI specs for the .32-20 are anemic. And the brass cases seem to handle it just fine, with no flattened primers or difficult extraction.

I wish the action was better though. As a dumb kid I broke the firing pin on this gun, which was my dad's at the time, by pulling the trigger with the action open and then closing it. We had to get a new pin from Numrich arms, and I think they sent the rifle pin. Much unskilled hand fitting later - the 219/220 action was all hand fit inside and the thing is really hard to take apart - the gun fires but the trigger pull is klunky and about 15 pounds. I see that several of the internal parts are still available from Numrich arms, assuming you can figure out which model is yours. Maybe I can get a new sear and have a winter project.

[Hammer Down]

Quote:       Originally Posted by drew458

Another new forum member putting in his 2 cents ... I wish the action was better though. As a dumb kid I broke the firing pin on this gun, which was my dad's at the time, by pulling the trigger with the action open and then closing it. We had to get a new pin from Numrich arms, and I think they sent the rifle pin. Much unskilled hand fitting later - the 219/220 action was all hand fit inside and the thing is really hard to take apart - the gun fires but the trigger pull is klunky and about 15 pounds. I see that several of the internal parts are still available from Numrich arms, assuming you can figure out which model is yours. Maybe I can get a new sear and have a winter project.

Hello
I have taken mine to a good Gun smith, and he shared with me that the Internal actions are of shotgun design and almost Impossible to Improve upon. He did take the Creep out of my 22 Hornet trigger, but explained with the internals being designed like a shot guns internals, a Light trigger Pull would be not Possible. Due to Low Parts availabilty, I elected to Not screw with mine, just got used to the stiff trigger Pull, and it cleanly strikes the primers without Incident. These guns were called Utility Guns and are not Intended to be match rifles although once you get used to the stiff trigger Pull match results are possible due to the great barrels they have on them... Hammerdown

[Garnett Stancil]

Drew, Try putting a trigger shoe on the trigger. Since it has a much wider surface it may help. I doubt you will find a shoe made for the 219 but you may find one that will fit anyway. I have not shot my 219's enough to even notice if the pull was hard or not. I envey you having a .32-20. That is the only standard caliber I don't have. Best Wishes. Garnett

[abolt .308]

havent been active much but i just purchased my front sight for my 30-30 barrel i cant wait until it gets hear i haven't shot that barrel in about a decade and it is a great gun

[Plumber]

Hello everyone, I'm new to this site. I just found it today. I have been looking for a Savage 220 in 28ga. for six years, and just found one. It's not in the best of shape, and I'm sure I paid too much. But I wanted it and the gun shop owner had me right where he wanted me. I've taken the stock off and am in the prosess of refinishing it. The stock is a straight grained walnut. The forearm is also walnut, but has some sapwood on one side. It was hidden by the old varnish. I love these old guns, they are simple and elegant. I plan to look for a 30-30 barrel that will fit my gun. I may have it rechambered for 30-40 Kreg. KEEP ON SHOOTING.

[Plumber]

Anyone know the rate of twist in the 219 chambered for 30-30? It may be too slow to stabilize the longer, faster 30-40 Krag.

[JohnJS]

Hello, first post here. I am looking for a 219 in 30-30 from reputable seller. Any suggestions? would very much appreciate the help / many thanks / JohnJS

[Hammer Down]

Quote:       Originally Posted by JohnJS

Hello, first post here. I am looking for a 219 in 30-30 from reputable seller. Any suggestions? would very much appreciate the help / many thanks / JohnJS

John
They are getting very hard to find. here is some though... Hammerdown


GunBroker.com - Search Results: Savage 219

[JohnJS]

Hammerdown,
thanks for the reference to Gunbroker. Have been there and am having trouble judging condition from description and pictures. I thought I might have more luck with seller reputation. Looks like you are right, they are getting hard to find. I have been reading past posts and it looks to me like you are the resident expert on 219's. Feel free to send me a direct e-mail with any comments or suggestions. Best Regards and thanks again / John.

[Hammer Down]

Quote:       Originally Posted by JohnJS

Hammerdown, thanks for the reference to Gunbroker. Have been there and am having trouble judging condition from description and pictures. I thought I might have more luck with seller reputation. Looks like you are right, they are getting hard to find. I have been reading past posts and it looks to me like you are the resident expert on 219's. Feel free to send me a direct e-mail with any comments or suggestions. Best Regards and thanks again / John.

Hello Jon
I would suggest contacting the sellers and ask them about condition, and if they offer a three day inspection period should you be the winning bidder. I am No expert on 219's just have had a fondness for them, and have been Lucky in finding what I have of them... Hammerdown

[Lucky Joe]

A couple of months ago I purchased a 219B chambered in the .22 Hornet. It was an impulse buy really simply because I like the older guns. Glad I found this thread, the Hornet was put in the safe and I have hardly touched it since. I'm going to have to read this thread from front to end and see what I can learn. I know I would like to find a bullet mould for this rifle, since I shoot cast 99% of the time.

[ALLSTAR1]

Hello I just found this thread after pulling out my brothers 219 Savage from the gun safe. It seems somewhat unique in that it is conformed as referenced in one of the first posts on this thread about a model 220 shotgun. It has the broad forearm and the highly checkered monte carlo stock. It is marked 22 hornet but has been rechambered to 22 K-Hornet according to my brother. Apparently the trigger has been reworked as it is so light it is borderline dangerous.
It has no sights but drilled and tapped for scope mounts.
I wish I could post pix but that has still eluded my limited abilities.
Is a gun like this worth taking to Cabelas or somewhere they could estimate value? Does anyone have any thoughts on the desirability? I know he shot a lot of groundhogs with it in the 70's but it hasnt been shot since it accidentily went off and put a hole in the roof of his Ford Maverick.

[Garnett Stancil]

In my area of central Alabama, I have been purchasing 219 and 220 Savages in very good to new condition for $150 to $250. I have all but a 16 gauge and a .32-20. I personally think the .22 K conversion would hurt the value, but someone who reloads may not mind. The are really nice firearms!

[ALLSTAR1]

The gun shoots very accurately with 22 hornet ammo. I assume the k-hornet brass is obtained by "fire forming" the cases. I am not very well versed in this. I was sure the configuration was custom. But it is interesting to know that factory stocking was so nicely done. I think around $200 is about the right price on this gun too. Thanks!

[2xcharger]

Question for Hammerdown...I recently recieved my great-grandfather's model 220 shotgun with the 20 gauge barrel. I have been collecting info concerning the piece ever since..this forum has been invaluable..but I am let with a couple of straight forward questions:
1. Will my model 220 reciever fit/work with model 219 rifle barrels? I am interested in finding a .30-30 to use on it. I understand the forearm pieces are different.
2. The piece's firing pin has been sheared off--I am having a darn tough time finding one through the usual outlets (e-gunparts)--any suggestions?

Thank you for any/all info....

[Garnett Stancil]

2X, try to find a good machinist and have one made if Numrich does not have one. Good luck!