My old shotgun

pksu · 08-12-2009, 04:59 AM

Hi Experts
I am from China.This gun was left by my grandfather.He was also know few of gun. Now I am owning this gun,I want to know further about it.Counld you tell me anything that you know or give me some key information.

Look forward to your reply.
Many Thanks!

the link of the gun pictures:Unknown gun - Album - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting

.22hustler · 08-12-2009, 07:42 AM

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samuel · 08-12-2009, 10:04 AM

Get Guns&Ammo on the web and they would be able to help.When you get an answer,would you plaese share with us as I am mystified and curious.Just hit that post reply deal once,it;ll do the rest.Welcome and thank you for a very intresting post. ,,,sam.

ArkansasHunter · 08-12-2009, 10:48 AM

After looking at the picture I must warn you not to shoot it. It is rusted inside and out from what I can tell.
Even if you had it restored you should'nt shoot it. Because it has family history I would buy or build a nice wall display and place it on a wall in your house.

It is a cool looking Old shotgun...To be honest with you it looks like it never was properly maintaned as in keeeping it oiled down...A.H

samuel · 08-12-2009, 03:41 PM

AH:If that firearm came out of China in the past 60yrs it wasn't legal to own and it is hard telling where it was hid at.I just hope this new member can give us more info on a very unique firearm,evidently made by the very people that invented gunpowder and hand cannon.This could be very intresting.The firing mech.looks like a couple knockers/hammers that hit fireing pins that are in bolts that have to be completely extracted to insert a cartridge.Or possibly it is a ML.I would love to see it. ,,,sam.

JimBob · 08-12-2009, 04:41 PM

Interesting firearm.Those three overlapping circles at the breech are very similiar to one of the Japanese arsenal markings.The 20:61 may be a date,anyone familiar with Chinese or Japanese dating conversion to an ordinary calender year date.

big boomer · 08-12-2009, 05:19 PM

A most interesting gun, it seems to be a black powder double shotgun (black powder shells maybe) I might think that it is a Chinese copy of an old Darne or something similar. the Chinese use to make copies of many guns.

rondog · 08-12-2009, 07:43 PM

Kinda reminds me of that video of the gunsmiths in Pakistan that make guns out of scrap metal with hammers and files. Or the photos of this Viet Cong made 1911.

pksu · 08-12-2009, 11:24 PM

length :170CM
weight: 4.5KG
the Diameter of one pipe: 1.6cm

toolman · 08-12-2009, 11:55 PM

Welcome to Gun and Game! I believe that you may be our first Chinese member, if so, congratulations! You have a very unusual firearm and , unfortunately, I can't help with the identification. I'm guessing that the 1.6 mm barrel is similar to our .410 gauge but I'm not sure. I'll see what I can find, but Chinese sporting arms are very rare over here.

frenchy · 08-13-2009, 12:09 AM

Very glad to welcome you to G&G i hope you stay with us your shotgun is very interesting, and maybe someone will be able to find more information about it.
frenchy

rondog · 08-13-2009, 01:12 AM

Man, wouldn't any of us love to look that gun over in person! That last photo is intriguing.

pksu · 08-13-2009, 03:27 AM

Hi guys,Thank you to be friendly.I'm glad to be here with you.
I have this shotgun for severl years.It's left by my grandfather.He told me that this shotgun was from some Foreigners,not home-made.But which country he didn't know either.So I owned this shougun right now.I want to figure it out.I seach the "gun forum" on google and send message on the forum or to some email address.I know there are many gun lovers in UK and gun collecting is very hot in here.So I am be here want some experts could tell me the truth.Till now as my know there are severl suggestion,such as"a punt gun, a home-made, man-made gun, a sporting field gun used by lords and officers, a NIPPLES shotgun ". The more suggestion the less I can use.If you want to leave some message Privately,my email is pksu8@hotmail.com.

My English is not very well.So if there are some words mistaken,pls need some Patient.Thank you.

Windwalker · 08-13-2009, 10:57 AM

Welcome to Gun & Game. We are glad to have you join us. Thank you for the shotgun pictures. Sorry I can't help you with any information on it. Hopefully, someone here will be able to help. Enjoy the site.

Kaybe · 08-13-2009, 11:13 AM

Welcome to the forum. Thank you for the pictures. I am very curious as to what that is and who made it. I find unusual guns really interesting. I hope someone knows.

338RUM · 08-13-2009, 11:27 AM

well I did the conversion and 1.6 cm is equal to .635 inches so he has a rough estimate of a 20 Ga.

wunhunglo · 08-13-2009, 03:55 PM

Ni Hao ma,

Looks like an old Indian/Kyber/Nepal copy of a 1800's, possibly post 1870's, needle fire/rotating breech fowling piece, possibly in 20 gauge, hence the 20:61 marking & the .635 bore. Probably made for (or bought on his travels) some British Officer in one of the Frontier gun makers. Not sure why it would be marked xinhua, unless it is some sort of Chinese/ maybe Hong-kong proof mark. I can find no trace of the markings which points it towards a Frontier copy. How long is the barrel? Looks to be a good 37-40 inches (94-102cm), which would have been 19th century standard for a fowling piece.

I reckon it might have some museum value but no monetary value unless some collector was looking for one.

Do your local authorities recognise it as an antique, I ask because I know how paranoid they can be about public ownership of any sort of gun.

Hang it on the wall or give it to a local museum who might be able to find out more about it.

Good luck with tracking it's lineage.

rebel727 · 08-13-2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wunhunglo

Ni Hao ma,

Looks like an old Indian/Kyber/Nepal copy

That's what I'm thinking. The markings on it look like what you see on guns made by Indian tribal craftsmen.

pajaro · 08-13-2009, 05:13 PM

xinhua is a city in northeastern china..... i can't read the rest of the writing on the gun, as i can't get the photos to enlarge..... very interesting breech mechanism.......

Timmy · 08-13-2009, 06:11 PM

The last pic is a loading recipe.

08-12-2009, 04:59 AM	#1
pksu Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5	My old shotgun Hi Experts I am from China.This gun was left by my grandfather.He was also know few of gun. Now I am owning this gun,I want to know further about it.Counld you tell me anything that you know or give me some key information. Look forward to your reply. Many Thanks! the link of the gun pictures:Unknown gun - Album - TinyPic - Free Image Hosting, Photo Sharing & Video Hosting

08-12-2009, 10:48 AM	#4
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas. Posts: 17,217	After looking at the picture I must warn you not to shoot it. It is rusted inside and out from what I can tell. Even if you had it restored you should'nt shoot it. Because it has family history I would buy or build a nice wall display and place it on a wall in your house. It is a cool looking Old shotgun...To be honest with you it looks like it never was properly maintaned as in keeeping it oiled down...A.H __________________ IN GOD WE TRUST NRA MEMBER

08-12-2009, 03:41 PM	#5
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,916	AH:If that firearm came out of China in the past 60yrs it wasn't legal to own and it is hard telling where it was hid at.I just hope this new member can give us more info on a very unique firearm,evidently made by the very people that invented gunpowder and hand cannon.This could be very intresting.The firing mech.looks like a couple knockers/hammers that hit fireing pins that are in bolts that have to be completely extracted to insert a cartridge.Or possibly it is a ML.I would love to see it. ,,,sam. Last edited by samuel; 08-12-2009 at 03:45 PM.

08-12-2009, 07:43 PM	#8
rondog Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 3,296	Kinda reminds me of that video of the gunsmiths in Pakistan that make guns out of scrap metal with hammers and files. Or the photos of this Viet Cong made 1911. __________________ I child-proofed my house, but they still keep getting in!

08-12-2009, 11:55 PM	#10
toolman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 7,135 Blog Entries: 25	Welcome to Gun and Game! I believe that you may be our first Chinese member, if so, congratulations! You have a very unusual firearm and , unfortunately, I can't help with the identification. I'm guessing that the 1.6 mm barrel is similar to our .410 gauge but I'm not sure. I'll see what I can find, but Chinese sporting arms are very rare over here. __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac!

08-12-2009, 07:42 AM	#2
.22hustler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,469	???

08-12-2009, 10:04 AM	#3
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,916	Get Guns&Ammo on the web and they would be able to help.When you get an answer,would you plaese share with us as I am mystified and curious.Just hit that post reply deal once,it;ll do the rest.Welcome and thank you for a very intresting post. ,,,sam.

08-12-2009, 04:41 PM	#6
JimBob Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: East Central Illinois Posts: 725	Interesting firearm.Those three overlapping circles at the breech are very similiar to one of the Japanese arsenal markings.The 20:61 may be a date,anyone familiar with Chinese or Japanese dating conversion to an ordinary calender year date.

08-12-2009, 05:19 PM	#7
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 2,310	A most interesting gun, it seems to be a black powder double shotgun (black powder shells maybe) I might think that it is a Chinese copy of an old Darne or something similar. the Chinese use to make copies of many guns.

08-12-2009, 11:24 PM	#9
pksu Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5	length :170CM weight: 4.5KG the Diameter of one pipe: 1.6cm

08-13-2009, 12:09 AM	#11
frenchy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: central CA. Posts: 423	Very glad to welcome you to G&G i hope you stay with us your shotgun is very interesting, and maybe someone will be able to find more information about it. frenchy

08-13-2009, 01:12 AM	#12
rondog Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 3,296	Man, wouldn't any of us love to look that gun over in person! That last photo is intriguing. __________________ I child-proofed my house, but they still keep getting in!

08-13-2009, 03:27 AM	#13
pksu Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5	Hi guys,Thank you to be friendly.I'm glad to be here with you. I have this shotgun for severl years.It's left by my grandfather.He told me that this shotgun was from some Foreigners,not home-made.But which country he didn't know either.So I owned this shougun right now.I want to figure it out.I seach the "gun forum" on google and send message on the forum or to some email address.I know there are many gun lovers in UK and gun collecting is very hot in here.So I am be here want some experts could tell me the truth.Till now as my know there are severl suggestion,such as"a punt gun, a home-made, man-made gun, a sporting field gun used by lords and officers, a NIPPLES shotgun ". The more suggestion the less I can use.If you want to leave some message Privately,my email is pksu8@hotmail.com. My English is not very well.So if there are some words mistaken,pls need some Patient.Thank you.

08-13-2009, 10:57 AM	#14
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 6,100	Welcome to Gun & Game. We are glad to have you join us. Thank you for the shotgun pictures. Sorry I can't help you with any information on it. Hopefully, someone here will be able to help. Enjoy the site. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it In God I Trust

08-13-2009, 11:13 AM	#15
Kaybe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northcentral Ohio Posts: 641	Welcome to the forum. Thank you for the pictures. I am very curious as to what that is and who made it. I find unusual guns really interesting. I hope someone knows. __________________ Some people are alive simply because it is illegal to kill them.

08-13-2009, 11:27 AM	#16
338RUM Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lonaconing, MD Posts: 1,025	well I did the conversion and 1.6 cm is equal to .635 inches so he has a rough estimate of a 20 Ga.

08-13-2009, 03:55 PM	#17
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 4,102	Ni Hao ma, Looks like an old Indian/Kyber/Nepal copy of a 1800's, possibly post 1870's, needle fire/rotating breech fowling piece, possibly in 20 gauge, hence the 20:61 marking & the .635 bore. Probably made for (or bought on his travels) some British Officer in one of the Frontier gun makers. Not sure why it would be marked xinhua, unless it is some sort of Chinese/ maybe Hong-kong proof mark. I can find no trace of the markings which points it towards a Frontier copy. How long is the barrel? Looks to be a good 37-40 inches (94-102cm), which would have been 19th century standard for a fowling piece. I reckon it might have some museum value but no monetary value unless some collector was looking for one. Do your local authorities recognise it as an antique, I ask because I know how paranoid they can be about public ownership of any sort of gun. Hang it on the wall or give it to a local museum who might be able to find out more about it. Good luck with tracking it's lineage. __________________ How can I 'Soar with the Eagles' when I'm working with such 'Turkeys'!

08-13-2009, 05:13 PM	#19
pajaro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: newcastle, california Posts: 334	xinhua is a city in northeastern china..... i can't read the rest of the writing on the gun, as i can't get the photos to enlarge..... very interesting breech mechanism.......

08-13-2009, 06:11 PM	#20
Timmy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Poulsbo, Washington, USA Posts: 137	The last pic is a loading recipe. __________________ Duct tape is like the force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the world together