New to shotgunning, have a few questions

waterdog · 08-27-2009, 05:07 PM

WINCHESTER fastest pump gun in the group

waterdog · 08-27-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Seven©

With minimal practice, you can shoot a pump as fast and as accurately as an auto.

You don't need an auto to bird hunt with either. Ever try to shoulder a heavy auto on a flushed grouse? Ever carry an auto all day on a pheasant hunt?

By a ginormous landslide all the popular home/self defense shotguns are pumps. There is a reason for that.

Costs, reliability, capacity, etc. A pump is simply the best choice for a single gun.

spoken from knowledge, somebody taught him well. ...... Waterdog

bamarine · 08-30-2009, 09:01 PM

I have owned a Winchester model 120 since the mid 80's and love it. I recomend screw in chokes also, for versatility. Regretably I did not purchase the then available rifled slug barrel at the same time. I deer hunt with a Winchester model 1300 with slug barrel and those sweet Winchester rifle sights. Love it. Call me simple, but I love the Winchesters for the light wieght, high performance, and low price. For home defense, any intruder in my home is gonna face 5 rounds of 00 buck from that 120, then my back up.

Jharth43 · 08-31-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lobo0311

here's a pic of my scattergun

we have the same stock.
the specops kicks @$$

wunhunglo · 08-31-2009, 02:30 PM

Can a double barrelled SS or O/U be as fast as a pump or Auto?

thrillbilly · 08-31-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wunhunglo

Can a double barrelled SS or O/U be as fast as a pump or Auto?

Sure! A double trigger model is even faster then a pump/semi....twice! LOL

wunhunglo · 08-31-2009, 03:41 PM

Funny that, on a couple of competitions I've been involved in, most guys with DB's (ejectors) completed a 30 round course of fire faster than the pumps & autos??

thrillbilly · 08-31-2009, 03:48 PM

It's a matter of how much training a person wants to do, the average "one box of shells to see if she works" gunowner couldn't. I can get a second shot at skeet with a H&R single shot...I hold a spare shell in my left hand, fire, "dump" it open with my right hand, load, and shut it while cocking it. But I've shot thousands of rounds through shotties. I would feel secure with any 12G myself...I just like pumps. I need to buy a double SxS though, just beacause.

wunhunglo · 08-31-2009, 03:58 PM

Yup,
I've had an auto, got a pump , SxS and O/U (with 26 & 30" barrels) in 12 ga but I prefer the O/U, I could go all day long, bang-bang, dump, load, bang-bang.

Tack Driver · 09-01-2009, 08:38 PM

Those O/U's and side by sides give you much quicker reloads. You don't have to flip the gun over and feed those shells in the tube mag.

Deersniper · 09-15-2009, 10:37 AM

My Mav 88 has been a good one. I've been thinking about putting a pistol grip on mine. Can you still aim it normally or will it pop you in the head?

Metronome · 09-15-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by thrillbilly

I need to buy a double SxS though, just because.

Amen to that!
Stoeger coach guns on sale local for $369, Mossberg 500 18"/28" combos $259.... such a tough decision!

samuel · 09-15-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Deersniper

My Mav 88 has been a good one. I've been thinking about putting a pistol grip on mine. Can you still aim it normally or will it pop you in the head?

In my opinion it should pop you in the head if you put a pistol grip on and no stock.But it probably won't.You just won't be able to hit what you want to much of the time.Those old timers were pretty smart years ago when they put a stock on handcannons to aid in aiming. ,,,sam.

thrillbilly · 09-15-2009, 02:59 PM

^ I agree about the pistol grip. I have a 535 with a ATI six-position stock, I like the pistol grip WITH the stock, but shooting with just the pistol grip isn't very effective. The recoil aint bad, but accuracy is shite...it's amazing how bad you can miss something from the hip with a shotgun! LOL

Deersniper · 09-16-2009, 03:27 PM

That's what I thought. ATI has a fold over stock but it covers the Truglo sights and the safety. But I've heard side folders interfere too. Just trying to shorten it up and keep it accurate. I might go with a Knoxx stock then.

jesse813 · 09-23-2009, 11:01 AM

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With minimal practice, you can shoot a pump as fast and as accurately as an auto.

You don't need an auto to bird hunt with either. Ever try to shoulder a heavy auto on a flushed grouse? Ever carry an auto all day on a pheasant hunt

I have a remington 12GA that i plan to use for bird hunting. its an auto but from what your saying the pumps are better for birds. is that just your opinion or from expierence.

joe90 · 09-28-2009, 11:34 AM

everything is opinion. the opinion may come from experience but it's still an opinion.. just my 2 cents. and as others have said, with practice any gun can be just as good as any other. get what feels good to you and is reliable from what others have experienced, then go from there. for the multi-purpose gun I would agree that pump is probably your best bet. another brand to add into the mix is benelli, they're a little pricier but I've heard nothing but good things.

Phantom76239 · 10-26-2009, 11:34 PM

Whoa! It's been a bit since I checked this post, but what a lot of information! Thanks to all. Okay, here's the update - there was a gunshow near my home town this past weekend. I went with the hopes of pricing some AR-15's and Sig P226's, and of walking out with a shotgun. Prices were a little unrealistic, even for used guns, so I left emptyhanded. Then my wife (yep, she VOLUNTEERED to go along, and had a good time!) suggested we go to the nearby Bass Pro Shop. Walked out with a Mossberg 535 vent-rib for less than $300. Can't wait to shoot it! I think I will add an M-4 buttstock and pistol grip (the pictures are cool, guys!), and maybe a second, shortened barrel for HD use. Red dot sight, too, but not right away. More as it happens... - Chris

Stoof · 10-27-2009, 12:38 AM

Is benelli out of the question? I've heard good things about the nova

Phantom76239 · 10-27-2009, 08:31 AM

Having already made my purchase, Benelli is out for THIS round. I'm not sure I'm through buying shotguns, however, and I've heard nothing but good about Benelli, too. Maybe next time...
New question: I've shot shotguns before and am familiar with bead front sights and post front sights. My new gun has a bead at the end of the barrel, and a post about a foot and a half back. What is the sight picture in this arrangement, tip of the post in the middle of the bead, bead on top of the post, or what?

08-31-2009, 02:30 PM	#25
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 4,102	Can a double barrelled SS or O/U be as fast as a pump or Auto? __________________ How can I 'Soar with the Eagles' when I'm working with such 'Turkeys'!

08-31-2009, 03:41 PM	#27
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 4,102	Funny that, on a couple of competitions I've been involved in, most guys with DB's (ejectors) completed a 30 round course of fire faster than the pumps & autos?? __________________ How can I 'Soar with the Eagles' when I'm working with such 'Turkeys'!

08-31-2009, 03:48 PM	#28
thrillbilly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ozark Hill Country Posts: 2,611	It's a matter of how much training a person wants to do, the average "one box of shells to see if she works" gunowner couldn't. I can get a second shot at skeet with a H&R single shot...I hold a spare shell in my left hand, fire, "dump" it open with my right hand, load, and shut it while cocking it. But I've shot thousands of rounds through shotties. I would feel secure with any 12G myself...I just like pumps. I need to buy a double SxS though, just beacause. __________________ *" I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on."* John Wayne

08-31-2009, 03:58 PM	#29
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 4,102	Yup, I've had an auto, got a pump , SxS and O/U (with 26 & 30" barrels) in 12 ga but I prefer the O/U, I could go all day long, bang-bang, dump, load, bang-bang. __________________ How can I 'Soar with the Eagles' when I'm working with such 'Turkeys'!

09-01-2009, 08:38 PM	#30
Tack Driver Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Caswell County, NC Posts: 392	Those O/U's and side by sides give you much quicker reloads. You don't have to flip the gun over and feed those shells in the tube mag. __________________ If pro is the opposite of con, is Congress the opposite of progress?

08-27-2009, 05:07 PM	#21
waterdog Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 679	WINCHESTER fastest pump gun in the group

08-30-2009, 09:01 PM	#23
bamarine Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Windom, Mn. Posts: 5	I have owned a Winchester model 120 since the mid 80's and love it. I recomend screw in chokes also, for versatility. Regretably I did not purchase the then available rifled slug barrel at the same time. I deer hunt with a Winchester model 1300 with slug barrel and those sweet Winchester rifle sights. Love it. Call me simple, but I love the Winchesters for the light wieght, high performance, and low price. For home defense, any intruder in my home is gonna face 5 rounds of 00 buck from that 120, then my back up.

09-15-2009, 10:37 AM	#31
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,611	My Mav 88 has been a good one. I've been thinking about putting a pistol grip on mine. Can you still aim it normally or will it pop you in the head?

09-15-2009, 02:59 PM	#34
thrillbilly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ozark Hill Country Posts: 2,611	^ I agree about the pistol grip. I have a 535 with a ATI six-position stock, I like the pistol grip WITH the stock, but shooting with just the pistol grip isn't very effective. The recoil aint bad, but accuracy is shite...it's amazing how bad you can miss something from the hip with a shotgun! LOL __________________ *" I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on."* John Wayne

09-16-2009, 03:27 PM	#35
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,611	That's what I thought. ATI has a fold over stock but it covers the Truglo sights and the safety. But I've heard side folders interfere too. Just trying to shorten it up and keep it accurate. I might go with a Knoxx stock then.

09-28-2009, 11:34 AM	#37
joe90 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 182	everything is opinion. the opinion may come from experience but it's still an opinion.. just my 2 cents. and as others have said, with practice any gun can be just as good as any other. get what feels good to you and is reliable from what others have experienced, then go from there. for the multi-purpose gun I would agree that pump is probably your best bet. another brand to add into the mix is benelli, they're a little pricier but I've heard nothing but good things.

10-26-2009, 11:34 PM	#38
Phantom76239 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 11	Whoa! It's been a bit since I checked this post, but what a lot of information! Thanks to all. Okay, here's the update - there was a gunshow near my home town this past weekend. I went with the hopes of pricing some AR-15's and Sig P226's, and of walking out with a shotgun. Prices were a little unrealistic, even for used guns, so I left emptyhanded. Then my wife (yep, she VOLUNTEERED to go along, and had a good time!) suggested we go to the nearby Bass Pro Shop. Walked out with a Mossberg 535 vent-rib for less than $300. Can't wait to shoot it! I think I will add an M-4 buttstock and pistol grip (the pictures are cool, guys!), and maybe a second, shortened barrel for HD use. Red dot sight, too, but not right away. More as it happens... - Chris

10-27-2009, 12:38 AM	#39
Stoof Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 12	Is benelli out of the question? I've heard good things about the nova

10-27-2009, 08:31 AM	#40
Phantom76239 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 11	Having already made my purchase, Benelli is out for THIS round. I'm not sure I'm through buying shotguns, however, and I've heard nothing but good about Benelli, too. Maybe next time... New question: I've shot shotguns before and am familiar with bead front sights and post front sights. My new gun has a bead at the end of the barrel, and a post about a foot and a half back. What is the sight picture in this arrangement, tip of the post in the middle of the bead, bead on top of the post, or what?