rifled slug or rifled barrel?

mlschiestel · 09-23-2009, 03:49 AM

I have heard that to get the best accuracy with slugs that you should get a rifles barrel and use just a normal slug, but is this true or will you get around the same distance and accuracy out of a smooth bore barrel and using a rifled slug?

dogknott · 09-23-2009, 04:23 AM

Don't shoot rifled slugs (foster type) out of a rifled barrel, you will lead it into a smooth bore quikly. The "rifleing" of a foster slug is accualy for gripping the barrel or to compress in a full choke, not to make it spin. get sabot type slugs for a rifled barrel, geat accrucy can be had.

338RUM · 09-23-2009, 11:09 AM

more accuracy is to be had w/ a rifled barrel

samuel · 09-23-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dogknott

Don't shoot rifled slugs (foster type) out of a rifled barrel, you will lead it into a smooth bore quikly. The "rifleing" of a foster slug is accualy for gripping the barrel or to compress in a full choke, not to make it spin. get sabot type slugs for a rifled barrel, geat accrucy can be had.

BS!If you clean the rifled barrel properly it won't lead up and besides I have seen over a hundred lead slugs fired through rifled barrels with no loss of accuracy.I have used both but if you have a rifled barrel and want more range,use sabots.I prefer a smoothbore because I don't shoot that far and have the option of using shot if I want to.Altho I never have used it,I see nothing wrong with buckshot under 25yds.Dead is dead. ,,,sam.

GlockMeister · 09-23-2009, 01:43 PM

Then why do they (the experts and the manufacturers of the rifled slugs) say not to?

FWIW, the sabot slug fired through the rifles barrel is suppose to give greater accuracy.

thrillbilly · 09-23-2009, 02:19 PM

If you want accuracy, send a Rem870 to Tar-Hunt...for 500$ they put a new rifled barrel on and block it to the receiver for the greatest accuracy. Or look at a Tar-Hunt bolt action, but you better have deep pockets!

It depends on if you are wanting a gun for longer-range shooting or "brush-hunting". I've found that a regular field barrel with foster slugs gives you more then enough accuracy for 75 yards or so. Try different brands and sizes (23/4"/3") in your gun to see which is most accurate. I've found that shotguns can be finicky about ammo, so find one that your gun likes.

dogknott · 09-23-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by samuel

BS!If you clean the rifled barrel properly it won't lead up and besides I have seen over a hundred lead slugs fired through rifled barrels with no loss of accuracy.I have used both but if you have a rifled barrel and want more range,use sabots.I prefer a smoothbore because I don't shoot that far and have the option of using shot if I want to.Altho I never have used it,I see nothing wrong with buckshot under 25yds.Dead is dead. ,,,sam.

Do you believe that the rifling on a slug will line up with the rifling on a barrel? Do you believe that all manufactures make there barrels to the same twist rate? The slug shaves of in the barrels rifling. Coming from a state that is slug only for regular deer seasons, I have seen it TOO many times where barrels lead up after 7-10 shots, and accuracy falls fast.

samuel · 09-23-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dogknott

Do you believe that the rifling on a slug will line up with the rifling on a barrel? Do you believe that all manufactures make there barrels to the same twist rate? The slug shaves of in the barrels rifling. Coming from a state that is slug only for regular deer seasons, I have seen it TOO many times where barrels lead up after 7-10 shots, and accuracy falls fast.

If the damn thing looses accuracy from leading you need to clean it of course.If it is still shooting straight after 50/100 shots you don't have to.I said proper cleaning and that means when it needs it "or you feel like it".Plastic "shaves"off just as bad as lead.And I am pleased to learn you have so much experience.Go out and get more. ,,,sam.

GlockMeister · 09-23-2009, 11:36 PM

The way it was told to me was a rifled slug shot from a rifled barrel could actually get stuck. Specifically because there is no guarantee the lands and grooves would line up?

I don't know how true that is, but it seems Spock enough to me... lol

jrswanson1 · 09-24-2009, 08:59 AM

I've used a rifled choke on Remington slugsters with decent accuracy. 1" groups at 50 yards with a red dot.

Jim

samuel · 09-24-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

The way it was told to me was a rifled slug shot from a rifled barrel could actually get stuck. Specifically because there is no guarantee the lands and grooves would line up?

I don't know how true that is, but it seems Spock enough to me... lol

Those grooves on foster type slugs were never put there for any purpose except to allow the slug to squeeze down to go through choke restrictions.Making them in a spiral was only for sales.They don't line up with anything and they don't make the slug turn.And if there is powder in the cartridge,there is no way to stick a slug unless there is a foreign object in the barrel.A 12ga full choke meisures .694" and I have seen foster type slugs fired through a .665"Turkey choke with no harm.Foster type slugs are still the best deal on the market and will bring deer/bear down efficiently and humanely if used in their power range.They are usually decently accurate in a shot barrel,fairly accurate in a slug barrel with open or scope sights,and more accurate in a rifled barrel.Sabots,being lighter give longer range and sustain energy better at extended ranges because of their smaller diammeter.and are "possibly"more accurate than fosters. ,,,sam.

jerry · 09-24-2009, 06:25 PM

my experience lines up with what sam is talking about I understand results may vary especially with shotguns. alot of folks look at them like spewing sewer pipes, LOL. However they can be more finicky than a centerfire rifle at times.

I don't doubt what some folks have noticed on thier own.

Sam, don't be too gruff with them, were all learning here and there Sir.

FISHPOND · 09-24-2009, 07:16 PM

I've had great luck with Federal TRU BALL out of my smoothie, Rem. 870..

TargetGunFan · 09-24-2009, 09:22 PM

rifled barrel with sabot slugs = most accurate shotgun slug

samuel · 09-25-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jerry

my experience lines up with what sam is talking about I understand results may vary especially with shotguns. alot of folks look at them like spewing sewer pipes, LOL. However they can be more finicky than a centerfire rifle at times.

I don't doubt what some folks have noticed on thier own.

Sam, don't be too gruff with them, were all learning here and there Sir.

Heavy on the Sir. ,,,sam.

GlockMeister · 09-27-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by samuel

Those grooves on foster type slugs were never put there for any purpose except to allow the slug to squeeze down to go through choke restrictions.Making them in a spiral was only for sales.They don't line up with anything and they don't make the slug turn.And if there is powder in the cartridge,there is no way to stick a slug unless there is a foreign object in the barrel.A 12ga full choke meisures .694" and I have seen foster type slugs fired through a .665"Turkey choke with no harm.Foster type slugs are still the best deal on the market and will bring deer/bear down efficiently and humanely if used in their power range.They are usually decently accurate in a shot barrel,fairly accurate in a slug barrel with open or scope sights,and more accurate in a rifled barrel.Sabots,being lighter give longer range and sustain energy better at extended ranges because of their smaller diammeter.and are "possibly"more accurate than fosters. ,,,sam.

So what would you suggest for say an 18.5" 12ga. "security barrel" with a cylinder choke? Specifically a Mossberg model 500 with the afore mentioned barrel/choke...And for strictly home defense at this point.

WinFan · 09-27-2009, 02:15 PM

That's a loaded question. Think about factors first. Do you want to kill, maim or scare? Are you living in a apartment, townhouse, single family or farm? Are you in the city, suburbs or country? What are the local gun laws?

samuel · 09-27-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

So what would you suggest for say an 18.5" 12ga. "security barrel" with a cylinder choke? Specifically a Mossberg model 500 with the afore mentioned barrel/choke...And for strictly home defense at this point.

Altho I personally dissagree,the experts say 00buck is best inside a dwelling,prefferably 2 3/4".Even tho I have argued for birdshot,all of the research in shotguns for SD conclude 00buck for close work and slugs for ranges 21' and over.I cannot advise against the experts as they have researched beyond anything I have.Altho I didn't carry a shotgun in combat,I knew what they had and saw the effects.They used 00 and #4 buck and the 00 was virtually always fatal,whereas the #4 was effective if not always fatal.The experts reccomend 00,I go along with them.(but I personally believe birdshot would do inside a house.) ,,,sam.

Lobo0311 · 09-27-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by samuel

Altho I personally dissagree,the experts say 00buck is best inside a dwelling,prefferably 2 3/4".Even tho I have argued for birdshot,all of the research in shotguns for SD conclude 00buck for close work and slugs for ranges 21' and over.I cannot advise against the experts as they have researched beyond anything I have.Altho I didn't carry a shotgun in combat,I knew what they had and saw the effects.They used 00 and #4 buck and the 00 was virtually always fatal,whereas the #4 was effective if not always fatal.The experts reccomend 00,I go along with them.(but I personally believe birdshot would do inside a house.) ,,,sam.

After actually stopping to think about it, I dont see a down side to birdshot for SD, whats gonna do more damage, 9 pellets or several hundred to a thousand?

samuel · 09-27-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lobo0311

After actually stopping to think about it, I dont see a down side to birdshot for SD, whats gonna do more damage, 9 pellets or several hundred to a thousand?

Definitly the 00 buck.It penetrates three times as deep.And at in house range the spread is minimal. ,,,sam.

09-23-2009, 03:49 AM	#1
mlschiestel Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 10	rifled slug or rifled barrel? I have heard that to get the best accuracy with slugs that you should get a rifles barrel and use just a normal slug, but is this true or will you get around the same distance and accuracy out of a smooth bore barrel and using a rifled slug?

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09-23-2009, 01:43 PM	#5
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 10,797	Then why do they (the experts and the manufacturers of the rifled slugs) say not to? FWIW, the sabot slug fired through the rifles barrel is suppose to give greater accuracy. __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke" Last edited by GlockMeister; 09-23-2009 at 01:47 PM.

09-23-2009, 02:19 PM	#6
thrillbilly Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ozark Hill Country Posts: 3,199	If you want accuracy, send a Rem870 to Tar-Hunt...for 500$ they put a new rifled barrel on and block it to the receiver for the greatest accuracy. Or look at a Tar-Hunt bolt action, but you better have deep pockets! It depends on if you are wanting a gun for longer-range shooting or "brush-hunting". I've found that a regular field barrel with foster slugs gives you more then enough accuracy for 75 yards or so. Try different brands and sizes (23/4"/3") in your gun to see which is most accurate. I've found that shotguns can be finicky about ammo, so find one that your gun likes. __________________ *" I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on."* John Wayne

09-23-2009, 11:36 PM	#9
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 10,797	The way it was told to me was a rifled slug shot from a rifled barrel could actually get stuck. Specifically because there is no guarantee the lands and grooves would line up? I don't know how true that is, but it seems Spock enough to me... lol __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke"

09-23-2009, 04:23 AM	#2
dogknott Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: IOWA Posts: 22	Don't shoot rifled slugs (foster type) out of a rifled barrel, you will lead it into a smooth bore quikly. The "rifleing" of a foster slug is accualy for gripping the barrel or to compress in a full choke, not to make it spin. get sabot type slugs for a rifled barrel, geat accrucy can be had.

09-24-2009, 08:59 AM	#10
jrswanson1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,288	I've used a rifled choke on Remington slugsters with decent accuracy. 1" groups at 50 yards with a red dot. Jim

09-24-2009, 06:25 PM	#12
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 13,768 Blog Entries: 1	my experience lines up with what sam is talking about I understand results may vary especially with shotguns. alot of folks look at them like spewing sewer pipes, LOL. However they can be more finicky than a centerfire rifle at times. I don't doubt what some folks have noticed on thier own. Sam, don't be too gruff with them, were all learning here and there Sir.

09-24-2009, 07:16 PM	#13
FISHPOND Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,023	I've had great luck with Federal TRU BALL out of my smoothie, Rem. 870.. __________________ You only have the right's your willing to fight for......

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09-27-2009, 02:15 PM	#17
WinFan Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: N. Va Posts: 17	That's a loaded question. Think about factors first. Do you want to kill, maim or scare? Are you living in a apartment, townhouse, single family or farm? Are you in the city, suburbs or country? What are the local gun laws?