Is the cost justified?

Metronome · 09-26-2009, 04:58 PM

So my purchase of a real shotgun is not far from becoming a reality, but here is one hurdle I am facing.
I am favoring the Mossberg 500 series, and for now, all I want is a short barrel. I am really enamored with the Marinecote nickel version, especially on the 590A1 version with the added metal bits (not that it is a necessity but it sure looks cool!). Unfortunately, this one is going to be hard to get, but the real issue is the price. for the basic, 590A1 Marinecote, the price locally is running in the $500 range. Now if I just time it out, the local Big 5 stores will have the basic blued version with the 18.5" and 28" barrels for $250. So here I can have two barrels for about $250 less than the bells and whistles.
Again, the same Big 5 will have a nickel Charles Daly defense style gun for $270 but then accessories are out the window and I am not that thrilled with the company and product.
I'm not trying to make a super-tacticool anything, I just like the idea of the corrosion resistance, and extra strength on the little bits (being as I just rusted the heck out of my .30-06 and broke the plastic rear sight off on my most recent hunting trip).
How do I convince myself that the extras are worth the double price?

oldjarhead · 09-26-2009, 05:26 PM

$500 for a $250 shotgun seems a no brainer.
Go with the parkerized Mossberg 590 or equivilent 500.

rebel727 · 09-26-2009, 05:49 PM

What oldjarhead said. It isn't worth it.

ArkansasHunter · 09-26-2009, 05:52 PM

The way I look at this is, it's best to get what you really want. If money is'nt an issue.
The one you want loaded will be Heavy in weight...My plain Jane Mossberg Mavrick 88 has a great black or blued finish and no bells and whistles.
I put a 5 round elastic cuff that carrys 5 rounds and with it fully loaded it's heavy.

You'll love what ever you get, it's actually a Pleasure owning a short barreled shotgun...A.H

Seven© · 09-26-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Metronome

Unfortunately, this one is going to be hard to get, but the real issue is the price. for the basic, 590A1 Marinecote, the price locally is running in the $500 range.

The guys (I trust) at my local shop said the Marinecote was a coating that people had some problems with. IMO, not worth the extra money. It's not stainless steel. It's a coating. It will chip.

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Originally Posted by Metronome

Again, the same Big 5 will have a nickel Charles Daly defense style gun for $270 but then accessories are out the window and I am not that thrilled with the company and product.

Bought my daughter a CD shotgun. It's not a bad gun, but it's nothing special. It's just an OK gun.

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Originally Posted by Metronome

How do I convince myself that the extras are worth the double price?

You don't.

samuel · 09-26-2009, 06:24 PM

Buy the lower priced one,and lots of ammo with the extra money.A gun ain't no good if you don't have lots of ammo. ,,,sam.

Metronome · 09-26-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by samuel

Buy the lower priced one,and lots of ammo with the extra money.A gun ain't no good if you don't have lots of ammo. ,,,sam.

This is the most sensical thing I have read on the internet!

Yeah, I think I will look and see if the 590 is available, and if the cost isn't too much more than the standard issue, I think it could be worth the parkerization and metal parts. And if I really need a gleaming gun I can always get a can of metallic spraypaint. Other accounts have not been that positive about the nickel coats on shotguns so in my mind, that option is out.

A coworker also brough up the idea to sell the extra 28" barrel on Craigslist to further reduce costs. I think I may need to spend some quality time shucking some actions!

Yogi · 09-27-2009, 04:35 PM

If you want to save $, buy a coach gun.

Metronome · 09-27-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Yogi

If you want to save $, buy a coach gun.

Oh lets not add fuel to that fire, I am already in love with the Stoeger Coach, but those are $100 more! Something about a shotgun the length of a yardstick that is just plain awesome.

Lobo0311 · 09-27-2009, 08:57 PM

Teh fact that you're trying to convince yourself to spend the extra $$$ should tell you something aint right. Buy the blued or parkerized version and call it good, there really aint anything super special about the Marinecote finish. If I recall correctly it's the nickel looking finish right? You really want a finish that reflects light on a defensive firearm?

ironhead7544 · 09-27-2009, 09:05 PM

I have the 500 short barrel with ghost ring sights. Thats all I need in a shotgun.

Kaybe · 09-28-2009, 01:20 AM

Buy the cheaper gun and get extra ammo, great advice. Something about a double barreled boom stick......

jrswanson1 · 09-28-2009, 10:54 AM

Buy the basic 500, shoot some magnum buck shot through it, cuss at the bruise on your shoulder, then go to Midway.com and pick up a Knoxx recoil reducing stock, install it, and try shooting magnum buck shot through it again. Your shoulder will thank me.

Jim

Metronome · 09-28-2009, 11:52 AM

Got to handle the 500 and the 590, and that is definitely the platform I want. I know there is a lot of opposition to them, but has anyone tried the pistol grips from Pachmayr or Hogue? I also like the Mark 5 pistol grip stock from Choate, the spacer system is very appealing because I like a shorter length of pull, and I am not thrilled with the AR style stocks.

Side note: I disassebled my JC Higgins model 20 for the first time, and I can't for the life of me get it back together... help!

Kaybe · 09-29-2009, 12:51 AM

IMO, a pistol grip on a full stock for a shotgun really helps with the handling of the weapon. Pistol grip only, no stock, not so much. It is short, but requires some practice to hit anything firing from the hip all the time. It just depends on what you want to do with it and how you want to dress it up. Lights, ammo carriers, red dots and so on. Have fun with it, be wise with your money.

Lobo0311 · 09-30-2009, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrswanson1

Buy the basic 500, shoot some magnum buck shot through it, cuss at the bruise on your shoulder, then go to Midway.com and pick up a Knoxx recoil reducing stock, install it, and try shooting magnum buck shot through it again. Your shoulder will thank me.

Jim

^+10, I have a Knoxx stock on my Win. 1200, loooove it.

cremley · 10-01-2009, 01:36 PM

I got the $250 with the 18 and 28" barrel. It has worked excellent so far. No jams, no problems, and I can hit clays all day with the 28" with ease.

nathangdad · 10-01-2009, 07:17 PM

who say the extras are just not worth the price. However, if you really want the extras then go for it as a personal decision. Note: as with cars the extras are generally for the benefit of the owner and do not always translate into resale value on down the line.

Best wishes.

Crysalix · 10-02-2009, 03:30 AM

I dont know what t tell you...maybe not

Metronome · 10-02-2009, 11:27 PM

long story short, funds were siphoned off for a need instead of a want (isn't that always the case)...

...as a runner up option, I found out that Midwayusa.com has 18" barrels in 20 gauge, and I think my Wingmaster would look awful good with a snubbed barrel.

09-26-2009, 04:58 PM	#1
Metronome Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 951	Is the cost justified? So my purchase of a real shotgun is not far from becoming a reality, but here is one hurdle I am facing. I am favoring the Mossberg 500 series, and for now, all I want is a short barrel. I am really enamored with the Marinecote nickel version, especially on the 590A1 version with the added metal bits (not that it is a necessity but it sure looks cool!). Unfortunately, this one is going to be hard to get, but the real issue is the price. for the basic, 590A1 Marinecote, the price locally is running in the $500 range. Now if I just time it out, the local Big 5 stores will have the basic blued version with the 18.5" and 28" barrels for $250. So here I can have two barrels for about $250 less than the bells and whistles. Again, the same Big 5 will have a nickel Charles Daly defense style gun for $270 but then accessories are out the window and I am not that thrilled with the company and product. I'm not trying to make a super-tacticool anything, I just like the idea of the corrosion resistance, and extra strength on the little bits (being as I just rusted the heck out of my .30-06 and broke the plastic rear sight off on my most recent hunting trip). How do I convince myself that the extras are worth the double price? __________________ I take my coffee how I take my women: bitter and overbearing.

09-26-2009, 05:26 PM	#2
oldjarhead Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: MO Posts: 1,914	$500 for a $250 shotgun seems a no brainer. Go with the parkerized Mossberg 590 or equivilent 500. __________________ No war has ever been won by a politician!

09-26-2009, 05:49 PM	#3
rebel727 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Heidelberg, Mississippi Posts: 2,209	What oldjarhead said. It isn't worth it. __________________ North-1 South-0 HALFTIME!

09-26-2009, 05:52 PM	#4
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas. Posts: 17,213	The way I look at this is, it's best to get what you really want. If money is'nt an issue. The one you want loaded will be Heavy in weight...My plain Jane Mossberg Mavrick 88 has a great black or blued finish and no bells and whistles. I put a 5 round elastic cuff that carrys 5 rounds and with it fully loaded it's heavy. You'll love what ever you get, it's actually a Pleasure owning a short barreled shotgun...A.H __________________ IN GOD WE TRUST NRA MEMBER

09-27-2009, 04:35 PM	#8
Yogi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 766	If you want to save $, buy a coach gun. __________________ 1917 Remington 1929 Ex dragoon Hex Izzy 1935 Hex Tula 1943 Izzy Ex Sniper 1943 M38 1948 M44

09-26-2009, 06:24 PM	#6
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,912	Buy the lower priced one,and lots of ammo with the extra money.A gun ain't no good if you don't have lots of ammo. ,,,sam.

09-27-2009, 08:57 PM	#10
Lobo0311 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northeast Kansas Posts: 631	Teh fact that you're trying to convince yourself to spend the extra $$$ should tell you something aint right. Buy the blued or parkerized version and call it good, there really aint anything super special about the Marinecote finish. If I recall correctly it's the nickel looking finish right? You really want a finish that reflects light on a defensive firearm? __________________ If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?

09-27-2009, 09:05 PM	#11
ironhead7544 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 252	I have the 500 short barrel with ghost ring sights. Thats all I need in a shotgun.

09-28-2009, 01:20 AM	#12
Kaybe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northcentral Ohio Posts: 641	Buy the cheaper gun and get extra ammo, great advice. Something about a double barreled boom stick...... __________________ Some people are alive simply because it is illegal to kill them.

09-28-2009, 10:54 AM	#13
jrswanson1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,093	Buy the basic 500, shoot some magnum buck shot through it, cuss at the bruise on your shoulder, then go to Midway.com and pick up a Knoxx recoil reducing stock, install it, and try shooting magnum buck shot through it again. Your shoulder will thank me. Jim

09-28-2009, 11:52 AM	#14
Metronome Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 951	Got to handle the 500 and the 590, and that is definitely the platform I want. I know there is a lot of opposition to them, but has anyone tried the pistol grips from Pachmayr or Hogue? I also like the Mark 5 pistol grip stock from Choate, the spacer system is very appealing because I like a shorter length of pull, and I am not thrilled with the AR style stocks. Side note: I disassebled my JC Higgins model 20 for the first time, and I can't for the life of me get it back together... help! __________________ I take my coffee how I take my women: bitter and overbearing.

09-29-2009, 12:51 AM	#15
Kaybe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northcentral Ohio Posts: 641	IMO, a pistol grip on a full stock for a shotgun really helps with the handling of the weapon. Pistol grip only, no stock, not so much. It is short, but requires some practice to hit anything firing from the hip all the time. It just depends on what you want to do with it and how you want to dress it up. Lights, ammo carriers, red dots and so on. Have fun with it, be wise with your money. __________________ Some people are alive simply because it is illegal to kill them.

10-01-2009, 01:36 PM	#17
cremley Young Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southern New Mexico Posts: 2,655	I got the $250 with the 18 and 28" barrel. It has worked excellent so far. No jams, no problems, and I can hit clays all day with the 28" with ease. __________________ I wouldn't be so paranoid if everyone wasn't out to get me. NRA MEMBER

10-01-2009, 07:17 PM	#18
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,166	I am with those who say the extras are just not worth the price. However, if you really want the extras then go for it as a personal decision. Note: as with cars the extras are generally for the benefit of the owner and do not always translate into resale value on down the line. Best wishes.

10-02-2009, 03:30 AM	#19
Crysalix Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Northside Chicago Posts: 27	I dont know what t tell you...maybe not __________________ Haha,SNIPED YOUR HEAD RIGHT OFF!!

10-02-2009, 11:27 PM	#20
Metronome Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 951	long story short, funds were siphoned off for a need instead of a want (isn't that always the case)... ...as a runner up option, I found out that Midwayusa.com has 18" barrels in 20 gauge, and I think my Wingmaster would look awful good with a snubbed barrel. __________________ I take my coffee how I take my women: bitter and overbearing.