How much 7.62 X 39 ammo do you keep on hand? - Page 2

08-01-2004, 06:07 PM

10 boxes...not enough

NRAJOE · 08-01-2004, 06:14 PM

I burn that in half an hour....

trapfreek · 08-02-2004, 07:44 PM

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miv...tegory_Code=WA
This is why I usually have 1000 rounds.

jerry · 08-02-2004, 08:59 PM

That's a smoki'n deal TF :right:

NRAJOE · 08-02-2004, 10:09 PM

I get 1,000 rds of Wolf FMJ for $74.99 at Cabela's in Dundee....$14.00 cheaper than that "deal"....

jerry · 08-03-2004, 05:41 AM

right, not bad Joe.

however, Cabela's master catalog fall 2004 edition1 pg 596,
wolf 7.62x39 is running $84.89 per 1000. Still a 5 spot less.

looks like a shipping battle from there.

I'm guessing $74.99 is the in store price.

At any rate, it's all good.

alan c. · 08-03-2004, 10:15 AM

2,000 rds. of steel core. 100rds. of soft point and a 100 rds. of specialty ammo. All on strippers.

alan c. · 08-03-2004, 10:16 AM

Is steel core still available?

Oxford · 08-03-2004, 10:53 AM

Zero rounds of 7.62x39 are stored in my shell box...because I don't have a gun of that caliber...but don't ask me how many rounds of 30-06 and .22 LR I have. Just say close to enough and that'll cover my supply.

NRAJOE · 08-03-2004, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alan c.

Is steel core still available?

Nope...banned for import...brings a few bucks when it comes up for sale on websites and auction sights! Wish I had some! :insane:

TULAver · 08-03-2004, 05:06 PM

Ditto on that NRAJoe, in the SHTF situation, steel core 7.62x39 would be an invaluable commodity. Wish I had me some too. Did anyone ever make steel core 7.62 NATO ammo? I'd love to see the potential there if so...

BattleRifleG3 · 08-03-2004, 10:42 PM

Note that not all steel core 7.62x39mm is armor piercing. Neither is the 5.56 NATO SS109. The steel core does give better penetration over just lead, but is a far cry from AP. Its main advantage is to provide a longer bullet of the same weight as a shorter one made of lead only, since steel is less dense than lead. They are affected by the steel core ban nonetheless. 30-06 and SS109 are exempt. There are some special AP 7.62x39mm rounds, but they will cost quite a bit for very small quantities.

As far as 7.62 NATO goes, it's specifically banned. Whether or not it is legal to load for your own use is sketchy but doubtful. But it is perfectly feasible using bullets intended for 30-06. I used to see more of them, not much anymore.

TULAver · 08-04-2004, 01:07 AM

Good information to have G3, thanks. I would assume that the longer bullet afforded by the less dense steel core would have better flight stability, possibly giving the round a flatter trajectory/providing slightly more energy at longer ranges, and maybe even more consistent accuracy given a good rifle. Are any of these true?

BattleRifleG3 · 08-04-2004, 01:12 AM

Ideally that is correct, certainly true of the SS109 used in the AR-15/M16. I know little about the Chinese steel cored but would expect similar improvements as you described.

Snakebite · 08-04-2004, 07:47 PM

I once had some "armour piercing" rounds in .25 acp. No kidding. I broke them down and it looked like a hardened roller from a roller bearing in the middle of the bullet. Those were a joke! Heck, a .25 acp is a joke. A car door would be a challenge for those.

TULAver · 08-04-2004, 07:59 PM

Wow, talk about absurd. My mother was an ER nurse for many years, and I got to hear many gunshot wound stories. Almost all were handgun wounds, occasionally a shotgun wound, but she always told me that .22lr and .25ACP were by far the most common.

She joked that most commonly, people would come in with .25ACP wounds to the upper chest, and that most of the time the wounds were so shallow that the bullets were visible. Sometimes people would die from the .22lr wounds, but most patients with .25 wounds were examined, stitched, questioned by police, and then released within a couple of hours of arrival.

I suppose .25ACP is potentially lethal, but I'd think you'd have to be a real surgeoun with a gun to make any real use of it.

Armour piercing hunh? Wonders never cease. Wonder if they make incendiary .22lr rounds.

::Edit::
On the other hand, the armour piercing .25 would be well suited to taking out APCs full of toy soldiers. Maybe that's what they're for, scaled down toy soldier .50BMGs

Snakebite · 08-05-2004, 03:52 PM

See, the .25 DOES have a use!

The toy soldiers might win the battle though....

TULAver · 08-05-2004, 09:59 PM

In defense of the round though, I will say it's really good for killing medium sized rats and any other varmints stupid enough to let you get within pistol range.

alan c. · 08-14-2004, 11:13 AM

I am aware that steel core is banned for import. Just curious if it is still available at the gun shows? At one point in time you could purchase the stuff for 8 cents a round.
The Norinco stuff is quite capable of penetrating 1/4 inch plate steel.
You guys that have it don't waste it on paper targets.

NRAJOE · 08-14-2004, 03:58 PM

Just saw some today at the show...didn't pay attention to the price though.

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08-01-2004, 06:14 PM	#22
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,014 Trader Rating: (0)	I burn that in half an hour.... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

08-02-2004, 07:44 PM	#23
trapfreek Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 491 Trader Rating: (0)	http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miv...tegory_Code=WA This is why I usually have 1000 rounds. __________________ "Great minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about other people."

08-02-2004, 08:59 PM	#24
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,760 Trader Rating: (0)	That's a smoki'n deal TF :right: __________________

08-02-2004, 10:09 PM	#25
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,014 Trader Rating: (0)	I get 1,000 rds of Wolf FMJ for $74.99 at Cabela's in Dundee....$14.00 cheaper than that "deal".... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

08-01-2004, 06:07 PM	#21
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	10 boxes...not enough

08-03-2004, 05:41 AM	#26
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,760 Trader Rating: (0)	right, not bad Joe. however, Cabela's master catalog fall 2004 edition1 pg 596, wolf 7.62x39 is running $84.89 per 1000. Still a 5 spot less. looks like a shipping battle from there. I'm guessing $74.99 is the in store price. At any rate, it's all good. __________________

08-03-2004, 10:15 AM	#27
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,757 Trader Rating: (0)	2,000 rds. of steel core. 100rds. of soft point and a 100 rds. of specialty ammo. All on strippers. Last edited by alan c.; 08-03-2004 at 10:18 AM.

08-03-2004, 10:16 AM	#28
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,757 Trader Rating: (0)	Is steel core still available?

08-03-2004, 10:53 AM	#29
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 12,981 Trader Rating: (0)	Zero rounds of 7.62x39 are stored in my shell box...because I don't have a gun of that caliber...but don't ask me how many rounds of 30-06 and .22 LR I have. Just say close to enough and that'll cover my supply. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

08-03-2004, 05:06 PM	#31
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372 Trader Rating: (0)	Ditto on that NRAJoe, in the SHTF situation, steel core 7.62x39 would be an invaluable commodity. Wish I had me some too. Did anyone ever make steel core 7.62 NATO ammo? I'd love to see the potential there if so...

08-03-2004, 10:42 PM	#32
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	Note that not all steel core 7.62x39mm is armor piercing. Neither is the 5.56 NATO SS109. The steel core does give better penetration over just lead, but is a far cry from AP. Its main advantage is to provide a longer bullet of the same weight as a shorter one made of lead only, since steel is less dense than lead. They are affected by the steel core ban nonetheless. 30-06 and SS109 are exempt. There are some special AP 7.62x39mm rounds, but they will cost quite a bit for very small quantities. As far as 7.62 NATO goes, it's specifically banned. Whether or not it is legal to load for your own use is sketchy but doubtful. But it is perfectly feasible using bullets intended for 30-06. I used to see more of them, not much anymore. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-04-2004, 01:07 AM	#33
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372 Trader Rating: (0)	Good information to have G3, thanks. I would assume that the longer bullet afforded by the less dense steel core would have better flight stability, possibly giving the round a flatter trajectory/providing slightly more energy at longer ranges, and maybe even more consistent accuracy given a good rifle. Are any of these true?

08-04-2004, 01:12 AM	#34
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	Ideally that is correct, certainly true of the SS109 used in the AR-15/M16. I know little about the Chinese steel cored but would expect similar improvements as you described. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

08-04-2004, 07:47 PM	#35
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,837 Trader Rating: (0)	I once had some "armour piercing" rounds in .25 acp. No kidding. I broke them down and it looked like a hardened roller from a roller bearing in the middle of the bullet. Those were a joke! Heck, a .25 acp is a joke. A car door would be a challenge for those.

08-04-2004, 07:59 PM	#36
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372 Trader Rating: (0)	Wow, talk about absurd. My mother was an ER nurse for many years, and I got to hear many gunshot wound stories. Almost all were handgun wounds, occasionally a shotgun wound, but she always told me that .22lr and .25ACP were by far the most common. She joked that most commonly, people would come in with .25ACP wounds to the upper chest, and that most of the time the wounds were so shallow that the bullets were visible. Sometimes people would die from the .22lr wounds, but most patients with .25 wounds were examined, stitched, questioned by police, and then released within a couple of hours of arrival. I suppose .25ACP is potentially lethal, but I'd think you'd have to be a real surgeoun with a gun to make any real use of it. Armour piercing hunh? Wonders never cease. Wonder if they make incendiary .22lr rounds. ::Edit:: On the other hand, the armour piercing .25 would be well suited to taking out APCs full of toy soldiers. Maybe that's what they're for, scaled down toy soldier .50BMGs __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination. Last edited by TULAver; 08-04-2004 at 08:01 PM.

08-05-2004, 03:52 PM	#37
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,837 Trader Rating: (0)	See, the .25 DOES have a use! The toy soldiers might win the battle though....

08-05-2004, 09:59 PM	#38
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372 Trader Rating: (0)	In defense of the round though, I will say it's really good for killing medium sized rats and any other varmints stupid enough to let you get within pistol range. __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

08-14-2004, 11:13 AM	#39
alan c. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pasadena,Tejas - also known as Texas Posts: 3,757 Trader Rating: (0)	I am aware that steel core is banned for import. Just curious if it is still available at the gun shows? At one point in time you could purchase the stuff for 8 cents a round. The Norinco stuff is quite capable of penetrating 1/4 inch plate steel. You guys that have it don't waste it on paper targets. Last edited by alan c.; 08-14-2004 at 11:15 AM.

08-14-2004, 03:58 PM	#40
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,014 Trader Rating: (0)	Just saw some today at the show...didn't pay attention to the price though. __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany