Slam Fire - Page 3

SwedeSteve · 07-07-2008, 01:21 PM

I pu the Murray kit in my chicom.

Murray's Gunsmithing www.murraysguns.com deals with the slamfire problem. They sell a firing pin with return spring to be installed in an altered bolt. This effectively returns it to the original configuration. There is no altering the bolt. At least for a Russian or Chinese that I know of.

marion- I'd go for it !!

JhankG · 07-07-2008, 02:56 PM

What other guns sometimes have this problem? Mosins? AKs?

SwedeSteve · 07-07-2008, 03:29 PM

M60 MG for one !!

Laufer · 07-07-2008, 11:08 PM

Be aware that an Army veteran just went to prison in MN because his AR-15 malfunctioned and appeared to be a machine gun, and the BATFE railroaded the guy in the trial. They claimed that he altered the gun's mechanisms and it is a long story. He loaned the gun to somebody else who had it when it appeared to be an automatic weapon.

The BATFE is way out of control.
You might look up the story. The guy's sentence is over two years.

marion57 · 07-07-2008, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

I pu the Murray kit in my chicom.

Murray's Gunsmithing www.murraysguns.com deals with the slamfire problem. They sell a firing pin with return spring to be installed in an altered bolt. This effectively returns it to the original configuration. There is no altering the bolt. At least for a Russian or Chinese that I know of.

marion- I'd go for it !!

Yeah that turned out to be my opinion too Swede .. Going to meet him in the morning around 10:30 am and if every thing is as discribed offered him 400 and he said ok .. one stock like I said is a folding stock and the other is a Dragnov?? at least its the cut out stock but he has the original stock.
one rifle has norinco stamped on it and the other doesnt ..Well at any rate will let y'all know tomorow what I got .. Now the wait !! hehe

Pope130 · 07-07-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

I pu the Murray kit in my chicom.
There is no altering the bolt. At least for a Russian or Chinese that I know of.

From the description on Murray's website (bearing in mind I haven't done this mod), the firing pin hole in the bolt is countersunk drilled to provide a shoulder for the new spring to rest on. Without this the spring would compress on the taper and bind the firing pin.

Robert

SwedeSteve · 07-08-2008, 05:10 AM

marion- I wait on pins and needles, LOL !!

Pope130- Nope, that is an additional mod they offer if you mail in your bolt. It just allows crud to work out the FP hole. The original mod is drop in. If you are comfortable with removing your FP from the bolt, then mailing in your bolt is unecessary.

Pope130 · 07-08-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SwedeSteve

marion- I wait on pins and needles, LOL !!

Pope130- Nope, that is an additional mod they offer if you mail in your bolt. It just allows crud to work out the FP hole. The original mod is drop in. If you are comfortable with removing your FP from the bolt, then mailing in your bolt is unecessary.

Good to know. My brother has an SKS-D that has never had a slam fire, and I'd like to keep it that way.

Thanks

marion57 · 07-08-2008, 09:19 PM

Murray kit is around 37 bucks and if you shipped the bolt to them they will put it in for you and pay the shipping back to you what a Deal
47 bucks shipped and ready

SwedeSteve · 07-08-2008, 10:50 PM

An added bonus is that you can shoot "soft primer" ammo such as US made more safely.

GlockMeister · 07-08-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Laufer

Be aware that an Army veteran just went to prison in MN because his AR-15 malfunctioned and appeared to be a machine gun, and the BATFE railroaded the guy in the trial. They claimed that he altered the gun's mechanisms and it is a long story. He loaned the gun to somebody else who had it when it appeared to be an automatic weapon.

The BATFE is way out of control.
You might look up the story. The guy's sentence is over two years.

Does this make the 2nd person this happened to or are you thinking of the National Guard instructor who is in/from Wisconsin rather than Minnesota?

His happened to be a Olympic AR-15 that had a part break and start to shoot full auto...

SwedeSteve · 07-09-2008, 12:10 AM

Same story I would believe.

marion57 · 07-09-2008, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Does this make the 2nd person this happened to or are you thinking of the National Guard instructor who is in/from Wisconsin rather than Minnesota?

His happened to be a Olympic AR-15 that had a part break and start to shoot full auto...

Same guy has only been the one ! I think someones Azz should be in a sling over that one for violating his civil rights

Laufer · 07-09-2008, 01:44 AM

GlockMeister:

'Roger' that. I read on another gun site that he was in/from Wisconsin.
And a person with ATF stated that firing both barrels of a shotgun at once would be considered automatic, but that is hard for me to believe.

Anyway, don't take any chances near public roads etc. Even if out of sight and somebody hears what might sound like a machine gun, you could be in real trouble, maybe even down south.
But I'm fairly new to anything except a .22, despite being middle-aged.

MN 44, Mini 14, 30, SKS (and ancient Savage .22).

SwedeSteve · 07-09-2008, 02:30 AM

Spin tactics are used by everyone from politicians to school boards. In this day and age, and when everyone is looking for a reason to take our guns, or limit the types we own, I feel compelled to ensure I am doing everything I can do to ensure I am not the next test case in the courts !!! Not to mention it is just a common sense fix to return the design to its original.

Pope130 · 07-09-2008, 10:40 AM

Well, this discussion finally got me off the dime. I've ordered the firing pin kit from Murray's.

Thanks!

gandog56 · 07-09-2008, 11:16 AM

Well, I'll do it if I ever get a slam fire. I think the instances of it happening are kind of rare. And I usually don't fire the SKS often enough between cleanings where I think it could be likely.

Laufer · 07-12-2008, 01:00 AM

Off the topic, but each time I've asked local deputies about plinking near a country road, but out of view above a deep river in a thick line of trees, they always say "100 yards or more from a road".
In some cases hearing slam fire from one or two miles would sound like a machine gun, would it not?

The minimum 100-yard interval also applies to state parks, if allowed.

David · 07-12-2008, 01:05 PM

I shot a hole in the tin roof of a gun range when I let the bolt carrier go. Does that count as a slam fire?

gandog56 · 07-12-2008, 01:32 PM

Since the bolt carrier slammed into the round and fired it, I would say yes.

07-07-2008, 01:21 PM	#41
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,262 Images: 1	I pu the Murray kit in my chicom. Murray's Gunsmithing www.murraysguns.com *deals with the slamfire problem. They sell a firing pin with return spring to be installed in an altered* bolt. This effectively returns it to the original configuration.** There is no altering the bolt. At least for a Russian or Chinese that I know of. marion- I'd go for it !! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-07-2008, 03:29 PM	#43
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,262 Images: 1	M60 MG for one !! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-08-2008, 05:10 AM	#47
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,262 Images: 1	marion- I wait on pins and needles, LOL !! Pope130- Nope, that is an additional mod they offer if you mail in your bolt. It just allows crud to work out the FP hole. The original mod is drop in. If you are comfortable with removing your FP from the bolt, then mailing in your bolt is unecessary. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-08-2008, 09:19 PM	#49
marion57 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,863	Murray kit is around 37 bucks and if you shipped the bolt to them they will put it in for you and pay the shipping back to you what a Deal 47 bucks shipped and ready __________________ You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers!(Charlton Heston)

07-08-2008, 10:50 PM	#50
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,262 Images: 1	An added bonus is that you can shoot "soft primer" ammo such as US made more safely. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-07-2008, 02:56 PM	#42
JhankG Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 26	What other guns sometimes have this problem? Mosins? AKs?

07-07-2008, 11:08 PM	#44
Laufer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Down south. Posts: 121	Be aware that an Army veteran just went to prison in MN because his AR-15 malfunctioned and appeared to be a machine gun, and the BATFE railroaded the guy in the trial. They claimed that he altered the gun's mechanisms and it is a long story. He loaned the gun to somebody else who had it when it appeared to be an automatic weapon. The BATFE is way out of control. You might look up the story. The guy's sentence is over two years.

07-09-2008, 12:10 AM	#52
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,262 Images: 1	Same story I would believe. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-09-2008, 01:44 AM	#54
Laufer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Down south. Posts: 121	GlockMeister: 'Roger' that. I read on another gun site that he was in/from Wisconsin. And a person with ATF stated that firing both barrels of a shotgun at once would be considered automatic, but that is hard for me to believe. Anyway, don't take any chances near public roads etc. Even if out of sight and somebody hears what might sound like a machine gun, you could be in real trouble, maybe even down south. But I'm fairly new to anything except a .22, despite being middle-aged. MN 44, Mini 14, 30, SKS (and ancient Savage .22).

07-09-2008, 02:30 AM	#55
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,262 Images: 1	Spin tactics are used by everyone from politicians to school boards. In this day and age, and when everyone is looking for a reason to take our guns, or limit the types we own, I feel compelled to ensure I am doing everything I can do to ensure I am not the next test case in the courts !!! Not to mention it is just a common sense fix to return the design to its original. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-09-2008, 10:40 AM	#56
Pope130 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 117	Well, this discussion finally got me off the dime. I've ordered the firing pin kit from Murray's. Thanks!

07-09-2008, 11:16 AM	#57
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 4,193	Well, I'll do it if I ever get a slam fire. I think the instances of it happening are kind of rare. And I usually don't fire the SKS often enough between cleanings where I think it could be likely.

07-12-2008, 01:00 AM	#58
Laufer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Down south. Posts: 121	Off the topic, but each time I've asked local deputies about plinking near a country road, but out of view above a deep river in a thick line of trees, they always say "100 yards or more from a road". In some cases hearing slam fire from one or two miles would sound like a machine gun, would it not? The minimum 100-yard interval also applies to state parks, if allowed.

07-12-2008, 01:05 PM	#59
David Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: central texas Posts: 51	I shot a hole in the tin roof of a gun range when I let the bolt carrier go. Does that count as a slam fire?

07-12-2008, 01:32 PM	#60
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 4,193	Since the bolt carrier slammed into the round and fired it, I would say yes.