Drunk and high...turkey hunter shoots young son

killer · 05-13-2008, 07:42 AM

KSTP.com - 911 transcripts released in fatal Belle Plaine hunting accident

From the numbers given this guy had about 5 or 6 beers in him and a buzz from from his herb pipe. Still haven't heard or read if he walked up on the kid or vice versa. "Over 100 pellets in his chest."

andrew cochran · 05-13-2008, 09:28 AM

Stupidity

cold queso · 05-13-2008, 10:15 AM

It gets better. He saw turkeys from the road - and trespassed. Told his son to wait for him at the edge of the field. Son walked up behind him in high grass, he saw his head and thought it was a turkey fanning.

Also, he was drawn for a license but chose not to buy one.

AKHunter · 05-13-2008, 11:26 AM

Wow, how tragic for the family. So careless, so irresponsible.

SwedeSteve · 05-13-2008, 11:37 AM

When reading these articles, I am always dumbfounded. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out what logic was used to arrive at this situation! Poor child, poor Father.

Idaho Dave · 05-13-2008, 12:19 PM

though I cannot even imagine the senario that would lead to such an awful accident I feel really bad for the family, the boy and even the guy. That must have been the most awful thing to have happen to someone, I am sure he cant even close his eyes with out that vision haunting him. His stupidity aside I cant imagine the pain he will have to live with. sadly, not only was he tresspassing but accourding to charge #4 the guy didnt even have a license to hunt turkeys and by his own admission he shot at a glimps of a shape in tall grass that he didnt even identify. I dont know how many times I have told people that I don't care what they do after the hunt once the guns are safely away, but before and during a hunt is not the time to party. certainly, had he been a serious, ethical hunter, with a clear mind, this would have ended with him pointing out the turkeys to his boy from the window of the truck before driving off to get a license and permission from the land owner. reminds me of a man in utah a few years ago that took his very young son deer hunting and left him in the car sleeping while he went out looking for deer. sometime later he returned and the boy had woke up and wandered off, still in his jammies. they found him dead from exposure a few days later. If any good can come such cases it should be a lesson/reminder to all of us to not get complacent or foolish in our practices. one stupid move can really destroy a life forever.

Lng Rng · 05-13-2008, 02:35 PM

This happened about 15 miles from where I turkey hunt, and the kid went to the same schools as my cousin, and in the same town I turkey hunt out of. I don't understand why you would shoot at a shape...it just doesn't make sense. It could have been anything, a deer, a hen turkey. From what I understood,he told his kid to stay back, and he was going to try and get the turkey.

As for him not having a license, it sounded like he had financial trouble. Thats what I heard from a freind of a freind...might not be a reliable source, but it would make sense. It is our state's first turkey hunting death since season's offically opened on them, and hopefully the last.

webs · 05-13-2008, 04:31 PM

Man,what a shame.It is hard to imagine the pain and grief that this family is going through and will continue to go through for the rest of their lives.Can't help but feel bad for all of them.Prayers have been sent.

Burke · 06-10-2008, 10:30 PM

As a father, stories like this just rip my heart out..
That father deserves his guilt and pain, every little bit...I say fry him.

God Bless that child..

SoDakHunter · 06-10-2008, 11:01 PM

Its just sickening that this can happen to such an innocent child. There is a time and place to get drunk and high, and that is after all the guns have been put away and you are just hanging out after the hunt or what have you. I can't believe the pure stupidity that some ppl exhibit on a regular basis. I would choke this guy with my bare hands.... forget how bad he feels. He put this all on himself. I'm not a godly person but please pray or at least keep the family in your thoughts.

riverrat · 06-12-2008, 08:40 PM

ACfixer · 06-13-2008, 03:11 PM

An absolute shame, a disgrace. The man chose to break the law, break the man-code, and now he has broken the lives of many people. Beer was invented for embellishing lies after you come back to camp and the guns are back in the rack. Shame on him.

forestgleaner · 06-22-2008, 03:52 PM

Ok, lets not forget he was smokeing something in his herb pipe. This man was breaking so many laws, it is a shame he wasn't punished in a way that would have taught his son something good. Weed builds up in the body, the more ya smoke, the slower your brain works, it is a fact. If hardship is the reason for haveing to tresspass and hunt illegally, I could say ok to that, but he had money for weed, and for beer, the hardship would have been less so, if he had spent that money on a license, and food.
It sounds like a man who didn't care about anything, ended up killing his kid. I feel very sorry for the kid, though not for the father. He should face the maximum penalties, and the be made sterile so he can't pass on those gynes.
Besides who ever goes out turkey hunting when they can't feed thier family, go jack light a deer, alot more usable meat, one shot, and the same amount of chance at getting caught. That said, I am totally against poaching, but not as much as I am against children straveing.

LiveToShoot · 06-22-2008, 04:04 PM

Nasty accident, with some dangerous pre-activities when firearms are going to be involved.

I feel really sorry for this man (for his very bad choices) and his family (for their loss), and can hardly imagine what they are all going through right now...caused by some very bad choices.

sbowers5 · 06-22-2008, 05:29 PM

I guess i'm hard gentlemen, but i feel sorry for the family and their grief, but as far as the man i have not one shread sympahty in the least, and I personnaly hope they give him the max the law allows. I no time for this type of individual who would committe this type of crime and on a child at that! Just my opinion!
steve

mym1a · 06-22-2008, 06:02 PM

if your going to pouch you should be sober?

LefthandShooter · 06-22-2008, 06:46 PM

Anti hunting people will have a field day with this one.

Burningtree_83 · 07-08-2008, 12:43 AM

Guns/ hunting and alcohol/drugs are a real bad mix, stupidity doesn't make it any better either. He should have known better!

meatloaf · 07-25-2008, 02:31 AM

Make sure you hang him? What about the other 2 children in the picture? The greif he has alone is more punishment then anything the law can dish out. If you hang him and I mean persicute to the fullest extent of the law, his family will be punished more than he will be. It's just a sad situation anyway you look at it.

samuel · 07-25-2008, 05:50 AM

I feel very sad about this but pass no judgement,as I realise that even with no drugs or alcohol,this could in an adrenalin high,happen to anyone,including me.It is terrible,but I look upon it as a warning to be even more cautious and safety minded. sam.

05-13-2008, 07:42 AM	#1
killer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In the rat race Posts: 907 Trader Rating: (0)	Drunk and high...turkey hunter shoots young son KSTP.com - 911 transcripts released in fatal Belle Plaine hunting accident From the numbers given this guy had about 5 or 6 beers in him and a buzz from from his herb pipe. Still haven't heard or read if he walked up on the kid or vice versa. "Over 100 pellets in his chest." __________________ "Yeee Hawww...I'm a cowboy on an iron horse." Killer's cabin: http://buckmountainchateau.com/

05-13-2008, 09:28 AM	#2
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 1,904 Trader Rating: (1)	Stupidity __________________ If you don't have anything good to say... Don't say it!

05-13-2008, 11:37 AM	#5
SwedeSteve Grumpy Old Fart Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: AnchorTown, Alaska Posts: 9,100 Trader Rating: (0)	When reading these articles, I am always dumbfounded. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out what logic was used to arrive at this situation! Poor child, poor Father. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

05-13-2008, 12:19 PM	#6
Idaho Dave Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 493 Trader Rating: (0)	though I cannot even imagine the senario that would lead to such an awful accident I feel really bad for the family, the boy and even the guy. That must have been the most awful thing to have happen to someone, I am sure he cant even close his eyes with out that vision haunting him. His stupidity aside I cant imagine the pain he will have to live with. sadly, not only was he tresspassing but accourding to charge #4 the guy didnt even have a license to hunt turkeys and by his own admission he shot at a glimps of a shape in tall grass that he didnt even identify. I dont know how many times I have told people that I don't care what they do after the hunt once the guns are safely away, but before and during a hunt is not the time to party. certainly, had he been a serious, ethical hunter, with a clear mind, this would have ended with him pointing out the turkeys to his boy from the window of the truck before driving off to get a license and permission from the land owner. reminds me of a man in utah a few years ago that took his very young son deer hunting and left him in the car sleeping while he went out looking for deer. sometime later he returned and the boy had woke up and wandered off, still in his jammies. they found him dead from exposure a few days later. If any good can come such cases it should be a lesson/reminder to all of us to not get complacent or foolish in our practices. one stupid move can really destroy a life forever. __________________ Living the life

06-10-2008, 10:30 PM	#9
Burke Ahh..Cordite. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gun City, Arizona Posts: 485 Trader Rating: (0)	As a father, stories like this just rip my heart out.. That father deserves his guilt and pain, every little bit...I say fry him. God Bless that child.. __________________ As long as I have a gun in my hand..I control my own destiny.

05-13-2008, 10:15 AM	#3
cold queso Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 89 Trader Rating: (0)	It gets better. He saw turkeys from the road - and trespassed. Told his son to wait for him at the edge of the field. Son walked up behind him in high grass, he saw his head and thought it was a turkey fanning. Also, he was drawn for a license but chose not to buy one.

05-13-2008, 11:26 AM	#4
AKHunter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 904 Trader Rating: (0)	Wow, how tragic for the family. So careless, so irresponsible.

05-13-2008, 02:35 PM	#7
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 944 Trader Rating: (0)	This happened about 15 miles from where I turkey hunt, and the kid went to the same schools as my cousin, and in the same town I turkey hunt out of. I don't understand why you would shoot at a shape...it just doesn't make sense. It could have been anything, a deer, a hen turkey. From what I understood,he told his kid to stay back, and he was going to try and get the turkey. As for him not having a license, it sounded like he had financial trouble. Thats what I heard from a freind of a freind...might not be a reliable source, but it would make sense. It is our state's first turkey hunting death since season's offically opened on them, and hopefully the last.

05-13-2008, 04:31 PM	#8
webs Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 243 Trader Rating: (0)	Man,what a shame.It is hard to imagine the pain and grief that this family is going through and will continue to go through for the rest of their lives.Can't help but feel bad for all of them.Prayers have been sent.

06-10-2008, 11:01 PM	#10
SoDakHunter Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 353 Trader Rating: (0)	Its just sickening that this can happen to such an innocent child. There is a time and place to get drunk and high, and that is after all the guns have been put away and you are just hanging out after the hunt or what have you. I can't believe the pure stupidity that some ppl exhibit on a regular basis. I would choke this guy with my bare hands.... forget how bad he feels. He put this all on himself. I'm not a godly person but please pray or at least keep the family in your thoughts.

06-12-2008, 08:40 PM	#11
riverrat Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: central tx Posts: 83 Trader Rating: (0)	^+1

06-13-2008, 03:11 PM	#12
ACfixer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Turning base to final -KAPV- Posts: 246 Trader Rating: (0)	An absolute shame, a disgrace. The man chose to break the law, break the man-code, and now he has broken the lives of many people. Beer was invented for embellishing lies after you come back to camp and the guns are back in the rack. Shame on him.

06-22-2008, 03:52 PM	#13
forestgleaner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 162 Trader Rating: (0)	Ok, lets not forget he was smokeing something in his herb pipe. This man was breaking so many laws, it is a shame he wasn't punished in a way that would have taught his son something good. Weed builds up in the body, the more ya smoke, the slower your brain works, it is a fact. If hardship is the reason for haveing to tresspass and hunt illegally, I could say ok to that, but he had money for weed, and for beer, the hardship would have been less so, if he had spent that money on a license, and food. It sounds like a man who didn't care about anything, ended up killing his kid. I feel very sorry for the kid, though not for the father. He should face the maximum penalties, and the be made sterile so he can't pass on those gynes. Besides who ever goes out turkey hunting when they can't feed thier family, go jack light a deer, alot more usable meat, one shot, and the same amount of chance at getting caught. That said, I am totally against poaching, but not as much as I am against children straveing.

06-22-2008, 04:04 PM	#14
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 1,776 Trader Rating: (0)	Nasty accident, with some dangerous pre-activities when firearms are going to be involved. I feel really sorry for this man (for his very bad choices) and his family (for their loss), and can hardly imagine what they are all going through right now...caused by some very bad choices. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 06-22-2008 at 07:23 PM.

06-22-2008, 05:29 PM	#15
sbowers5 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: sawyer, ok Posts: 511 Trader Rating: (0)	I guess i'm hard gentlemen, but i feel sorry for the family and their grief, but as far as the man i have not one shread sympahty in the least, and I personnaly hope they give him the max the law allows. I no time for this type of individual who would committe this type of crime and on a child at that! Just my opinion! steve __________________ For those who never fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know.

06-22-2008, 06:02 PM	#16
mym1a Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,312 Trader Rating: (0)	if your going to pouch you should be sober?

06-22-2008, 06:46 PM	#17
LefthandShooter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In A House in NE Ohio! Posts: 1,180 Trader Rating: (0)	Anti hunting people will have a field day with this one. __________________ This Space For Rent!

07-08-2008, 12:43 AM	#18
Burningtree_83 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Washington State Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0)	Guns/ hunting and alcohol/drugs are a real bad mix, stupidity doesn't make it any better either. He should have known better!

07-25-2008, 02:31 AM	#19
meatloaf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lakewood CO Posts: 863 Trader Rating: (0)	Make sure you hang him? What about the other 2 children in the picture? The greif he has alone is more punishment then anything the law can dish out. If you hang him and I mean persicute to the fullest extent of the law, his family will be punished more than he will be. It's just a sad situation anyway you look at it.

07-25-2008, 05:50 AM	#20
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,050 Trader Rating: (0)	I feel very sad about this but pass no judgement,as I realise that even with no drugs or alcohol,this could in an adrenalin high,happen to anyone,including me.It is terrible,but I look upon it as a warning to be even more cautious and safety minded. sam.