M&P 9mm Pro Series - Page 2

racerx · 07-13-2008, 04:33 PM

With reguards to the safety issue on the m&p or Glock or any model handgun that doesn't a have an external -manual safety my thoughts were this. In a life-threatening moment....meaning...seconds if not milli-seconds I questioned my ability to disengage it fast enough in that "critical" moment. Worse yet...perhaps the safety was " forgottenly" NOT engaged and when that moment of crisis arisise's one would accidently engage the safety....and of course 'critical-mistake'....with catastrophic concequences !! I opted to go the safety-less route. Then my concern focused to the type of holster for carry..as so that there would be NO-WAY for the holstering of the weapon in any way that it could possibly trip the built-in trigger safety allowing the weapon to discharge and blow a round down the length of your leg, thigh or worse your manly-ness depending apon where you were carrying. The only option there would be not to have a round in the chamber...and...that's not really a timely option in a possible self-deffence situation that would mean raking-the slide to chamber a round into it.....much worse than disengaging a safety!!! As far as children...I have none that live in my home so that is not an issue for myself but of course for those that do...completly locking the weapon be it ..in a safe or lockable gun cabinet..or the cable-lock systems they have are of course your best and expected practice.....however this renders your weapon useless in a home invasion situation. Learning to keep it loaded and in your night-stand barring the fact that your kids wouldn't enter your room while sleeping is really about all you can do other than having it under your pillow and hope that you don't have a bad dream where you would somehow shift and move your head, body or hands around only to wind up killing the person sleeping next to you or yourself. But again I don't have children in my home so...my nightstand holds it right where I need it..18 inches away..fully loaded and ready to go !! I know that many people have strong opinions about this issue, mines just one of them. I'm interested in anybody elses opinion on this so as that any better ideas are alway's welcomed and may be able to help friends or other family members that may have the same worries. Thanks everybody....good-luck and happy-shooting. Still having a blast with my m&P 9....no pun intended !! 3,000 plus rounds....still going strong and not ONE SINGLE PROBLEM !!! NO FAILURES OF ANY KIND!!! AWESOME GUN !!!! Racer-X

Moss500Bantam · 07-13-2008, 04:49 PM

You sure do talk alot. LOL

racerx · 07-13-2008, 07:26 PM

Moss, yeh ...I guess Iv'e been told that before

...and it looks like your a "man of few words".....I'ts all good....I'll tone it down.

take'er easy. Peace, out

Racer-X Have you looked into any aftermarket grips that might give you the 1911 feel that your accustomed to ? Just a thought.

Bravo · 07-13-2008, 07:41 PM

I think Moss was giving a compliment. No need to tone it down

racerx · 07-13-2008, 08:02 PM

Thanks Bravo....but Moss is right...I do sometime's get carried away. However I will continue to read and write posts as thier interests co-inside with mine. I could have suggested that Moss tie a yo-yo to the trigger guard and "work the yo-yo' with his thumb between' shots. Just kiddin' Moss. Again...all in the name of fun!

Moss500Bantam · 07-13-2008, 09:01 PM

It's all good. I just get frustrated becaused ADD only allows me to read a few lines at a time. LOL/ Now where's that dad burned yo yo?

racerx · 07-15-2008, 07:47 PM

Moss.....never under estimate the thought that....." you may be right" !! Bravo, Ive been using Hoppe's cleaning lube on the M&P....then 'Remi-oil" too lube afterwards. I've read posts where they say that ---some oils can ruin the plastic parts....frame, trigger, anything ....with oil ? is this true...? I allway's wipe off and wipe down any excess oil , run off, after the cleaning and lube process! Just wondering if there is a better or safer product...as to not ruin the best sidearm I've ever bought !! Thanx for any thoughts or suggestions. " Worry is like a rocking-chair.......it gives you something to do....but does'nt get you anywhere".....Racer-X........ 'you could be right'!!!

racerx · 07-15-2008, 09:57 PM

Hello Everybody,... I would like to thank all.. who's contributions to the forum's...friendly..and considerate reply's are ....within...and...reguardless of....how many "gun's owned'.....type of fire-arm prefernce...etc... are being polite and ..most of importance..." concerned" for our felllow..brothers and sisters....mothers and fathers with reguard to the de-fence of our homes....LIVES... or just plain old "lawnmower" sittin' in the shack !! I'm not busting on 'ANYBODY'.... I"M a newbie when it comes to typing or ---shall I say-- speaking my peace to the world ". !!! It would take toooo long to describe a ' violent situation " that I was taken hostage too... what's more important is 'one's perspective on ... self-defence"..!! I am, as most should be about .."immenent-danger". After "tapping-mac" for a few ---$40.00 dollars....went back...proceeded to sit-in my car and...get ready to leave.! It was about 2.30. in the afternoon when I was aproached by a young man ....19-24 ?..who asked me for "money for some food to eat." He said that, time's were tough and that there were no- job's availiable. I felt some kind of awkwardness.. and politley said.."NO"...I don't/didn't have that much money and could'nt be of 'any help to him".At that moment...which I had'nt seen" ..he looked over his shoulder...towards some friends ....again....and well.....hidden....or set-up material...at which point......while his head was looking back at his friends....I noticed the..."butt of a handgun" sticking out of his ...drooping jeans !! I knew right away that I was in trouble..." BIG TROUBLE"It was a .."Sunday"....and the parking-lot was empty'...Thankfully , another car...'couple'..pullled in at which point....he..."dis-engaged the...." confrentation". He never pulled the gun on me....he did'nt "intentionly' let me see it.!!! I Know ...I GOT LUCKY THAT DAY". When the other car pulled up....he-----they ----scattered !!! I left. Even with cameras around every corner...he never pulled the weapon on me...and though I saw the "butt' of a gun....I was'nt going to ask him to wait till the cops showed up. I"m sorry for my rant....but....I must say.......had I had my ccw at the time...I ....don't know? Maybe he just needed food, for him and his bud's'.......maybe he would have gotten it....at the expence of my life !! I'm thankful for the couple who pulled into the parking lot...and made it a point to pull out to leave but ....stayed right next store , where they saw me, and watched until I knew that they realized th 'jig' was up and they....dispersed'...I look at things differently now...I still give away to much "trust"....however...I keep a closer eye on the thing's and situations around me.!!!! Thank-you for the great community of "honest" gun owning citizens out there..!!!! I got my CCW - two month's after that encounter.!!!! god -bless.......keep-the-faith!! Racer-X

Roller Coaster's and spider's scare me...not to mention...my girl if I forget to take out the trash. ! But.....this was different....No-ride...and ..'pussy-not included"...I'm not dy-ing for "pussy-less--trash bag's"!!!!.Thanx's everyone..sorry for the rant ! Peace- Out....Racer-X

KW Gary M · 07-15-2008, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bravo

I think Moss was giving a compliment. No need to tone it down

I took it as he was giving a compliment too.

racerx · 07-16-2008, 01:40 AM

Hey guys, THanks for 'getting' it.. sometime's words don't come across they way they should.....or....don't get conveyed with the same thought in mind. Anyway, it's all good and I'm glad to be part of this "thread".! Keep on shootin' !!! the bad guy....that is .....Peace...out......Racer-x!! No-harm....no foul.......Be safe.....

Yeeeeee-Haaaaa!!!!!! I alway's appreciate the reply's...be it....good ....or bad...that's what a forum is all about ! May you never be in danger...nor need to fire apon a fellow human...but if you do...MAY IT BE....RIGHT BETWEEN THE EYE"S with a plus + hollow-point !!!!!! p.s I"m still looking for a way to make my little Kel-Tec 380 more "comfy"...any ideas ??? recoil springs.?....grips? shock-absorbers?......leaf-springs?...Air-shocks?.......Haaa.... lol....Taker' easy'

GlockMeister · 07-16-2008, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racerx

Thanks Bravo....but Moss is right...I do sometime's get carried away. However I will continue to read and write posts as thier interests co-inside with mine. I could have suggested that Moss tie a yo-yo to the trigger guard and "work the yo-yo' with his thumb between' shots. Just kiddin' Moss. Again...all in the name of fun!

It's okay and there's nothing wrong with getting a little carried away with something you're passionate about. And we;re all passionate about shooting and the guns we own, no matter what kind they are or who made them.

Welcome to the site racerx.

Bravo · 07-16-2008, 04:47 PM

Racerx,

I've never heard of oil hurting plastic (I may be in for a surprise...)

I have heard of some solvents (cleaners) hurting plastics/polymers(if you want to be fancy).

There are special cleaners out there that are made for Polymer handguns. I just clean the polymer part very carefully, and use the heavy solvents on the slide/barrel.

Moss500Bantam · 07-16-2008, 08:05 PM

yeah man. again all good. I have never heard of any chemical especially a lubricant that can harm these good plastics. Ask me in 1985 and they would meld with sunlight and water. I have gained some respect for the technology. looking at the FN. Keep it real racer, keep true to yourself and we enjoy your opinions. Too many people fake in this here world, be yourself

racerx · 07-16-2008, 08:11 PM

Thanx for the welcome...Glockmeister...appreciate it. Hey Bravo, I'm not sure about the oil thing...but I did work for a 'custom plastics injection molding machine shop' for about 9 years and I do recall certain plastics that could and or would "absorb" certain oils and or chemicals. Iv'e noticed that 'though I wipe off any excess oil"...the plastic parts/ basically the mainframe will appear dry after a relatively short period of time...unlike anything metal..thus, leading me to believe that some oil is being absorbed into these parts. I don't know what the long term affects are....but were' not talking about a plastic "spork" !!!l..lol... This is about a firearm that we may be depending our lives upon...and the pressure tolerances that these weapons need to handle under different temperature's/ climate...or....heat generated from multiple firings...which for most of us 'deviates' quite a bit. I'm certainly not trying to worry anybody...nor have I had any problems thus far...but I do wonder about the long-term absorbtion of these oils or any solvents over a long period of time. I'd hate to see anyone go to fire thier gun....and it just...cracks or disinagrates upon pulling the trigger. Hopefully if it did happen it would be at the range...not in a time of need and nobody got hurt! Just a thought....like Moss say's...I could be wrong!....Don't wanna be right about this one !!

" Worry is like a rocking-chair...it gives you something to do ...but doesn't get you anywhere.!!!" Racer-X ...I would like to believe that S&W and Glock and all the polymer gun co's have this in mind in thier making of thier product...Glock's have a pretty damn good track record...so I may be making something out of nothing...but just take notice of how quickly "Remi-oil" disapates on any of the polymer framing parts, trigger etc...on the M&P"S...??? Still lovin' the gun!!!! Rock-On everyone !!

racerx · 07-16-2008, 08:19 PM

Thanks again Moss.....remember..."Then again...you may be right!' ..Keepin it real... Racer X

Bravo · 07-16-2008, 08:20 PM

I would email S&W, they're good about answering questions.

I wouldn't worry about it though, I highly doubt that the plastic is absorbing the oil.

Also, oil really shouldn't be getting on the plastic, at least in large quantities. I mean...the only moving parts are metal on metal, right?

racerx · 07-16-2008, 09:51 PM

Bravo, yeh ...your right, it's not the metal..on.metal....i'ts the accidental run-off...which for myself...can be immpossible to control completely. I'm pretty sure your right about the danger...and...your definatly right that 'contacting someone at S&W is the way to go. It's not the actual plastic per-say' that 'instantly absorbs the oils..or solvents.. . It's the "coatings' put on these plastics.The frame, trigger everything...etc.... the coatings are what , in my expierience with plastics and moldings are the first to absorb the chemicals....and then over time would allow damage to the actual ..(plastic)..itself. It's the coatings..that I guess ..I should have expressed my concerns about....not the actual plastic "body". I know that the coatings are "tough' which is to be expected, but that's what I feel "could pose a problem down the LONG-HAUL". You are absolutley right though....my...or these ...concerns should be directed to the actual company making the weapon...only.]..{

.we all should know by now ...the politic's of "big business" and thier willingness to aknowledge a mistake. Again, I truly believe that I'm making a mountain out of a molehill....however...I still ask.....leave a couple of drops of water on your M&P frame for a while.....??/...Then.... leave a drop or two of Remi -oil somewhere....and.......notice the difference. Seems as though the water...bead's longer if not till usuall evaporation time...where-as the oil does not.I'm not disagreeing with you whatso-ever...and appreciate your knowledge and opinion...which are far superior to mine...just something Iv'e taken notice to. I'm not sure about whom to contact about this with reguards to getting an 'honest' answer. I guess the bottom line is this...THese guns "should " out-live" us !!!! PERIOD! I'm sure it's just a small quirck' that I'm obscesing about.!! I deffinatly have obcessive-compulsive issues...sorry. My "bad" for making a stupid observence' if that's what it is. Thanx for takin the time to read and respond. I'm going to look into it a little further...if anyone else out there knows anything about this ....mucho-gracias' for any input...I"m sure these are all fine weapon's and should serve us all well"... Didn't mean to alarm anybody and hope that you'll continue to ...keep me in the "fold"...

. thank-you.. Racer

Bravo · 07-17-2008, 02:51 PM

Racerx, I wouldn't worry. I know of someone that ran 10,000 rounds through their M&P 9mm. The only cleaning that they did was swab the barrel every 1000 rounds, and oil it every 1000 rounds. It was a type of stress test.

If you're wondering, the M&P never jammed, functioning flawlessly.

The gun was throughly cleaned after the 10,000 rounds, and it looks almost new.

Col. Angus · 07-28-2008, 01:54 PM

Bravo......

Was that the stress test a dude was talking about in here earlier this year? I am looking for that thread, beacause it linked to some other sites. I have lost all the saved info on my computer do to a virus and would love to find that thread again.

Angus

Bravo · 07-28-2008, 02:23 PM

It wasn't an official stress test that we've seen on Glocks and the XD, but rather an endurance test over 10,000 rounds in 1 handgun (he may be at 20,000 rounds). It was posted on a different board, I'll have to check in and see where he's at.

07-13-2008, 04:49 PM	#22
Moss500Bantam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 257	You sure do talk alot. LOL __________________ I don't know how a PC works. I just know how to use it. I know how a gun works, and how to use it.

07-13-2008, 07:26 PM	#23
racerx Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 21	Moss, yeh ...I guess Iv'e been told that before...and it looks like your a "man of few words".....I'ts all good....I'll tone it down. take'er easy. Peace, out Racer-X Have you looked into any aftermarket grips that might give you the 1911 feel that your accustomed to ? Just a thought. Last edited by racerx; 07-13-2008 at 07:44 PM. Reason: added question

07-13-2008, 09:01 PM	#26
Moss500Bantam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 257	It's all good. I just get frustrated becaused ADD only allows me to read a few lines at a time. LOL/ Now where's that dad burned yo yo? __________________ I don't know how a PC works. I just know how to use it. I know how a gun works, and how to use it.

07-15-2008, 07:47 PM	#27
racerx Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 21	Moss.....never under estimate the thought that....." you may be right" !! Bravo, Ive been using Hoppe's cleaning lube on the M&P....then 'Remi-oil" too lube afterwards. I've read posts where they say that ---some oils can ruin the plastic parts....frame, trigger, anything ....with oil ? is this true...? I allway's wipe off and wipe down any excess oil , run off, after the cleaning and lube process! Just wondering if there is a better or safer product...as to not ruin the best sidearm I've ever bought !! Thanx for any thoughts or suggestions. " Worry is like a rocking-chair.......it gives you something to do....but does'nt get you anywhere".....Racer-X........ 'you could be right'!!! Last edited by racerx; 07-15-2008 at 07:49 PM. Reason: Moss...you could be right !

07-16-2008, 01:40 AM	#30
racerx Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 21	Hey guys, THanks for 'getting' it.. sometime's words don't come across they way they should.....or....don't get conveyed with the same thought in mind. Anyway, it's all good and I'm glad to be part of this "thread".! Keep on shootin' !!! the bad guy....that is .....Peace...out......Racer-x!! No-harm....no foul.......Be safe.....Yeeeeee-Haaaaa!!!!!! I alway's appreciate the reply's...be it....good ....or bad...that's what a forum is all about ! May you never be in danger...nor need to fire apon a fellow human...but if you do...MAY IT BE....RIGHT BETWEEN THE EYE"S with a plus + hollow-point !!!!!! p.s I"m still looking for a way to make my little Kel-Tec 380 more "comfy"...any ideas ??? recoil springs.?....grips? shock-absorbers?......leaf-springs?...Air-shocks?.......Haaa.... lol....Taker' easy'

07-13-2008, 04:33 PM	#21
racerx Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 21	With reguards to the safety issue on the m&p or Glock or any model handgun that doesn't a have an external -manual safety my thoughts were this. In a life-threatening moment....meaning...seconds if not milli-seconds I questioned my ability to disengage it fast enough in that "critical" moment. Worse yet...perhaps the safety was " forgottenly" NOT engaged and when that moment of crisis arisise's one would accidently engage the safety....and of course 'critical-mistake'....with catastrophic concequences !! I opted to go the safety-less route. Then my concern focused to the type of holster for carry..as so that there would be NO-WAY for the holstering of the weapon in any way that it could possibly trip the built-in trigger safety allowing the weapon to discharge and blow a round down the length of your leg, thigh or worse your manly-ness depending apon where you were carrying. The only option there would be not to have a round in the chamber...and...that's not really a timely option in a possible self-deffence situation that would mean raking-the slide to chamber a round into it.....much worse than disengaging a safety!!! As far as children...I have none that live in my home so that is not an issue for myself but of course for those that do...completly locking the weapon be it ..in a safe or lockable gun cabinet..or the cable-lock systems they have are of course your best and expected practice.....however this renders your weapon useless in a home invasion situation. Learning to keep it loaded and in your night-stand barring the fact that your kids wouldn't enter your room while sleeping is really about all you can do other than having it under your pillow and hope that you don't have a bad dream where you would somehow shift and move your head, body or hands around only to wind up killing the person sleeping next to you or yourself. But again I don't have children in my home so...my nightstand holds it right where I need it..18 inches away..fully loaded and ready to go !! I know that many people have strong opinions about this issue, mines just one of them. I'm interested in anybody elses opinion on this so as that any better ideas are alway's welcomed and may be able to help friends or other family members that may have the same worries. Thanks everybody....good-luck and happy-shooting. Still having a blast with my m&P 9....no pun intended !! 3,000 plus rounds....still going strong and not ONE SINGLE PROBLEM !!! NO FAILURES OF ANY KIND!!! AWESOME GUN !!!! Racer-X

07-13-2008, 07:41 PM	#24
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,897	I think Moss was giving a compliment. No need to tone it down

07-13-2008, 08:02 PM	#25
racerx Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 21	Thanks Bravo....but Moss is right...I do sometime's get carried away. However I will continue to read and write posts as thier interests co-inside with mine. I could have suggested that Moss tie a yo-yo to the trigger guard and "work the yo-yo' with his thumb between' shots. Just kiddin' Moss. Again...all in the name of fun!

07-15-2008, 09:57 PM	#28
racerx Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 21	Hello Everybody,... I would like to thank all.. who's contributions to the forum's...friendly..and considerate reply's are ....within...and...reguardless of....how many "gun's owned'.....type of fire-arm prefernce...etc... are being polite and ..most of importance..." concerned" for our felllow..brothers and sisters....mothers and fathers with reguard to the de-fence of our homes....LIVES... or just plain old "lawnmower" sittin' in the shack !! I'm not busting on 'ANYBODY'.... I"M a newbie when it comes to typing or ---shall I say-- speaking my peace to the world ". !!! It would take toooo long to describe a ' violent situation " that I was taken hostage too... what's more important is 'one's perspective on ... self-defence"..!! I am, as most should be about .."immenent-danger". After "tapping-mac" for a few ---$40.00 dollars....went back...proceeded to sit-in my car and...get ready to leave.! It was about 2.30. in the afternoon when I was aproached by a young man ....19-24 ?..who asked me for "money for some food to eat." He said that, time's were tough and that there were no- job's availiable. I felt some kind of awkwardness.. and politley said.."NO"...I don't/didn't have that much money and could'nt be of 'any help to him".At that moment...which I had'nt seen" ..he looked over his shoulder...towards some friends ....again....and well.....hidden....or set-up material...at which point......while his head was looking back at his friends....I noticed the..."butt of a handgun" sticking out of his ...drooping jeans !! I knew right away that I was in trouble..." BIG TROUBLE"It was a .."Sunday"....and the parking-lot was empty'...Thankfully , another car...'couple'..pullled in at which point....he..."dis-engaged the...." confrentation". He never pulled the gun on me....he did'nt "intentionly' let me see it.!!! I Know ...I GOT LUCKY THAT DAY". When the other car pulled up....he-----they ----scattered !!! I left. Even with cameras around every corner...he never pulled the weapon on me...and though I saw the "butt' of a gun....I was'nt going to ask him to wait till the cops showed up. I"m sorry for my rant....but....I must say.......had I had my ccw at the time...I ....don't know? *Maybe he just needed food, for him and his bud's'.......maybe he would have gotten it....at the expence of my life !!* I'm thankful for the couple who pulled into the parking lot...and made it a point to pull out to leave but ....stayed right next store , where they saw me, and watched until I knew that they realized th 'jig' was up and they....dispersed'...I look at things differently now...I still give away to much "trust"....however...I keep a closer eye on the thing's and situations around me.!!!! Thank-you for the great community of "honest" gun owning citizens out there..!!!! I got my CCW - two month's after that encounter.!!!! god -bless.......keep-the-faith!! Racer-X Roller Coaster's and spider's scare me...not to mention...my girl if I forget to take out the trash. ! But.....this was different....No-ride...and ..'pussy-not included"...I'm not dy-ing for "pussy-less--trash bag's"!!!!.Thanx's everyone..sorry for the rant ! Peace- Out....Racer-X

07-16-2008, 04:47 PM	#32
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,897	Racerx, I've never heard of oil hurting plastic (I may be in for a surprise...) I have heard of some solvents (cleaners) hurting plastics/polymers(if you want to be fancy). There are special cleaners out there that are made for Polymer handguns. I just clean the polymer part very carefully, and use the heavy solvents on the slide/barrel.

07-16-2008, 08:05 PM	#33
Moss500Bantam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 257	yeah man. again all good. I have never heard of any chemical especially a lubricant that can harm these good plastics. Ask me in 1985 and they would meld with sunlight and water. I have gained some respect for the technology. looking at the FN. Keep it real racer, keep true to yourself and we enjoy your opinions. Too many people fake in this here world, be yourself __________________ I don't know how a PC works. I just know how to use it. I know how a gun works, and how to use it.

07-16-2008, 08:11 PM	#34
racerx Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 21	Thanx for the welcome...Glockmeister...appreciate it. Hey Bravo, I'm not sure about the oil thing...but I did work for a 'custom plastics injection molding machine shop' for about 9 years and I do recall certain plastics that could and or would "absorb" certain oils and or chemicals. Iv'e noticed that 'though I wipe off any excess oil"...the plastic parts/ basically the mainframe will appear dry after a relatively short period of time...unlike anything metal..thus, leading me to believe that some oil is being absorbed into these parts. I don't know what the long term affects are....but were' not talking about a plastic "spork" !!!l..lol... This is about a firearm that we may be depending our lives upon...and the pressure tolerances that these weapons need to handle under different temperature's/ climate...or....heat generated from multiple firings...which for most of us 'deviates' quite a bit. I'm certainly not trying to worry anybody...nor have I had any problems thus far...but I do wonder about the long-term absorbtion of these oils or any solvents over a long period of time. I'd hate to see anyone go to fire thier gun....and it just...cracks or disinagrates upon pulling the trigger. Hopefully if it did happen it would be at the range...not in a time of need and nobody got hurt! Just a thought....like Moss say's...I could be wrong!....Don't wanna be right about this one !! " Worry is like a rocking-chair...it gives you something to do ...but doesn't get you anywhere.!!!" Racer-X ...I would like to believe that S&W and Glock and all the polymer gun co's have this in mind in thier making of thier product...Glock's have a pretty damn good track record...so I may be making something out of nothing...but just take notice of how quickly "Remi-oil" disapates on any of the polymer framing parts, trigger etc...on the M&P"S...??? Still lovin' the gun!!!! Rock-On everyone !!

07-16-2008, 08:19 PM	#35
racerx Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 21	Thanks again Moss.....remember..."Then again...you may be right!' ..Keepin it real... Racer X

07-16-2008, 08:20 PM	#36
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,897	I would email S&W, they're good about answering questions. I wouldn't worry about it though, I highly doubt that the plastic is absorbing the oil. Also, oil really shouldn't be getting on the plastic, at least in large quantities. I mean...the only moving parts are metal on metal, right?

07-16-2008, 09:51 PM	#37
racerx Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 21	Bravo, yeh ...your right, it's not the metal..on.metal....i'ts the accidental run-off...which for myself...can be immpossible to control completely. I'm pretty sure your right about the danger...and...your definatly right that 'contacting someone at S&W is the way to go. It's not the actual plastic per-say' that 'instantly absorbs the oils..or solvents.. . It's the "coatings' put on these plastics.The frame, trigger everything...etc.... the coatings are what , in my expierience with plastics and moldings are the first to absorb the chemicals....and then over time would allow damage to the actual ..(plastic)..itself. It's the coatings..that I guess ..I should have expressed my concerns about....not the actual plastic "body". I know that the coatings are "tough' which is to be expected, but that's what I feel "could pose a problem down the LONG-HAUL". You are absolutley right though....my...or these ...concerns should be directed to the actual company making the weapon...only.]..{.we all should know by now ...the politic's of "big business" and thier willingness to aknowledge a mistake. Again, I truly believe that I'm making a mountain out of a molehill....however...I still ask.....leave a couple of drops of water on your M&P frame for a while.....??/...Then.... leave a drop or two of Remi -oil somewhere....and.......notice the difference. Seems as though the water...bead's longer if not till usuall evaporation time...where-as the oil does not.I'm not disagreeing with you whatso-ever...and appreciate your knowledge and opinion...which are far superior to mine...just something Iv'e taken notice to. I'm not sure about whom to contact about this with reguards to getting an 'honest' answer. I guess the bottom line is this...THese guns "should " out-live" us !!!! PERIOD! I'm sure it's just a small quirck' that I'm obscesing about.!! I deffinatly have obcessive-compulsive issues...sorry. My "bad" for making a stupid observence' if that's what it is. Thanx for takin the time to read and respond. I'm going to look into it a little further...if anyone else out there knows anything about this ....mucho-gracias' for any input...I"m sure these are all fine weapon's and should serve us all well"... Didn't mean to alarm anybody and hope that you'll continue to ...keep me in the "fold".... thank-you.. Racer

07-17-2008, 02:51 PM	#38
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,897	Racerx, I wouldn't worry. I know of someone that ran 10,000 rounds through their M&P 9mm. The only cleaning that they did was swab the barrel every 1000 rounds, and oil it every 1000 rounds. It was a type of stress test. If you're wondering, the M&P never jammed, functioning flawlessly. The gun was throughly cleaned after the 10,000 rounds, and it looks almost new.

07-28-2008, 01:54 PM	#39
Col. Angus Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sandy beaches and distant reaches. Posts: 28	Bravo...... Was that the stress test a dude was talking about in here earlier this year? I am looking for that thread, beacause it linked to some other sites. I have lost all the saved info on my computer do to a virus and would love to find that thread again. Angus

07-28-2008, 02:23 PM	#40
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 1,897	It wasn't an official stress test that we've seen on Glocks and the XD, but rather an endurance test over 10,000 rounds in 1 handgun (he may be at 20,000 rounds). It was posted on a different board, I'll have to check in and see where he's at.