Is this Mod safe or not for the S&W Sigma?

PONTIACDM · 11-04-2009, 02:52 PM

If what he is saying about the lawsuit is true and this mod is safe. Then this might be some really good news to all the Sigma owners out there.
Excuse the silliness at the beginning. He gets serious real quick.

YouTube - S&W Sigma Trigger job (Trigger...

woody1981 · 11-04-2009, 06:52 PM

Pontiac, thanks for posting this. I'm not sure that I'd want to remove that spring from my SW Sigma 9VE, because the trigger pull does not bother me. However, he did show me something there, and I appreciate your posting this info. You're right. His video would have been much better without the profanity throughout. I wonder if he knows how to speak without it. But....thanks much.

TXplt · 11-04-2009, 07:55 PM

I really don't know....

Maybe, maybe not.

Glock has different disconnectors which either decrease trigger pull to 3.5 lbs or increase trigger pulls to 8.5 or so lbs (the NY-1 I believe but am not sure).

I would be REALLY careful in modifying trigger pulls of newer "DAO" guns on ones' own (i.e. guns without a safety) if they are going to be used for defensive work. I'd get a qualified gunsmith to do it; especially if the heavy trigger pull was designed by the manufacturer as part of the inherent safety of a gun.

Mas Ayoob makes some excellent points in his book "combat handgunnery" about the perils of modifying triggers or disabling safeties. Although I don't live my life in the "what if" liability world I can see how a prosecutor or plaintiff's lawyer could make a big deal about a self-engineered "hair trigger" on a gun you were carrying for defensive use--whether it was a factor in the shooting or not.

squirrelblaster · 11-05-2009, 02:01 AM

sheesh that kid curses a lot......

woody1981 · 11-05-2009, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXplt

I really don't know....

Maybe, maybe not.

Glock has different disconnectors which either decrease trigger pull to 3.5 lbs or increase trigger pulls to 8.5 or so lbs (the NY-1 I believe but am not sure).

I would be REALLY careful in modifying trigger pulls of newer "DAO" guns on ones' own (i.e. guns without a safety) if they are going to be used for defensive work. I'd get a qualified gunsmith to do it; especially if the heavy trigger pull was designed by the manufacturer as part of the inherent safety of a gun.

Mas Ayoob makes some excellent points in his book "combat handgunnery" about the perils of modifying triggers or disabling safeties. Although I don't live my life in the "what if" liability world I can see how a prosecutor or plaintiff's lawyer could make a big deal about a self-engineered "hair trigger" on a gun you were carrying for defensive use--whether it was a factor in the shooting or not.

I agree. There could be terrific liability from a modified handgun used in a life or death situation. The SW Sigmas don't have a safety as is, so I'd hate to cause some mishap by making the trigger more reactive. And you know the trigger pull still doesn't bother me, although I know I am the oddity here because it's bothered almost everyone I've talked to about it.

Kaybe · 11-05-2009, 10:37 AM

The person is right, Glock sued Smith and Wesson for 7 different patent violations. Smith and Wesson had to pay Glock and I think that for every Sigma sold, money went to Glock. You could actually switch barrels with the pistols. I have heard that people were putting Sigma barrels in Glocks to make them a bit more accurate. Good point about the liability though. I thought that I could improve the trigger on a gun that could be had for a good price, but not so sure now. I is ascared of the lawyer folk.

PONTIACDM · 11-05-2009, 04:11 PM

I understand where you guys are coming from. I just don't see how it's any different than putting a lighter spring on your trigger, modified is modified . I don't currently have a Sigma but would like to in the future. As many complaints as I've heard about the trigger from their owners. I thought this might be a quick easy fix, if it was safe.

Kaybe · 11-05-2009, 04:49 PM

Thanks for the post. Any extra knowledge about how guns work and so on is always a bonus. Thanks again.

samuel · 11-06-2009, 12:25 AM

I will go for anything that gives me better trigger control and yet is safe.However this one I would check carefully,including several drop tests. ,,,sam.

woody1981 · 11-06-2009, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaybe

Thanks for the post. Any extra knowledge about how guns work and so on is always a bonus. Thanks again.

I agree. Thanks Pontiac and all others who responded.

woody1981 · 11-06-2009, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samuel

I will go for anything that gives me better trigger control and yet is safe.However this one I would check carefully,including several drop tests. ,,,sam.

Agree, Sam. Dropping or other accidental discharge would worry me. But I see where Pontiac is coming from.

rmm63 · 11-06-2009, 12:13 PM

Not an expert, but after doing the mod, I can't tell much difference in the trigger pull. If there is nothing else that the spring does, then it seems to me that it ought to be safe to remove it.

Again, not an expert, but how do you do a drop test without doing some damage to the pistol?

Kaybe · 11-06-2009, 02:45 PM

Put a case with a live primer on it and drop it on something hard, but covered with a rubber pad? Thin, non foam rubber pad? Good question....

delford · 11-06-2009, 04:17 PM

I'm with woody on post #2. I've shot the S9ve and while the pull is long, once you get used to it, especially if this is your cc gun, you allow for it. I have shot a few magazines through the Sigma and generally it was quite accurate once I adjusted to the pull. Quick firing worked best for me.

ZombieHunter · 11-14-2009, 02:46 PM

Well, I suppose I have some work to do when I get home...

11-04-2009, 07:55 PM	#3
TXplt Traveling Libertarian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 4,856 Blog Entries: 2	I really don't know.... Maybe, maybe not. Glock has different disconnectors which either decrease trigger pull to 3.5 lbs or increase trigger pulls to 8.5 or so lbs (the NY-1 I believe but am not sure). I would be REALLY careful in modifying trigger pulls of newer "DAO" guns on ones' own (i.e. guns without a safety) if they are going to be used for defensive work. I'd get a qualified gunsmith to do it; especially if the heavy trigger pull was designed by the manufacturer as part of the inherent safety of a gun. Mas Ayoob makes some excellent points in his book "combat handgunnery" about the perils of modifying triggers or disabling safeties. Although I don't live my life in the "what if" liability world I can see how a prosecutor or plaintiff's lawyer could make a big deal about a self-engineered "hair trigger" on a gun you were carrying for defensive use--whether it was a factor in the shooting or not. __________________ Old fighter pilots never die.....They just wind up in Texas

11-05-2009, 02:01 AM	#4
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11-05-2009, 10:37 AM	#6
Kaybe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northcentral Ohio Posts: 871	The person is right, Glock sued Smith and Wesson for 7 different patent violations. Smith and Wesson had to pay Glock and I think that for every Sigma sold, money went to Glock. You could actually switch barrels with the pistols. I have heard that people were putting Sigma barrels in Glocks to make them a bit more accurate. Good point about the liability though. I thought that I could improve the trigger on a gun that could be had for a good price, but not so sure now. I is ascared of the lawyer folk. __________________ "It's a Mister Grimm, something about the reaping."

11-05-2009, 04:11 PM	#7
PONTIACDM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: OHIO Posts: 1,576	I understand where you guys are coming from. I just don't see how it's any different than putting a lighter spring on your trigger, modified is modified . I don't currently have a Sigma but would like to in the future. As many complaints as I've heard about the trigger from their owners. I thought this might be a quick easy fix, if it was safe. __________________ You will not be punished for your anger. You will be punished by your anger.

11-05-2009, 04:49 PM	#8
Kaybe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northcentral Ohio Posts: 871	Thanks for the post. Any extra knowledge about how guns work and so on is always a bonus. Thanks again. __________________ "It's a Mister Grimm, something about the reaping."

11-04-2009, 06:52 PM	#2
woody1981 One of the Usual Suspects Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: southwest PA Posts: 1,550 Blog Entries: 1	Pontiac, thanks for posting this. I'm not sure that I'd want to remove that spring from my SW Sigma 9VE, because the trigger pull does not bother me. However, he did show me something there, and I appreciate your posting this info. You're right. His video would have been much better without the profanity throughout. I wonder if he knows how to speak without it. But....thanks much. __________________ A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”~Freud

11-06-2009, 12:25 AM	#9
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,719	I will go for anything that gives me better trigger control and yet is safe.However this one I would check carefully,including several drop tests. ,,,sam.

11-06-2009, 12:13 PM	#12
rmm63 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 44	Not an expert, but after doing the mod, I can't tell much difference in the trigger pull. If there is nothing else that the spring does, then it seems to me that it ought to be safe to remove it. Again, not an expert, but how do you do a drop test without doing some damage to the pistol? Last edited by rmm63; 11-06-2009 at 12:15 PM.

11-06-2009, 02:45 PM	#13
Kaybe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northcentral Ohio Posts: 871	Put a case with a live primer on it and drop it on something hard, but covered with a rubber pad? Thin, non foam rubber pad? Good question.... __________________ "It's a Mister Grimm, something about the reaping."

11-06-2009, 04:17 PM	#14
delford Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Great state of Mecklenburg, NC Posts: 23	I'm with woody on post #2. I've shot the S9ve and while the pull is long, once you get used to it, especially if this is your cc gun, you allow for it. I have shot a few magazines through the Sigma and generally it was quite accurate once I adjusted to the pull. Quick firing worked best for me.

11-14-2009, 02:46 PM	#15
ZombieHunter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 461	Well, I suppose I have some work to do when I get home... __________________ Shoot 'em in the ankles...so they have to sit down and think about what they did wrong.