Budapest M95 From Classic Arrives!!!!

Iron_Colonel · 04-04-2009, 03:55 AM

Finally got the M95 from Classic Arms today. It is a Budapest Hungarian M95, and the bore looks great in this one. Brown dropped it off, and must have known it was a rifle, because he said to enjoy it. Perhaps he recognized the C&R above the address, or the box... Anyways, looks pretty good. Took her all apart and wiped off all the cosmo, took apart the trigger assembly and got it all cleaned out of all the nooks and crannies. Bolt was a little bit of a pain. Don't put the rotating piece in the sleeve upside down, or your thumbs will hurt. Not too well versed on the M95 bolts. But it works now. It will take a little practice.

The cracks don't look to be too bad, but they are all the way through the stock where the barrel and receiver sit. There is also a small one on the hand guard near the muzzle. But for the price I am not too disappointed. I was expecting a bigger crack

It ought to shoot ok. Range report hopefully tomorrow.

There was a bit of bad news, however. The clip retaining spring was broken on the new one I just got. Fortunately, I was expecting to put this M95 action and barrel in my other M95 stock if necessary. We shall see. The other one will become a wall hanger anyways. The bore is totally shot out of it. I was able to take the part out of my other M95, and put it in place of the broken part, so it is functioning fine now. I'll attempt to contact Classic, and see what they can do, if anything. Anyone know where to get any M95 parts?

Hand guard near muzzle.

Fore end of stock, where your front hand goes. Looks like it was shot from a resting position quite a bit with no protection beneath it. No big deal.

Crack from rear tang.

I like the color of the stock on this rifle. I'm a sucker for the dark stocked rifles.

bobvonb · 04-04-2009, 02:31 PM

I ordered my second M95 today. Classic should have my C&R by now. the online order didnt require the number but I put entered a comment about when I sent it. They should be able to match the order and C&R. I hope mine looks as good as yours. APEX sells M95 parts, but I don't see the spring you are missing on the list. I have seen it elsewhere online but don't have the URL handy.

The one I have is my project gun (NOT bought with C&R), with sporter stock and I'm still working on the bore. It is mostly shiny but 2 areas of dark I'm working on. Today I'll try 'electric' cleaning. One problem is I don't have a .32 brass brush and I don't think the .30 one is doing the job. I have one on order from Midsouth but it's in with some backorder stuff so it might take a bit.

However, I do have the original stock from the project that is in decent shape and was cleaned and refinished and put away incase I need to undo the sporter if ever I wanted to sell it as C&R.

Whichever bore is the best will go into the sporter which I intend to use for hunting, the other will be restored as best I can.

Iron_Colonel · 04-04-2009, 04:16 PM

Looks good. I just put in the comment field C&R was on file. No problems, shipping was about a week from NC via UPS ground. Still cost me $20 though.

TheJoker · 04-04-2009, 04:27 PM

Do you know the "dime trick", Colonel? Once you get the striker cocked, a dime laid flat is exactly the right size to hold the striker in the cocked position until you slide the bolt into the receiver. It saves a lot of wear and tear on the thumbs!!!

.22guy · 04-04-2009, 10:48 PM

Looks good! I still need to get one or five of these while they are available.

Iron_Colonel · 04-05-2009, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheJoker

Do you know the "dime trick", Colonel? Once you get the striker cocked, a dime laid flat is exactly the right size to hold the striker in the cocked position until you slide the bolt into the receiver. It saves a lot of wear and tear on the thumbs!!!

Yes, I do know the dime trick. Thanks for the post, hopefully someone else may be able to use it too. Once I got the bolt put together correctly, it wasn't too hard. Now, I am thinking about switching some of my parts from my other M95 to this newly acquired one. The front sight is so tall, it makes the rifle shoot like 2 feet high at 100 yds. The trigger is atrocious. I know Mosin Nagants can have heavy triggers, but this trigger is ridiculously hard to pull. But my other one is nice. Might switch out the trigger parts and the cockign knob. We'll see if that helps anything, as well as the front sight. Got a vid shooting it coming up soon.

bobvonb · 04-05-2009, 10:51 PM

if you tell me the exact distance between the rear notch and the closest edge of the front sight, I'll do the math and tell you exactly how much to remove per MOA. inches or mm ok

Actually, a tall front sight would make it shoot low, not high as you state and show in the video. Imaging a front sight 12" tall, the rifle would then be aimed way low. But the math is the same, you will need to either raise (add to) the front sight, or lower (cut deeper) the rear sight. But then again, I could just go measure MY M95 and do the math couldn't I?

It is my understanding that these shot a foot high on purpose, so that the soldiers could then aim at the middle of their enemy and have good chances of a hit out to several hundred paces (schritten... not yards).

bobvonb · 04-06-2009, 09:17 PM

rats, Classic Arms is sold out of M95s. I couldn't get my order in quick enough it seems. Evidentally Century has not registered my C&R that I mailed last week (Apr 1) yet so I can't even register there. They don't list any working M95s anyway, just parts guns. But still, I have extra bolt, stock and trigger guard assembly so that might be enough, especially if the price is very good. And they are on eastern time so I'll have to call at OH-DARK-THIRTY tomorrow morning before I have to work.

So my best efforts at spending some more $$ on a second M95 have come to naught. Must I really buy a Mosin now?

oh, yeah, see my clarification in my previous post please.

Iron_Colonel · 04-09-2009, 12:02 AM

Bob, 403 MM from the top of rear notch to back of front sight blade. Sorry for the wait

bobvonb · 04-09-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron_Colonel

Bob, 403 MM from the top of rear notch to back of front sight blade. Sorry for the wait

1 minute of angle (MOA) = .016666666 degrees

given the sight radius of the rifle is 403mm.

first lets try this at 100 yards = 3600" for a sanity check:

tan A = opposite / adjacent
tan .016666666 = opp / 3600"
3600" * tan .0166666 = 1.0472in (which is the approximation of 1 inch = 1 MOA at 100 yds that we all know)

since this is a proportional function we can just see what 1 MOA would be at 403mm.

403mm * tan .0166666 = .117227mm

so for every 1 MOA we want to change the POI we need to change the sights .117227 mm.

To lower the point of impact down 1 MOA (ie, the gun is shooting high)
either: a) increase the height of the front sight by .117227mm
or: b) decrease the rear sight by that amount

To raise the point of impact up 1 MOA (ie, the gun is shooting low)
either: a) decrease the height of the front sight by .117227mm
or: b) increase the rear sight by that amount

Now multiply .117227mm by the number of MOA you want to move the POI.

so in your example lets say it was shooting 12 inches high (roughly 12 MOA), so 12 * .117227 = 1.4067mm needs to be added to the front sight or taken from the rear to shoot dead on.

ADDENDUM: for a Mosin with a sight radius of 651mm (25 5/8") the correction is
.189mm per MOA.

Iron_Colonel · 04-09-2009, 01:42 AM

Well thanks for the calculations. Totally don't understand the math, but I don't know how I'd add to the height of the front sight. And I don't know if I want to shave off the rear. I don't know how it can shoot so high either. But since it is shooting extremely high, probably 2 feet easily I don't know if I could take off roughly 2.8 mm of metal on the rear sight and still be able to use it? Hm, this will take some pondering.

bobvonb · 04-09-2009, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron_Colonel

Well thanks for the calculations. Totally don't understand the math, but I don't know how I'd add to the height of the front sight. And I don't know if I want to shave off the rear. I don't know how it can shoot so high either. But since it is shooting extremely high, probably 2 feet easily I don't know if I could take off roughly 2.8 mm of metal on the rear sight and still be able to use it? Hm, this will take some pondering.

for the first step I'd suggest that you temporarily add a flurescent dot on top of the front sight however you can. (epoxy, duct tape, whatever), then shoot with that dot fully in the V of the rear sight, perhaps with the bottom of the V centered on the dot and see how that effects the POI and go from there. there are a couple places online to get extra front sights. I think APEX was one. They are cheap.

Peedumms · 04-12-2009, 11:41 PM

What's up fellas. I'm new to the site. I just picked up a Steyr M95 from Joe's going out of business sale and had a question. What do you guys use to clean your rifles? This is my first weapon purchase and I'm not all that familiar with whats out there. The bayonet was caked in grease and I'm worried the barrell will have the same problem. I want to dis-assemble the gun and give it a good cleaning and oiling. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!

gandog56 · 04-13-2009, 05:35 AM

I have it's Austrian cousin.

Iron_Colonel · 04-13-2009, 11:29 PM

Nice bayonet where did you get that!? Do they have any left at Joe's? Where is the Joe's located? Nice lookign rifle too

As far as cleaning, I would take mineral spirits and wipe down the whole stock, and after removing stock from metal, wipe down the metal as well. (If the stock feels sticky and oily, thats cosmolene, and should be wiped off) I shot some carb cleaner down my barrel and in the receiver and locking lug area of the bolt. Helped to loosen up quite a bit of cosmolene. Mine was pretty caked in it as well. But mineral spirits soaked patches down the bore will help loosen it up. Then clean with Hoppes or other gun cleaner you might have. I would definitely recommend fully detail stripping all parts and soaking them in mineral spirits. If you have an old gatorade bottle or something of the like you can fill partially with mineral spirits and lightly shake, swish and swirl to get more cosmo off the small parts. Shake, let it sit a bit, shake and swirl, let it sit again.....do it a few times, and dry everything off.

You should disassemble the bolt as well. It is a little bit of a pain, but it can be done. Check youtube, good bolt disassemble vids there for the M95 bolts. Soak the bolt, and one part of the bolt sleeve will also fit in an old gatorade bottle. Then oil the bolt and reassemble. Be sure to get in the nooks and crannies of the receiver and locking lugs for the bolt. Get some light in there to remove all nasty cosmolene. Use Qtips, dental picks, old toothbrush soaked in mineral spirits, or shoot some carb cleaner in there too. But don't let it get on the bluing.

As far as cleaning after shooting, the 8 x 56R is a little tougher to come by. Milsurp ammo is more available than commercial loads, other than your own hand loads. But if you shoot military surplus, clean with Windex with ammonia, or soapy water as that will help neutralize any corrosive salts in old ammo. Then clean with normal cleaner. Hope that helps. And welcome! Youre not far off in the Tacoma area. I'm down near Lacey.

Peedumms · 04-16-2009, 03:21 AM

The bayonet came with the rifle. I actually got two. One for the M95 and one for an Enfield because the guy at joe's didn't know which was which so he just gave me both LOL. I got the last one from joe's in federal way and I know all they have left at the puyallup one is an M1a1 Carbine for $1300 and three Enfields for 150 and up but all were in poor condition. I saw one at Big 5 in Tacoma for 79.99 but some idiot pulled the bolt back with the safety still engaged so the saftey is now dug into the stock. Other than that it was in good condition. I got a cleaning and oiling kit for the rifle. Just basic. I think I'll do the spirits idea. I did have trouble getting the bolt completely apart. I can get it out of the rifle but can't get the bolt to turn far enough to get the ejector clip out. Perhaps that's something I'll need help with. There really wasn't any cosmoline on the rifle. The stock needs a little cleaning but that's it. I'm looking forward to going and shooting it here in the next week or so. My en bloc clips should be here tomorrow!!

jsmaye · 04-23-2009, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron_Colonel

Well thanks for the calculations. Totally don't understand the math, but I don't know how I'd add to the height of the front sight. And I don't know if I want to shave off the rear. I don't know how it can shoot so high either. But since it is shooting extremely high, probably 2 feet easily I don't know if I could take off roughly 2.8 mm of metal on the rear sight and still be able to use it? Hm, this will take some pondering.

Might be a dumb question, but have you tried using the close-range sights?

Peedumms · 04-24-2009, 11:35 PM

I was reading about the M95 the other day and I found an article about the different front sights. According to what I read, the tall front sights were for close range police work. I found it most informative. I'll try to find the link and post it.

sdoyl123 · 05-17-2009, 10:33 PM

Check out J&G, they still have in stock on the M95's got one a few weeks ago and it is in pretty good shape for $79.00. No cracks in the wood, good bore.

gandog56 · 05-18-2009, 12:34 AM

SOG has them, too.

04-04-2009, 03:55 AM	#1
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 3,282	Budapest M95 From Classic Arrives!!!! Finally got the M95 from Classic Arms today. It is a Budapest Hungarian M95, and the bore looks great in this one. Brown dropped it off, and must have known it was a rifle, because he said to enjoy it. Perhaps he recognized the C&R above the address, or the box... Anyways, looks pretty good. Took her all apart and wiped off all the cosmo, took apart the trigger assembly and got it all cleaned out of all the nooks and crannies. Bolt was a little bit of a pain. Don't put the rotating piece in the sleeve upside down, or your thumbs will hurt. Not too well versed on the M95 bolts. But it works now. It will take a little practice. The cracks don't look to be too bad, but they are all the way through the stock where the barrel and receiver sit. There is also a small one on the hand guard near the muzzle. But for the price I am not too disappointed. I was expecting a bigger crack It ought to shoot ok. Range report hopefully tomorrow. There was a bit of bad news, however. The clip retaining spring was broken on the new one I just got. Fortunately, I was expecting to put this M95 action and barrel in my other M95 stock if necessary. We shall see. The other one will become a wall hanger anyways. The bore is totally shot out of it. I was able to take the part out of my other M95, and put it in place of the broken part, so it is functioning fine now. I'll attempt to contact Classic, and see what they can do, if anything. Anyone know where to get any M95 parts? Hand guard near muzzle. Fore end of stock, where your front hand goes. Looks like it was shot from a resting position quite a bit with no protection beneath it. No big deal. Crack from rear tang. I like the color of the stock on this rifle. I'm a sucker for the dark stocked rifles. __________________ Mosin Nagant evangelist on a mission to convert YOU!

04-04-2009, 02:31 PM	#2
bobvonb Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Apple Valley, CA Posts: 267	Ordered one also I ordered my second M95 today. Classic should have my C&R by now. the online order didnt require the number but I put entered a comment about when I sent it. They should be able to match the order and C&R. I hope mine looks as good as yours. APEX sells M95 parts, but I don't see the spring you are missing on the list. I have seen it elsewhere online but don't have the URL handy. The one I have is my project gun (NOT bought with C&R), with sporter stock and I'm still working on the bore. It is mostly shiny but 2 areas of dark I'm working on. Today I'll try 'electric' cleaning. One problem is I don't have a .32 brass brush and I don't think the .30 one is doing the job. I have one on order from Midsouth but it's in with some backorder stuff so it might take a bit. However, I do have the original stock from the project that is in decent shape and was cleaned and refinished and put away incase I need to undo the sporter if ever I wanted to sell it as C&R. Whichever bore is the best will go into the sporter which I intend to use for hunting, the other will be restored as best I can. Attached Thumbnails

04-04-2009, 04:16 PM	#3
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 3,282	Looks good. I just put in the comment field C&R was on file. No problems, shipping was about a week from NC via UPS ground. Still cost me $20 though. __________________ Mosin Nagant evangelist on a mission to convert YOU!

04-04-2009, 04:27 PM	#4
TheJoker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,071	Do you know the "dime trick", Colonel? Once you get the striker cocked, a dime laid flat is exactly the right size to hold the striker in the cocked position until you slide the bolt into the receiver. It saves a lot of wear and tear on the thumbs!!! __________________ "Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss." -- Lazarus Long

04-04-2009, 10:48 PM	#5
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,221	Looks good! I still need to get one or five of these while they are available. __________________ My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office.

04-05-2009, 10:51 PM	#7
bobvonb Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Apple Valley, CA Posts: 267	tall front sights if you tell me the exact distance between the rear notch and the closest edge of the front sight, I'll do the math and tell you exactly how much to remove per MOA. inches or mm ok Actually, a tall front sight would make it shoot low, not high as you state and show in the video. Imaging a front sight 12" tall, the rifle would then be aimed way low. But the math is the same, you will need to either raise (add to) the front sight, or lower (cut deeper) the rear sight. But then again, I could just go measure MY M95 and do the math couldn't I? It is my understanding that these shot a foot high on purpose, so that the soldiers could then aim at the middle of their enemy and have good chances of a hit out to several hundred paces (schritten... not yards). Last edited by bobvonb; 04-06-2009 at 09:27 PM. Reason: clarification

04-06-2009, 09:17 PM	#8
bobvonb Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Apple Valley, CA Posts: 267	Classic sold out of M95s! rats, Classic Arms is sold out of M95s. I couldn't get my order in quick enough it seems. Evidentally Century has not registered my C&R that I mailed last week (Apr 1) yet so I can't even register there. They don't list any working M95s anyway, just parts guns. But still, I have extra bolt, stock and trigger guard assembly so that might be enough, especially if the price is very good. And they are on eastern time so I'll have to call at OH-DARK-THIRTY tomorrow morning before I have to work. So my best efforts at spending some more $$ on a second M95 have come to naught. Must I really buy a Mosin now? oh, yeah, see my clarification in my previous post please. Last edited by bobvonb; 04-06-2009 at 09:28 PM. Reason: ref previous article

04-09-2009, 12:02 AM	#9
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 3,282	Bob, 403 MM from the top of rear notch to back of front sight blade. Sorry for the wait __________________ Mosin Nagant evangelist on a mission to convert YOU!

04-09-2009, 01:42 AM	#11
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 3,282	Well thanks for the calculations. Totally don't understand the math, but I don't know how I'd add to the height of the front sight. And I don't know if I want to shave off the rear. I don't know how it can shoot so high either. But since it is shooting extremely high, probably 2 feet easily I don't know if I could take off roughly 2.8 mm of metal on the rear sight and still be able to use it? Hm, this will take some pondering. __________________ Mosin Nagant evangelist on a mission to convert YOU!

04-12-2009, 11:41 PM	#13
Peedumms Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 5	What's up fellas. I'm new to the site. I just picked up a Steyr M95 from Joe's going out of business sale and had a question. What do you guys use to clean your rifles? This is my first weapon purchase and I'm not all that familiar with whats out there. The bayonet was caked in grease and I'm worried the barrell will have the same problem. I want to dis-assemble the gun and give it a good cleaning and oiling. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks! Last edited by Peedumms; 04-12-2009 at 11:55 PM. Reason: Typo and added picture

04-13-2009, 05:35 AM	#14
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 11,805	I have it's Austrian cousin. __________________ People think I'm paranoid because I own guns. If I own guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?

04-13-2009, 11:29 PM	#15
Iron_Colonel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington St. Posts: 3,282	Nice bayonet where did you get that!? Do they have any left at Joe's? Where is the Joe's located? Nice lookign rifle too As far as cleaning, I would take mineral spirits and wipe down the whole stock, and after removing stock from metal, wipe down the metal as well. (If the stock feels sticky and oily, thats cosmolene, and should be wiped off) I shot some carb cleaner down my barrel and in the receiver and locking lug area of the bolt. Helped to loosen up quite a bit of cosmolene. Mine was pretty caked in it as well. But mineral spirits soaked patches down the bore will help loosen it up. Then clean with Hoppes or other gun cleaner you might have. I would definitely recommend fully detail stripping all parts and soaking them in mineral spirits. If you have an old gatorade bottle or something of the like you can fill partially with mineral spirits and lightly shake, swish and swirl to get more cosmo off the small parts. Shake, let it sit a bit, shake and swirl, let it sit again.....do it a few times, and dry everything off. You should disassemble the bolt as well. It is a little bit of a pain, but it can be done. Check youtube, good bolt disassemble vids there for the M95 bolts. Soak the bolt, and one part of the bolt sleeve will also fit in an old gatorade bottle. Then oil the bolt and reassemble. Be sure to get in the nooks and crannies of the receiver and locking lugs for the bolt. Get some light in there to remove all nasty cosmolene. Use Qtips, dental picks, old toothbrush soaked in mineral spirits, or shoot some carb cleaner in there too. But don't let it get on the bluing. As far as cleaning after shooting, the 8 x 56R is a little tougher to come by. Milsurp ammo is more available than commercial loads, other than your own hand loads. But if you shoot military surplus, clean with Windex with ammonia, or soapy water as that will help neutralize any corrosive salts in old ammo. Then clean with normal cleaner. Hope that helps. And welcome! Youre not far off in the Tacoma area. I'm down near Lacey. __________________ Mosin Nagant evangelist on a mission to convert YOU!

04-16-2009, 03:21 AM	#16
Peedumms Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 5	The bayonet came with the rifle. I actually got two. One for the M95 and one for an Enfield because the guy at joe's didn't know which was which so he just gave me both LOL. I got the last one from joe's in federal way and I know all they have left at the puyallup one is an M1a1 Carbine for $1300 and three Enfields for 150 and up but all were in poor condition. I saw one at Big 5 in Tacoma for 79.99 but some idiot pulled the bolt back with the safety still engaged so the saftey is now dug into the stock. Other than that it was in good condition. I got a cleaning and oiling kit for the rifle. Just basic. I think I'll do the spirits idea. I did have trouble getting the bolt completely apart. I can get it out of the rifle but can't get the bolt to turn far enough to get the ejector clip out. Perhaps that's something I'll need help with. There really wasn't any cosmoline on the rifle. The stock needs a little cleaning but that's it. I'm looking forward to going and shooting it here in the next week or so. My en bloc clips should be here tomorrow!! Last edited by Peedumms; 04-16-2009 at 03:27 AM.

04-24-2009, 11:35 PM	#18
Peedumms Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 5	I was reading about the M95 the other day and I found an article about the different front sights. According to what I read, the tall front sights were for close range police work. I found it most informative. I'll try to find the link and post it.

05-17-2009, 10:33 PM	#19
sdoyl123 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Northeast Kansas Posts: 356	Check out J&G, they still have in stock on the M95's got one a few weeks ago and it is in pretty good shape for $79.00. No cracks in the wood, good bore.

05-18-2009, 12:34 AM	#20
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 11,805	SOG has them, too. __________________ People think I'm paranoid because I own guns. If I own guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?