[leomort]

yeah, hopefully things could work out that could stay on familiar territory.

I was at gun range today sight in my .223rem sporting rifle while these two guys were playing with their AR 223rem. Think one of them had a S&W AR that ran him $1700, then a Leupold military spec. 4x scope then in front it some kind of red-dot holo scope with night vision capability, and hand grip thing on foreend that had a bidpod thing that could be eject from bottom. These guys spent some serious $$$$$ on their rigs. If they get half way serious with their gear, I'd be totally out class with my sport weight .223rem.

[tommy]

yea but i seen alot of guys who have nice guns and don't even know what to do with them. they buy all kinds of stuff for them and dress them up and talk the talk but can't hit a 4' target 3' away.lol

[Mike Franklin]

I would suggest, based on the amount of stuff ya'll are planning on dragging around with ya, that you invest in one of those little red wagons like you see kids pulling around. Get the balloon wheel type and camo it.

[tommy]

lmao yea i can see pulling a "radio flyer" das why i say stay home . why leave everything you worked so hard to save up???i say shoot it out until you done shot all your ammo and all you got left is whats left in your bug out bags then leave . but man why leave home?? if ya'll do please send me ya'll adress so if i need more ammo i can go to ya'll abandoned houses and get all that stuff ya'll left .

[leomort]

yeah, that was what I was also saying. Seems like most are taking everything but the kitchen sink in regards to their firearms. If you're able to stay put for awhile then have a 12ga shotgun and .223rem rifles, but then when you have to bug out take only the .22lr rifle and 9mm handgun. Those short barrel AR type rifles make a hell alot of noise! No stealth there by any means! I guess if don't have your wife and kids in tow and instead have just a bunch of your brothers and guy friends you can get away with the Rambo stuff.

[tommy]

yea everyone in here is planning on leaving ??? they must not trust anyone around them.lmao. while we are talking about leaving why not move to the location you plan on going to righ now that way you don't have to leave when something like this happens. a mans home is his castle and if he can't stay and feel safe in it then something is wrong .if you don't feel safe in your house now then you need to leave now beceaues you surely ain't gonna feel safe with no power and hoodlums running around when the shtf so make the move now don't wait til it happens becuase thats gonna be to late.

[Muddog]

I personally, maybe others were responding to the original question, "What would you take if you were forced to leave your home in the city and were on foot?" I would stay at my house for as long as possible then drive to where I plan to be, but if I It hits the fan too fast I might have to leave right now. In all honesty, I'm not counting on that by any means, but seeing things that are going on in the world today having a plan for any situation, or at least an idea, puts you a couple steps ahead of the rest.

[tommy]

how far do people plan on traveling to???another state /town/street?? would you be walking /riding? how will you get there?has anyone every drove the route that they plan on takin just incase just to make sure it's a safe one. what looks good on a map ain't so good in reality.

[tlarkin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tommy

how far do people plan on traveling to???another state /town/street?? would you be walking /riding? how will you get there?has anyone every drove the route that they plan on takin just incase just to make sure it's a safe one. what looks good on a map ain't so good in reality.

I have a mountain bike, can go off road and doesn't require gas. Just got to get a real good new set of tires on it, and a few spare parts.

[tommy]

what about the people who plan on takin kids and stuff they might wanna load up a back pack and go hiking for a weekend just to get into shape . talking about leaving and doing it is two diferent things. sure you might have a car for a little while but the you'll have to walk and carry all them things sooner or later. it would be wise to weigh the stuff you plan on taking and load up a back pack with the same plus 15lbs and go hiking. kids get tired wives get tired men get tired i know i do . something you might wanna look into for the bikes and motore mikes and i think they make them for cars too is "tireballs" it makes your tires pretty much flat resistant.

[CATFISHNUGGET]

Personally and this just an opinion.If you live in any type of metropolitian area atlanta NYC LA etc.Most likely in a bugout situation you are already dead before you can get to your bugout gear. Just follow my logic for just a moment please.If you live in one of these areas just think of how hard it is to get home on a normal day.Now mutiply that by wide spread panic brought on by whatever diaster breakdown of power services,law enforcement services, because they will be going home to.Your family members will be spread about doing their daily activities so you will be worried about them.Then multiply the fact that very few ways out of an metropolitian area.If it is some kind of biological disater do you honestly believe that the powers that be will not shut down a city before it spreads?Then add on top of that the two legged animals that already live there they will be completly unchecked.So if you already live in one of these areas i would get out now.Dont wait for a bugout situation.This is just my opinion.

[tommy]

thats what i said in a earlier post look at where you live now and if you don't feel safe and don't plan on staying there then get out now go to your location now and get setup look at the south after katrina the cops surely was not helping us they was uot for themselves it was a free for all. just think if it was nation wide you would never have a chance to get out of a city . look at N.O they blocked off the exits so the people couldn't leave so you have to look at is there a river i have to cross to get out?and if not how many roads will be blocked off if i do manage to get all my stuff into my car and make it to a road. not to mention if your in a car and others are walking you have what they want and need (A CAR) so now you have hundresd if not thousands looking at you and if you stop for a second your a dead man and so is your family and the car is a gonner.if a huge disaster does happen it's not gonna happen slowly it's gonna be quik and after katrina people seen that help isn't gonna come anytime too soon so they goona go crazy . better make a move now my woste fear is the city people that will come out of the cities to get our food and land thats when we gonna have problems we can grow our food but them people in the city they can't plant a seed in cement they gonna want to just rob and take thats when the trouble is gonna start.but i'm ready.i ain't goin no place to much food around here crawfich/fish.animals gardens. the bad thing is i live a mile from a major highway but i got a good rifle and i plan on blockin off some streets and burning some fields for a clear shot so there won't be any surprise visits.

[leomort]

If everyone has to bug out as to the original question, then there are an awful lot of people carrying alot of extra and unnecessary weight. To me if you're bugging out, then your main concern in survival is providing for yourself and family not being involved in shoot-outs with other civilans (or perhaps thugs in this case) or zombies

[bellx1]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LEE3370

I have tryed over and over to give this advice to the folks that live in the city. There is no "wilderness". The land out here is owned by someone and is not going to be free to be taken. There have been lots of conversations in the babershops and gunshops about what to do when SHTF and the flood of hungry city people come. If you all are planning on surviving out here if SHTF comes, you could start by taking a vacation in the area during hunting season and go hunting do this every year. Let the folks that live there get to know you and your family. That way if you ever need to go there, you MIGHT be accepted. Who is going to carry the food and water? Sounds like all the weight is taken up in guns and ammo.

good point, maybe we'd each only carry 2 guns, but hopefully we would be able to find a place in the woods, that we could take shelter in and not have to travel so much.

[Muddog]

It sounds like what Lee was trying to say is that everyone in the city thinks they will find shelter in the woods. How many people are trying to get there and find a small place to stay? All those rural areas you plan on going to will already be overrun, unable to support the masses. Our best bet as city-dwellers is to not be city-dwellers ASAP. If you plan on taking your own spot by force you A. Don't have enough guns B. Don't have enough ammo C. Will lose friends extremely fast with your new neighbors, who, by the way are also armed and very nervous. I've been wrong before but I think he was making more than one point.

[leomort]

This has been a good thread. Everyone posting their opinions and their reasons/justification, but more imporatantly I'm very impressed with how each poster respects the others posters opinion. If any of you been on other webstie forums, you realize how quickly differing opinions can quickly turn into "pissing" matches. Although, I've mostly hung out in the survival Equipment area it appears you guys have a great website. Kudos!

Leo

[tlarkin]

I live in a wide spread metropolitan area. I think if I could get out quick I would, and I know the less used side highways since most of them I use to get out of the city to the rifle ranges around this area. If that were not possible I think I would hunker down, wait a few weeks with the limited supplies I have wait for everyone to get out of my way or kill each other, then bug out.

I have guns and ammo, and typically about 2 to 3 weeks worth of food in my home give or take (if I ration it out it would probably last longer). I think at first sing I would fill my bath tub up with water, just in case running water got cut off, that would give me several weeks worth of water right there.

If I could get out quick I'd do it, but if I were too late and to be stuck with the bottle neck of people escaping I would probably hide out in a safe spot for a while, let it pass over, then go. Avoiding probably all human contact and avoiding any type of confrontation all together.

[rascaldog]

That great philosopher Hank Williams Jr. said it best " a shotgun, a rifle and a 4-wheel drive a country boy can survive ". For me thats a Remington 870 21" barrel with an assortment of choke tubes and different ammo ( slugs, buckshot and #6) a Savage 10 308 with sights and scope. I purposely bought this rifle with sights as an all-purpose rifle so if something were to happen to the scope it is still usable. I don't use see-through mounts on it though. For a handgun it would be my 226 or G17. I hope it never comes to this but I am thankful that there are sights like this that keep us thinking. I know that I am more prepared just by reading these posts. Guy's keep up the good work.

[LEE3370]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Muddog

It sounds like what Lee was trying to say is that everyone in the city thinks they will find shelter in the woods. How many people are trying to get there and find a small place to stay? All those rural areas you plan on going to will already be overrun, unable to support the masses. Our best bet as city-dwellers is to not be city-dwellers ASAP. If you plan on taking your own spot by force you A. Don't have enough guns B. Don't have enough ammo C. Will lose friends extremely fast with your new neighbors, who, by the way are also armed and very nervous. I've been wrong before but I think he was making more than one point.

Oh Yes, and the main point may have been missed.


IF a total breakdown comes (not likely) and you have to go somewhere and survive “off the land”, you should make plans NOW on where that location will be. Don’t just plan on what guns and ammo that you are going to take with you, plan on the WHERE. Visit the area you plan to run to in order to survive and make friends. I will repeat… go there each year on vacation to hunt or fish, let the folks there get to know you and your family. If you wait until you have to grab and run, you may be looked upon as squatters or worse, invaders.
There may be areas that have a lot of “free space” like the Rocky Mountains, but how are the people living on the coasts going to get there.
More than likely some people will stop at the first bunch of woods that they come to on the journey. The folks that own it or live near it are all ready counting on the game that is there for their food and they aren’t going to take too kindly to someone else taking it.
What I am trying to say is that you are going to make plans, don’t just plan on grabbing a bunch of guns and ammo and running amuck through the country side. You are going to run into folks who are not going to like that at all.

[leomort]

Here's a thought for consideration for everyone. What percentage of the population do you think are hunters? Perhaps 10% would be my quess. Thus I don't think the majority of the population would be able to survive off the land. If you're not a hunter, but more a gun nut (using that term affectionally) many have not consider the implication of the importance of other gear and their accompying weigh restrictions. In short, how many people are really going to run into the woods to be squatters trying to survive? Many of the Katrina people just sat their waiting for it. When it did hit, they didn't run into the woods to try to survive, they stayed put and turned to looting their city and neighborhoods to survive. Thus most stayed in "civilization" and didn't turn to the wilderness.