[tommy]

after it taking me years to get the guns and ammo i have i ain't running no place . my home is where i will stay and i will protect it to the last round i have. besides i have a bad back and can't really tote alot of weight so i have no choice but to sling dem rounds from on my own property.

[larmus]

another year and five month old thread resurected from the dead... lol!!! once all the ammo is gone and those that know how to make BP are dead... those of us still alive will revert back to a medevil way of life... swords, sheilds, armour, bow and arrows, spears, maces, morning stars, halbreds... just to name a few... the feudal system will take hold once more or a more militeristic system... general=king so on and so forth down to the last man woman and child...

[R5CYA]

working on my trebuchet right now. ammo for it's as close as the nearest quarry!
and resurrection is ok this month.
it's halloween!

[knightRider]

keep it real i have all along

[slopoke]

Given probable martial law and suspension of civil rights, a .22 LR has the best chance of any gun of surviving confiscation by the athorities and of being left in a common civilian's posession. Ammo and edged weapons will be confiscated items too.

[sea_chicken1]

My weapons wont be confiscated.

[unholybeast143]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Pred

Can someone answer me why a person would want a .22 as their last line of defense?

if i was out of ammo for something substantial, fighting hand to hand and on the ground, i'd much rather have a little belly gun than not. it would be worth taking a couple punches in the face while reaching for a pocket derringer. (my face stopped being pretty years ago)

[MHbushmaster]

Right now, I'd take my STG-58 FAL with the cut down steyr barrel to 18", DSA fiberglass handguards, scope mount for an Eotech 552 and up to 15 mags in my pack.
That is up to 300rds of .308, mostly FMJ, but about 120 of it 150gr Soft Point ammo for controlled expansion in "soft" targets. Its not light, but we don't plan on moving far. With kids, we won't move far at all unless by vehicle.

I'd stick my wife with my M4 and aimpoint CompM2. Its light and she could carry it around daily with the comfy IDF sling we have and she would still be very effective at self defense ranges with it since the Aimpoint makes it a point and shoot interface.

Daily sidearms would be a Sig P226 for me in 9mm and her a G19 or G26 depending upon what she would prefer. She also like a 649-2 J-frame 5shot .38spl for deep concealment.

We have provisions for turning our home into a venerable hidden in plain sight bunker so to speak with food provisions for the better part of a year and water/TP/diapers/spices/and other assorted "essentials" squirelled away for a "rainy" day.

I'd only expect we would leave our home if their was some sort of NBC attack and even then we would travel by truck with the most important gear taken with us. Whatever is left behind would be locked up and hidden as a source for a future cache if needed.

We have .22lr, .30-30, assorted mil surps of all flavors, but above is what would see service with us at this time. Granted, things are always changing and being upgraded so who knows if this will be what we actually use in an emergency. Having multiple options is the name of the game in survival. Don't just have one way to make a fire, don't just have one firearm that you are gonna rely on to do everything, it won't work well for you.

[cjleete]

In shtf scenario you are bringing up, ammo selection for the 5.56 is not limited to ball, so it becomes ideal for an urban scenario, where the extra rounds carried can make the difference between making it out or not. How many times do you need to hit with a 60 gr V-max vs a m855 ball round to stop an attacker?
So my rifle of choice would be my M4 clone, G17, and my 3 inch 629.. for really close encounters.

[MosinRuger]

I would want a pistol, a semi auto rifle and maybe a 12g shotgun.

as for the rifle i would want either an m1 an m1a or an AR.223/5.56

im not sure what kind of pistol or shotgun ill get yet.

[Rex in OTZ]

choice would be a Rossi Puma in .44 magnum, has good range, will knock down bout anything, one can carry allot of ammo in your pockets, the .44 punches bigger hole than a .223 in any platform with way more stopping power. I think the .223 is a wonderfull varmit hunting round if all you wanted to kill was varmits, the .44mag is a good hunting round for deer size game at 100yds.

[TACAV]

One aspect that I dont think anyone has really touched on (if you were forced to leave town on foot) is would you be doing it alone?

I know I wouldn't. I would be going with at least 4 (perhaps as many as 10 depending on certain factors). But again at a bare minimum there would be me, and 3 others.

Other factors to consider when deciding your loadout.

1. What type of environment are you bugging out in?
Urban, Suburban, Rural

2. Where do you plan on going too, and what type of environment do you plan on traversing through?

3. How populated and what type of demographics will you have to move though. Being forced to bug out and move through the Southside of LA, California vs Monument, Kansas might result in you arming yourself differently.

4. Again are you alone, with family, with women or children, is it you Mr. Bachelor with your guy buddies?

5. If you are with others are you all just bringing whatever, anything and everything in terms of firearms? Or do you all own enough to pre plan out designated roles for team members and even go as far as firearm platform compatibility/commonality with each other.

6. Besides weapon commonality have you thought about the pro's and con's of shared group ammunition and caliber commonality.

7. If you have several different people in your group with different weapon systems, (berettas, glocks, 1911s, Ruger .22LR Sigs, AR15s, shotguns, SKS, bolt actions rifle etc)

Does everyone in the group know basic handling and maintenance (enough to clear a malfunction, load, chamber, fire, safety/de cock, or break them down for cleaning) of each type of firearm system in use by the group?

All of these factors and perhaps a few more may ultimately determine what you would "like to bring" vs "what may be better to bring" with you in desperate times.

[MosinRuger]

I just bought a .357 revolver,so, for me, it would be that for SD,i like that it will take .38spcl or .357 which gives more options for ammo. And, my 10/22 for hunting small game and defense if need be, its not much but it is better than nothing and one can carry a great deal of .22 ammo. .357 isnt hard to carry either. I can do without the shotgun, ammo is too big and heavy.

I also have multiple knives and just added to my bug out bag a nice Gerber machete the has a saw on the top of the blade. This can be used for many things including SD.

[LEE3370]

TAVAC,
Where are we going?
To the woods.

How many people?
2, just the wife and me.

What are we taking?
An axe, a couple of knives, a couple of pots, 22 rifle, 22 pistol, 2 bricks of 22lr, & enough supplies for a couple of weeks. In that time I can have a permanent camp set up good enough to live in for awhile.

For how long?
Until someone cleans the fan.

People depending on other people to get by instead of getting by on their own is what got us into this mess to start with.

[stinkybriches]

as to kicking myself and friends and family off public land because the locals already planned on useing it, good luck. we are not the type of people who would take someone elses farm or house, or anything else for that matter by force, but would not be pushed off of public land. what would you really do. when you walked up to a camp and said "your not welcome here" and we responded with "im sorry but our rifles say we are."
do you think anyone recieving that sort of welcome is going to do anything after that but lye in wait for your good old boy posse to ride in. just think about it. it doesnt end well for the good old boy posse. you would be much better of with, "hey, we see your sticking it out here. well, me and some other people would be willing to trade hot showers and the use of our laundry machines for meat and furs."

[AllAlaskan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by stinkybriches

as to kicking myself and friends and family off public land because the locals already planned on useing it, good luck. we are not the type of people who would take someone elses farm or house, or anything else for that matter by force, but would not be pushed off of public land. what would you really do. when you walked up to a camp and said "your not welcome here" and we responded with "im sorry but our rifles say we are." do you think anyone recieving that sort of welcome is going to do anything after that but lye in wait for your good old boy posse to ride in. just think about it. it doesnt end well for the good old boy posse. you would be much better of with, "hey, we see your sticking it out here. well, me and some other people would be willing to trade hot showers and the use of our laundry machines for meat and furs."

Well there are some crazy people out there who might just shoot you for your place, keep in mind if the shtf there are ganna be some real wackos running around!

[Dragunov]

SKS, AR15 and an SU16.
My weapons will not be confiscated. My ammo will be confiscated one round from the business end at a time. After ammo runs out, I can make swords and knives out of files and leaf springs. I can make a decent crossbow w/a sinew bowstring and real decent bolts from scratch. I'll never be unarmed.

With that said, I have three choices. The mountains are a 30 minute drive up 80, I have a friend with property there.

My aunt lives in Anderson. Two hour drive up 5 or three on backroads, or I can stay at home as I live in the outer "burbs". If I go to my friends place in the mountains, I'll take food, ammo, guns and camping gear. If I go to my aunts, I'll take food, ammo and guns as the camping equipment won't be needed. If I stay at home, I have several thousand rounds for each weapon, my food and water is here and I'd be VERY difficult to remove. We are in the process of forming a neighborhood militia here where I live that seems to be going well as everyone looks to me for leadership and are very good at taking and executing orders.

What will I do when SHTF? I don't know and won't know until it happens.

[Deersniper]

Realize also that 1/3 rd of all land is owned by the government, and now Cartels are growing pot in most of our national forests. So small communities of close friends would be a good option IF you have to bug.

[CrazyIvan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by maarten221

What would you take if you were forced to leave your home in the city and were on foot? Personally, because of space and commonality issues, I'd take a kel-tec carbine and a pistol chambered in the same calibre. Or maybe the 5.56mm kel-tec carbine? What would you consider to be the ultimate firearms kit? Thus far, this is what I have: Glock 19 Kel-tec sub2k using G19 magazines .22 conversion for the G19 500rds .22 ammo 250 rounds 9mm 4 magazines for the carbine, 2 for the pistol and 2 for the .22 conversion

Here is my OSBOK (Oh Sh*t Bug Out Kit) weapon-wise:

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[stinkybriches]

it wont just be wacko's. hordes of starving people roaming around, just trying to survive. i can just imagin what a place like new york or chicago would be like with no food, power or fresh water for an extended period of time. it would most likely be urban warfare until most of the people starved. sadly the already established gangs would probobly survive the longest, as they are already armed and used to taking anything they want by force.