[ArkansasHunter]

billy if you have that saying printed on a bumper sticker, I'll buy 4 of them.
Think of the money you'd make at gun shows selling them !

MY 1911 is faster than calling 911 !

[Idaho Dave]

interesting thread makes me glad i moved to the country. some ideas, though mentioned by others, to keep in mind. where you going? I'm a firm believer in always having an escape plan from anyplace, I know where im going to and how to get there. Keep in mind you won't be welcome in someplaces, and you're not the only one thinking about running to the hills (so you probably won't be the first one there) Is leaving better then staying? We have stuff (supplies) to get us and ours and a few others by for quite a while. We also have plans for bug out packs and know the moutains in our back yard. But, our property is very defendable and our nearest nieghbors would most certainly be brothers in arms (there is strenght in numbers). If any help were to come from any remaining government agency/religious organizations it would probably come to large urban areas long before the montains and folk like us.
that said having things to trade for help and information is very important too. knives, a little booze, tp, battries, lighters, medications things people didnt think to grab as they ran out gun in hand. as for guns, me the wife, the 4 kids would each carry a handgun and a long gun and we have lots of ammo for all (like i always tell the kids a gun without ammo is a pretty stick and a pistol with out ammo is an expensive hammer). if you are thinking of making some kind of trek accross the land you would want to carry weapons with common cals. there is probably a billion rounds of .22lr that are sold every where from walmart to hardware stores and can be for pistol and rifle. 12 gage shotgun is a good common round as are .06, .223, 7.62x39, 3030. as for hand guns 9mm and 45 are pretty comon but think of the good old .357 mag revolver it can shoot .357 or .38 special. that is nice if you need versatility. you can also get carbines chambered for the 357 mag that will also shoot a .38. they will kill a deer or a man.
as far as shooting people, I would leave that as a last resort. in most cases I think everyone would be just as scared as you. I would definatly try to avoid people as much as possible, but if I had to interact with others I would be cautious, vigilant, but friendly. that would be easier if you were with a small group and someone always had your back.
in a fire fight the guys with the home court have a great advantage and if you're out wandering that isn't gonna be you. Pulling a hammer on someone who might have been a friend is foollish and probably a death sentance. us country boys shoot everyday and always come in groups.
hope it never comes to you having to do what you are planning for but I respect your having the plan just in case.

"I got a rifle and a shotgun and a four wheel drive, and a country boy can survive" Hank Williams Jr.

[ludwig1138]

Quote:       Originally Posted by just_a_car

check out Old_Painless over on The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - Page 1 I love that site, as it has a lot of "unofficial" ammo penetration testing,

That is a great site. I had never heard of it, thanks for posting that link.

[bored2bhere]

I would take a bolt action rifle in 223 and a 22 pistol I would take 100 rounds of 223 and 2000 rounds of 22 ammo the reason is because a 22 is perfect for potting small game . as far as gear a, knife a small tent a canteen a small kettle and flint for fire a compass and a pack to carry it all not mention a multitool

[ikeSTP]

Here is another "unofficial ammo testing site" http://stoppingpower.info.

As for what I would bring, well, I guess that it would depend on the situation. If zombies take over the planet, then I think that I quickly grab a mini-14 or other .223 for my first choice. It is easier to carry a lot of ammo than with a bigger caliber and still packs a pretty good punch. I am also going to carry my Glock 23 for those dark hallways!

If it is just a regular Armageddon and there are lots of people running around, I think that I am going to pick a round that is fairly available but not very popular. I don't want to have to compete with everyone else for ammo. in this case I think that I might take a .300 Savage. Most large stores carry some ammo but it is pretty hard to find a gun anymore. But, I am still takin' my 23!

[Specter]

My Savage 340C, a ghillie suit,a good knife and what 29er savoy said "an escape and evasion mind set"

[ikeSTP]

Quote:      

Originally Posted by just_a_car check out Old_Painless over on The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - Page 1 I love that site, as it has a lot of "unofficial" ammo penetration testing,

Here is another interesting "unofficial" testing site StoppingPower.Info

I guess my gun selection would depend a little on the type of Armageddon we are talking about. If it is a zombie Armageddon, then I am definitely taking weapons for CQC. You know how those zombies are, you never can see them until you are locked in dark basement or something. I want a 12 ga. shotgun, my Glock 23 for backup and a baseball bat/ax handle for backup backup. It would also be handy to some sort of rifle for catchin' dinner maybe a .223.

Now, if it is your regular run of the mill Armageddon, then I absolutely want something with more punch. Initially my first choice would have probably been something like .308. It is very popular and ammo should be pretty easy to come by. Then I started thinking that everyone and their brother has a .308, ammo is gonna get tight real soon. So I want something less popular, but could still be found in most larger stores. I decided on the .300 Savage. It is not as popular but it's ballistics are similar to .308. Of course I am keeping my Glock and ax handle!

Alien Armageddon, well that is an entirely different problem! Probably have to move it to it's own thread.

[Midas]

I would bring a 12 gauge with 100 rounds, a .308 with 100 rounds, and a 44 mag pistol with 100 rounds.

[knightRider]

ak 47 , kimber 1911 , and my mac 10 for back up , and my S&W 15 oz 38 sp for backup for my back up

[knightRider]

ak 47 the most reliable rifle ever made!

[SwedeSteve]

You will take what u have! Scavenge what u need along the way, and get gone to the most inhospitable terrain possible. That is if u r truly interested in SURVIVING, and not getting to the next level.
Once secured, and time has passed, u have time to evaluate the tactical situation, develope a follow-on plan and get down to things at hand.
The real discussion should be what do you have PREPACKED (A-Bag) to move out with on foot (worst-case scenario), and what is packed (B-Bag) if you have transportation.
Ideal weapons are the ones u own and can hit with! If you r being driven from your home u wanna HIDE. Forming "bands" is preferrable unless there is an organized OPFOR, in which case the smaller the "footprint", the better. Confrontation means your downfall in most situations.
Weapon calbers/combo's discussed here are all great ones. I've killed a deer with a .22LR pistol b4, and killed a mallard with a 7mm Mag in a downed aircraft situation. If u have to kill someone, u screwed up, but I guess it is an eventuallity.
Ive packed 2ea 22LR's (rifle&pistol) w/ 2ea 500rd bricks; a 1911 w/ 57rds; an AK47 w/ 180rds; and a Swede M38 w/detachable scope and 40 rounds. This is 4 a family of 3. Most imprtantly, Lee Load-Alls, bullets, powder, and primers for all centerfire weapons.

[JohnMcD348]

To mee the question comes down to what you need to do and what you TRULY expect to do compared to what might happen. Is your survival situation one where you have to fight house to house in order to survive? Do you just need to procure meat for the table? That would require two different type of firearms and two different mentalities and abilities to deploy. HtH: AK or AR with 9mm or 45ACP as backup/self defense weapon. MotT: .22lr with a large box of ammo in the pocket with any sidearm you have at hand.

[Neanderthal]

The only reason I could see for the .22 is it's better to hit a threat with 5 or 6 perfectly placed shots with a .22 than to miss with a .45 or .357, etc. Many people who own high powered handguns are not good with them. Also fire a .45 in the dark and your pupils will constrict and you will not be able to see anything for a while-not good. Try it.

[DamageFactor]

Reliability is key here, being able to fire craptastic ammo with a filthy weapon is comforting. Sometimes you can't avoid shooting a dirty weapon in a survival situation.

The 7.62x39 IMHO is a very utilitarian round, a good SKS or AK with a parts kit is not a bad bugout rifle. While an SKS isn't an excellent weapon for specific purpose, it does most things well enough. Just don't "bubba" it out. It simply isn't an AK, don't try making it into one.

They just don't fill the shotgun role, which is why I would suggest having a simple shot gun on hand.

A large calibre revolver would top my list off. A semiauto is nice, (perhaps even preferential in an urban enviornment) but there are risks you don't have in a revolver.

Thats my take, but the city is the last place I will be during chaos.

Anyone have a matched combo? Ala Braztech - Rossi? They look like a great setup to have "just in case"... Like a .223/20Gauge combo...

or

TheGunSource: ROSSI S2022243RS 20/243/22LR BL YTH

If I had to go right now, I would grab my Pump Shotty, SKS, and 92FS...

[bravo30]

to be honest id prob grab my cz-52 and hungarian amd-65 .. dont ask why but that damn cz-52 is addictive ... id feel comfortable goin out to 100yds with it no problem an i love the pentration it offers and the ak well its an ak so go figure .. rugged, powerfull etc etc

[demented]

Here, if I need to take shot over 100 yards means I was stupid enough to be caught walking across someones cow pasture. I would plan on fighting only if necessary, plan on choosing when this occurs, and where. I'll carry my 870 RC model, 21" barrel and some buckshot and slugs for fighting and perhaps for taking deer and such. I figure staying fed will be my first priority, so having enough shot loads for small game would be important. I doubt I'd bother with a handgun, other items for survival would be more valuable since I can only carry so much weight. On second thought, my Smith 642 and two or three reloads won't add too much.

[A-10]

Quote:       Originally Posted by demented

Here, if I need to take shot over 100 yards means I was stupid enough to be caught walking across someones cow pasture. I would plan on fighting only if necessary, plan on choosing when this occurs, and where. I'll carry my 870 RC model, 21" barrel and some buckshot and slugs for fighting and perhaps for taking deer and such. I figure staying fed will be my first priority, so having enough shot loads for small game would be important. I doubt I'd bother with a handgun, other items for survival would be more valuable since I can only carry so much weight. On second thought, my Smith 642 and two or three reloads won't add too much.

Always have a back-up.

[ezearln]

I take mild offense at your post Neanderthal, many people who own powerful handguns are quite proficient with them. Not by any means all of them but many. Also as a retired combat instructor I HAVE shot the M1911A1 .45 in the dark and trained several hundreds of others to do so as well. Used to refer to it as "Nightfire". and was and still am quite proficient in that skill. Worse than taking that shot in near total darkness, try it while being exposed to stobe or halogen lights comming from several sources at once. Up to it? Point is regardless of your choices for defensive or meat gathering firearms proficiency is essential, practice and drill does make perfect. When your action and reaction become ingrained as muscle memory then you are ready.

[genwinters]

marpat uniform, an m14 or socom 16 in .308, kimber desert warrior .45, ruger mkII .22. ar-15 in .223 maybe.

kifaru backpacking gear and gunbearing holster. check their stuff out KIFARU HUNTING & MILITARY GEAR. GI coldweather sleeping apparatus if needed. Fire starter, tinder, water filter, hopefully a kifaru tipi, if not a the british small shelter, garbage bags, pictures of my family and stuff that instills hope, bible and a good piece of literature. a journal and pen/pencil, radio and a signal mirror

Kabar 7", kabar desert mule folder. gerber folding shovel and camp axe. 3 days worth of MREs are camelback 100oz, a 2 quart canteen. 5 spare mags for .45,5 spares for ruger and 10 mags for the m14. lots of weight but dont want to be caught with my trousers at my ankles

[gunney_m]

sawed off 12gauge and 9mm semiauto.