High Plains

CrazyIvan · 01-09-2007, 06:24 PM

Hey guys, I was going to make this a general Clothing thread, but figured maybe after we discuss one climate for a while, we could make another thread for another climate.

I live in Colorado. I don't plan on retreating to the mountains where every Tom, Dick & Harry will be going. But, I plan on staying in the High Plains, above 4500-5000 feet above sea level and heading North toward Canada.

What do you guys think is the best survival clothing for this type of climate which reaches pretty much from here in Denver all the way North along the front range of the Rocky Mountains up to and through Canada.

This includes Clothing Accessories (Vests, packs, etc...), Boots/shoes, socks, pants, shirts, hats, gloves, etc....

EDIT: Just to give you an idea:

Average Summer Temperature: 62 degrees F. (This includes night temperatures)
Averate Winter Temperature: 35-40 degrees F.

Ground cover is generally no more than knee high and ground is generally solidly packed, but can contain many thorny plants/flowers and short (4"-8" high) cacti.

Animals which may effect clothing choice:
Rattle Snakes (Many others, but these are generally the only ones here which are poisonous)
Bears (Black and occassional Grizzly up North)
Ticks/Chiggers
Mosquitos
Fleas
black ants (& some kind of highland large red ant, not fire ants, but i dont know what they are)
Black Widows, Hobo Spiders, Wolf Spiders (Generally the most poisonous here)
Variety of Bees, Wasps and Hornets
Field Mice
Porcupine

burd1959 · 01-09-2007, 07:31 PM

you never know when the shtf winter gear should be included with temps below -30 degrees if im not mistaken and a sleep bag rated for such

frozentorso · 01-09-2007, 10:03 PM

Seems to me you would wear the same things you would wear when you hunt in those climates. I can understand wearing chaps where cactus and mequite are thick, but clothing for specific wildlife? Bears? I once saw Al Bundy on "Married With Children" make a jacket covered with fishing hooks to try and escape a bear, the old "Coat 'O' Hooks". Really funny.

Mooseman684 · 01-09-2007, 10:52 PM

A Great pair of boots is a must, pair of Running shoes too.
2nd. Insulated Carhart Coveralls, warm to -30f, Tough as nails, can be waterproofed, and Camouflaged. ( I prefer to carry a Camo Slicker additionally)! I haven't found anything Tougher here in Alaska.
Rich

CrazyIvan · 01-09-2007, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frozentorso

Seems to me you would wear the same things you would wear when you hunt in those climates. I can understand wearing chaps where cactus and mequite are thick, but clothing for specific wildlife? Bears? I once saw Al Bundy on "Married With Children" make a jacket covered with fishing hooks to try and escape a bear, the old "Coat 'O' Hooks". Really funny.

Surviving outdoors while trying to flee the area on foot is different than sitting in a 1-mile radius hunting area where you can retreat back to your heated cabin in the evening, have tea and crumpets followed by a fresh trout dinner and some chex mix.

educatedhorse_2 · 01-09-2007, 11:40 PM

This is a very interesting question

I have thought a lot about this exact question

I believe I would try and do what they did in the days of old.
leathers and fur. It worked very well for the mountain men and the indians.

The most important aspect that you need to remember is no to start sweeting to much of a good thing is harmful.

CrazyIvan · 01-09-2007, 11:46 PM

Well, extra socks is always a must in any climate, so I've heard.

Leathers and Fur is a good idea, but where would you get that kind of clothing? Do you make it yourself? Do you buy it? Not saying it's bad, I am just interested, cause it is a good idea that I might like to revert to.

educatedhorse_2 · 01-09-2007, 11:50 PM

I am very big into rendovous and stuff like that. It is very easy to learn to make the clothes.

Mooseman684 · 02-08-2007, 11:22 PM

Americans don't agree with dogs and cats being used to make garments sold in the U.S. So why then are coats from major designers being found to include the fur of our companion animals?

Congressman Moran leads press conference
to introduce Dog and Cat Fur Act

Recently, an investigative team from the Humane Society of the United States catalogued repeated abuses by major department stores and designers.

Nordstrom's, Tommy Hilfiger and Bluefly.com all were found to be advertising as faux, jackets trimmed with fur from domestic dog. J.C. Penney was found to be selling raccoon dog fur mislabeled as raccoon. When confronted, the retailer merely blacked out the name of the species on the label and returned the coats to the sales rack.

Designers found to be selling dog fur include well-known brands such as Diddy's Sean John, Jay-Z's Rocawear, Beyoncé Knowles' Deréon, Calvin Klein, Andrew Marc, Michael Kors, Oscar de la Renta, Bogner, Baby Phat and DKNY. Many designers and retailers immediately pulled the products including: Deréon, Macy's, Rocawear and Sean John. Rocawear and Sean John pledged not to use raccoon dog fur in the future, and Calvin Klein went ever further announcing it will phase out the use of all fur.

It is illegal to import, export, sell or advertise any domestic dog or cat fur in the United States. But unfortunately for consumers and the animals involved, garment labels only have to identify a product's fur if the value of the fur used exceeds $150.

Label from a coat found in JC Penney containing raccoon dog fur that was labeled raccoon. When confronted with the information, instead of pulling the coats off the racks, employees used a marker to black out the word raccoon
on the label.

That's a loophole in the federal law big enough to drive a truck through. I have teamed up with HSUS to introduce bipartisan legislation "The Cat and Dog Fur Prohibition Enforcement Act" that would close the fur loophole and also add the "raccoon dog" - a canine species commonly found in China - to the list of dogs protected under current law.

Americans have the right to know what went into the production of the clothes they buy. Cats and dogs are companion animals, not accoutrements for the latest fashion line.

Our legislation to close this consumer misinformation loophole has over 25 original cosponsors. In the coming months, I plan to work on building even more support to make this legislation law. To learn more about the HSUS fur investigation please feel free to visit Fur and Trapping | The Humane Society of the United States for more information.

billy · 02-14-2007, 09:16 PM

the same thing i wear when im working outside (i live in the high desert)boots jacket longjohns ect.

01-09-2007, 06:24 PM	#1
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,583	High Plains - Best Clothing for survival? Hey guys, I was going to make this a general Clothing thread, but figured maybe after we discuss one climate for a while, we could make another thread for another climate. I live in Colorado. I don't plan on retreating to the mountains where every Tom, Dick & Harry will be going. But, I plan on staying in the High Plains, above 4500-5000 feet above sea level and heading North toward Canada. What do you guys think is the best survival clothing for this type of climate which reaches pretty much from here in Denver all the way North along the front range of the Rocky Mountains up to and through Canada. This includes Clothing Accessories (Vests, packs, etc...), Boots/shoes, socks, pants, shirts, hats, gloves, etc.... EDIT: Just to give you an idea: Average Summer Temperature: 62 degrees F. (This includes night temperatures) Averate Winter Temperature: 35-40 degrees F. Ground cover is generally no more than knee high and ground is generally solidly packed, but can contain many thorny plants/flowers and short (4"-8" high) cacti. Animals which may effect clothing choice: Rattle Snakes (Many others, but these are generally the only ones here which are poisonous) Bears (Black and occassional Grizzly up North) Ticks/Chiggers Mosquitos Fleas black ants (& some kind of highland large red ant, not fire ants, but i dont know what they are) Black Widows, Hobo Spiders, Wolf Spiders (Generally the most poisonous here) Variety of Bees, Wasps and Hornets Field Mice Porcupine Last edited by CrazyIvan; 01-09-2007 at 11:54 PM.

01-09-2007, 10:03 PM	#3
frozentorso Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North East Texas Posts: 593	Seems to me you would wear the same things you would wear when you hunt in those climates. I can understand wearing chaps where cactus and mequite are thick, but clothing for specific wildlife? Bears? I once saw Al Bundy on "Married With Children" make a jacket covered with fishing hooks to try and escape a bear, the old "Coat 'O' Hooks". Really funny. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry. Thats just my game!"

01-09-2007, 10:52 PM	#4
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness...Currently in Holiday, Fla. Posts: 11,008 Images: 2	A Great pair of boots is a must, pair of Running shoes too. 2nd. Insulated Carhart Coveralls, warm to -30f, Tough as nails, can be waterproofed, and Camouflaged. ( I prefer to carry a Camo Slicker additionally)! I haven't found anything Tougher here in Alaska. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

02-08-2007, 11:22 PM	#9
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness...Currently in Holiday, Fla. Posts: 11,008 Images: 2	FYI..Clothing related... Americans don't agree with dogs and cats being used to make garments sold in the U.S. So why then are coats from major designers being found to include the fur of our companion animals? Congressman Moran leads press conference to introduce Dog and Cat Fur Act Recently, an investigative team from the Humane Society of the United States catalogued repeated abuses by major department stores and designers. Nordstrom's, Tommy Hilfiger and Bluefly.com all were found to be advertising as faux, jackets trimmed with fur from domestic dog. J.C. Penney was found to be selling raccoon dog fur mislabeled as raccoon. When confronted, the retailer merely blacked out the name of the species on the label and returned the coats to the sales rack. Designers found to be selling dog fur include well-known brands such as Diddy's Sean John, Jay-Z's Rocawear, Beyoncé Knowles' Deréon, Calvin Klein, Andrew Marc, Michael Kors, Oscar de la Renta, Bogner, Baby Phat and DKNY. Many designers and retailers immediately pulled the products including: Deréon, Macy's, Rocawear and Sean John. Rocawear and Sean John pledged not to use raccoon dog fur in the future, and Calvin Klein went ever further announcing it will phase out the use of all fur. It is illegal to import, export, sell or advertise any domestic dog or cat fur in the United States. But unfortunately for consumers and the animals involved, garment labels only have to identify a product's fur if the value of the fur used exceeds $150. Label from a coat found in JC Penney containing raccoon dog fur that was labeled raccoon. When confronted with the information, instead of pulling the coats off the racks, employees used a marker to black out the word raccoon on the label. That's a loophole in the federal law big enough to drive a truck through. I have teamed up with HSUS to introduce bipartisan legislation "The Cat and Dog Fur Prohibition Enforcement Act" that would close the fur loophole and also add the "raccoon dog" - a canine species commonly found in China - to the list of dogs protected under current law. Americans have the right to know what went into the production of the clothes they buy. Cats and dogs are companion animals, not accoutrements for the latest fashion line. Our legislation to close this consumer misinformation loophole has over 25 original cosponsors. In the coming months, I plan to work on building even more support to make this legislation law. To learn more about the HSUS fur investigation please feel free to visit Fur and Trapping \| The Humane Society of the United States for more information. __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

01-09-2007, 07:31 PM	#2
burd1959 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: burton michigan Posts: 608	you never know when the shtf winter gear should be included with temps below -30 degrees if im not mistaken and a sleep bag rated for such

01-09-2007, 11:40 PM	#6
educatedhorse_2 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Wyoming Posts: 47	This is a very interesting question I have thought a lot about this exact question I believe I would try and do what they did in the days of old. leathers and fur. It worked very well for the mountain men and the indians. The most important aspect that you need to remember is no to start sweeting to much of a good thing is harmful.

01-09-2007, 11:46 PM	#7
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,583	Well, extra socks is always a must in any climate, so I've heard. Leathers and Fur is a good idea, but where would you get that kind of clothing? Do you make it yourself? Do you buy it? Not saying it's bad, I am just interested, cause it is a good idea that I might like to revert to.

01-09-2007, 11:50 PM	#8
educatedhorse_2 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Wyoming Posts: 47	I am very big into rendovous and stuff like that. It is very easy to learn to make the clothes.

02-14-2007, 09:16 PM	#10
billy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 15,768 Images: 10 Blog Entries: 158	the same thing i wear when im working outside (i live in the high desert)boots jacket longjohns ect.