Whats gonna happen?

[frozentorso]

I realize having a plan for an emergency is a good idea. I have one. I'm prepared for the next Katrina, more accurately massive tornado's and flooding here in TX. You'll definitely be intitled to an "I told you so" if a nuclear war is started, and maybe I'm just enjoying life too much to believe its gonna happen, but some of you guys sound like your convinced the end is coming. And I was a Scout, so I'm hip to "Be Prepared". So the question is: What are you anticipating? Be honest! We've all seen the replies about heading for the hills and N. blasts wiping out electronics. Whats gonna happen AND what do you think the chances are that it will? Here's my thoughts: 0.00001 % chance of nuclear war(have you seen the nuclear clock lately? 15 minutes to midnight!). 1% chance of terrorist attack and 1% chance of major hurricanes, tornadoes, and floods, some casualties, shortages of food and water, no electricity, I'm staying put, I help my friends and nieghbors, and I kill nobody. Except maybe a terrorist.

[Mooseman684]

IF we knew what to anticipate, we could concentrate on just that, I anticipate combinations of actions, one fueling the other. Asteroid Strike, World Economy Crash, Nuclear is a higher probability now with Terrorists bent on The destruction of America, Invasion, Chem/ Bio attack, Fuel War, WW3, Internal Civil war, Earthquake, Tidalwaves, Volcanic action, Global Ice age,
Gangs, Zombies, Democrats, those you can prepare for!..But, Some things you just can't prepare for...Like loss of Atmosphere, Poisoned atmosphere,loss of gravity, All water Contaminated, some !!!!!! building a planet killer Bomb, or The Sun Exploding or Dying.
Thats My story and I'm ready best I can Be !!!
Rich

[CrazyIvan]

Considering the massive gash in our Southern border, it is highly likely that the equipment for a terrorist nuke(s) is already here. On September 10, 2001, did you think we were insecure enough to be attacked as we were in New York? And, that was somewhat a small attack in the sceme of things. A 5Kt nuke would be something easily transported via truck from Mexico and parked in Downtown Santa Fe, Phoenix or Flagstaff, even here in Denver.

I am young, but if I learned anything from 9/11, it is that this country is not prepared for an assault on our borders or on our soil. We believe our soil is inpenetrable. We believe our government is smart and would never let a full-on assault happen to us. Well, not me...the government will save no one. While you get shot at and killed, your wives and daughters raped and murdered, the politicians will be retreated to underground bunkers where they have the ultimate BoBs and BiBs.
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EDIT: See, the govt. prepared for a disaster for them, but they have done nearly nothing for us. While they built an underground bunker able to sustain 2000 government and military heads and leaders, they have done nothing to secure our borders. Everything they have done in regards to terrorism has been to keep them in power, to keep them safe and to keep anyone who opposes them out of their way (Arresting, moving, and fining those who disagree with Bush and try to get into speeches, near the marches, etc...)
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You want to sit idly by and believe you are perfectly safe, go right ahead...if it happens, I feel no pity for people who are in denial.

Now, don't get me wrong, I don't go around like a zombie only thinking about nuclear holocaust and attacks, but it is in the back of my mind and I do have the brains to prepare for it. People like me and others who think like I do don't sit at home in a padded room affraid of getting hurt. Then some other people like me seek some adventure in our lives, something we can live for. I know I don't want to go to work almost every day for the next 60 years, I would hope I would accomplish more than that. Not saying I want to be attacked, but you know what I mean.

Don't listen to Limbaugh, don't listen to our government, both whom create this false sense of security and blame everything on the left. And, don't listen to the left-wing extremists who divert attention from the real issues and then blame everything on the right. Pay attention to the stories out there, not the agenda behind them, notice for yourself the similarities and the links between them, and you will see that an attack on us, at some level, is eminent within the next 2 to 5 years. Yea, we could party it down not worrying about anything for the next 2 years...but...then it goes back to the old saying:

I'd rather be prepared for something than not be prepared for anything.

[educatedhorse_2]

I can not honestly answer this question. For I do not now the answer.
I will however take a guess.
I believe that someday we will be invaded.

Now as far as being prepared goes I was a boy scout growing up.

I like to plan for the worst and hope for the best.

[Habakkuk21]

I read an interesting article very recently that analyzed widespread threats to survival man-made and natural. It also discussed the most commonly expressed solutions, all of which were versions of 'bug-out bag, head for the hills, live off the land.'
Many excellent points made, including:
how are you going to stop the other people from killing you and taking your bug-out bag;
how are you going to establish and defend your claim to the isolated place in the hills, particularly since lots of others will also have picked out that place;
have you any idea just how difficult it is to live off the land? Particularly in the aftermath of (plug in your Ragnarok-of-choice)?
Now, after reading the well-written, logical treatise to this point, I was expecting the conclusion to be: Eat your gun, because you will not suffer as long that way. Not so, not so!
Short & sweet: pick out a small town & move there NOW.
Fully explained: BACKPACK SURVIVAL

[Big Dog]

My two biggest threat issues are a massive Hurricane and world-wide crash of socio-economic systems. Each would result in serious survival situations.
Not much I can do right now regarding nukes, meteors or Zombies.

[Pred]

Your #1 priority should be guns, ammo, and knowing how to use them. Anything else can be..... acquired.

[.22guy]

Originally Posted by Habakkuk21

I read an interesting article very recently that analyzed widespread threats to survival man-made and natural. It also discussed the most commonly expressed solutions, all of which were versions of 'bug-out bag, head for the hills, live off the land.'
Many excellent points made, including:
how are you going to stop the other people from killing you and taking your bug-out bag;
how are you going to establish and defend your claim to the isolated place in the hills, particularly since lots of others will also have picked out that place;
have you any idea just how difficult it is to live off the land? Particularly in the aftermath of (plug in your Ragnarok-of-choice)?
Now, after reading the well-written, logical treatise to this point, I was expecting the conclusion to be: Eat your gun, because you will not suffer as long that way. Not so, not so!
Short & sweet: pick out a small town & move there NOW.
Fully explained: BACKPACK SURVIVAL

Well, reading that convinced me I'm pretty much screwed. Oh well, can't hurt to be as prepared as possible. Good stuff to think about in the article anyways.....

[frozentorso]

I was right there with you, Ivan, untill the part about our women being raped. Who's gonna do the raping? That is purely inflamitory. Who's gonna invade this country of armed citizens? The Vikings? Ghengis Khan? I suggest we citizens could handle that invasion without the army.

I get a little suspicious when someone says "dont listen to so-and-so...". I say listen to all sides. Thats the best way to form an objective opinion. I also agree there are way to many career politicians. But you make it sound like once they make it to Washington they dont care if we live or die! Remember, if Washington wasnt full of honorable politicians you wouldnt have half the freedoms you enjoy now.

I'd be willing to say a small nuke is definitely possible and probably the worst thing that will happen. Even with planning, survival is still a role of the dice depending on where you are and where it happens.

[killer]

We had some gas stations run out of fuel in Minnesota not to long ago. People got ugly fast. It surprised me how fast.

I worked at the postal service in a plant during Y2K and if half of the predictions had come true about Y2K, there was no doubt in my mind within hours some of those very disturbed postal people would have been raping and pillaging.

Looting will occur. Bad people who didn't stock pile food and ammo will be breaking into our favorite gun shops taking guns and ammo and then taking whatever they want. The scum, the druggies, the losers, will make themselves the law.

People will be flocking to you for protection, food, and water. Starving, sick men, women, and children will be begging you for anything. If you can hide out for a few months most of them will be dead from starvation. But what does survive will be mostly evil.



There is a forum out there pretty much centered around SHTF: Survival Monkey Forums

Seems like every plan I look at though is full of flaws.

[ruger22com]

If society breaks down...all you can do is head to the country, have much guns and ammo...and a source for shelter, water and food.

If you stay in the city...you will eventually die.

in the city...you can't run a trout line
in the city...you can't hunt small game
in the city...you can't hide food and water...and both will run out.

I lived through Katrina, and most people not killed by the storm surge eventually survived...and if any died, it was in the breakdown of society afterwards that killed them....not the storm.

[Deersniper]

Imagine the opening scene of the first Terminator movie. The detention camps in Red Dawn. This country reminds me of the Titanic. To hold up the dollar, the Administration has started liquidating our infrastructure secured by imminent domain. People have begun forming SECURE patriot communities in Texas and all over the U.S. If any thing big happens again, it will be martial law, and you saw what happened in Katrina, they are still trying to get their property back. You have to be out before it happens, 200 miles from the cities. Complacency is deadly. What if the drop of the twin towers were a plan to bilk Congress and the people out of Trillions of dollars? Marvin Bush was the head of the security company that wired them before it happened. If it doesn't happen, well you've got a great little place to hunt.

[Midas]

Where's Pred when you need him?

[Pred]

If the SHTF each and every one of us better be ready, willing, and able to kill. Trust no one except yourself, and maybe your wife. When people are faced with life or death situations they do crazy things, and this could include your family. If they know you have food and water, they will come looking for handouts. If you refuse, they could and would turn on your as quick as anyone else. You also better be able to kill for supplies as easily as you would to defend them.

[billy]

torso im with you on this one i will stay put and defend /help/arm my pacifist friends and neighbors.

btw, i dont WANT to live through a nuclear holocaust! what for? so i can die of radiation poisoning from eating or drinking anything that isnt buried with me? i live not too far from NORAD . my 2cts.

[frozentorso]

Oh I'm listening, all right. Imagine the opening scene in Star Wars or Men in Black. Also fiction. The 'administration' hasnt begun liquidating anything as pertaining to immenent domain. Liberal Supreme Court Justices have done that. Justices I believe were all appointed by Democrats, with the exception of Suiter. I live in Texas. And we've had SECURE communities since the Alamo. Who is Marvin Bush, and to whom did he wire what?

What really scares me is paranoid people who will believe anything they hear, such as there were no Jews in the Towers when they fell, the oil pipelines in Iraq are leading AWAY from the sea ports, Bush sent Katrina to kill the black man, etc. GOOD LORD! If I really believed half of that propaganda, I wouldnt be planning on surviving, I'd just haul off and end it now! Thank God I have better things to do. In the event of a catastrophe I'm going to stay right here and help anyone I can, because thats the kind of man I am, and thats how this great country was formed! If theres a nuke close to me I'm going to leave my actions in Gods hands. And NOBODY is stupid enough to invade this country, unless they land in Boston or San Fransisco.

And I dont think anyone else wants there property in New Orleans back. They seem to like Texas much better. Just look at the rising crime rates here.

[Chris]

I was listening to Neil Borts yesterday and he was reading from an article Newt Gingrich wrote stating that in the next 5-8 years we can expect a nuclear device to be detonated on US soil. This would be SHTF, as society would break down and kill each other.

The greatest nation on earth brought down by the people that live there.

A little far fetched...maybe.

[Pred]

I'm 100% sure a nuke will go off on our soil by 2012. With the open borders to our south, the increasing heat between us and Iran, and the situation in Iraq, it wouldn't be to hard for someone to smuggle a small nuke into a major southern city like Dallas. We all need to be as ready for the worst as we can. A little money set aside, weapons and ammo. Clothes for all seasons, and some basic survival gear. As someone said, if and when a nuke goes off, this country is going to go down fast. There is not enough police/military to contain us all, and what I think will happen is the entire country will come under martial law, with all weapons being taken away in big cities. The smaller towns will fend for themselves, kind of like the show Jericho.

[CrazyIvan]

Originally Posted by frozentorso

I was right there with you, Ivan, untill the part about our women being raped. Who's gonna do the raping? That is purely inflamitory. Who's gonna invade this country of armed citizens? The Vikings? Ghengis Khan? I suggest we citizens could handle that invasion without the army.

I get a little suspicious when someone says "dont listen to so-and-so...". I say listen to all sides. Thats the best way to form an objective opinion. I also agree there are way to many career politicians. But you make it sound like once they make it to Washington they dont care if we live or die! Remember, if Washington wasnt full of honorable politicians you wouldnt have half the freedoms you enjoy now.

I'd be willing to say a small nuke is definitely possible and probably the worst thing that will happen. Even with planning, survival is still a role of the dice depending on where you are and where it happens.

Who's gonna do the raping? Well any criminals who see the lack of policing. Yes, you can defend your family...if you are right there to do so when defending is needed.

As far as invasion...we are being invaded. How many Illegals do we have now? I certainly haven't seen an uprising of armed citizens against the blasphemy...have you?

As far as not listening to this side or that side, yes, I basically meant what you said. You need to listen to all sides, but also need to watch for things that are not right up in your face. From all of these, a message and information needs to be drawn.

As far as a Nuke, yep, really depends on the direction of the winds and where you are when it hits. Only a small percentage of whether you survive or die is dependent upon how you react to the blast afterword, should you survive it.

[Pred]

Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

Who's gonna do the raping? Well any criminals who see the lack of policing.

Along with you, me, and every other male in the US. This might get a little religious although I'm not meaning to. I believe the battle between heaven and h3|| is the battle in each one of us to do the right thing every day of our lives. What keeps us from doing evil things is that we know what will happen, we will go to jail. But if you take that away, and all of a sudden you live in a world in which there is no consequences, there is no law, people get a different outlook on life.