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[knightRider]

Sounds like your nephews smarter then a lot of people Billy !

[bigandrich44]

lol. Plus, there is so much gang influence in that city, along with violence.

[JOEGUN94]

has any one ever used large diamenter pvc pipe to store ammo and or food stuff.
i have a lot of ammo that i would like to store, and i would glue the ends on, not use a threaded connection. any idea, comments

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by JOEGUN94

has any one ever used large diamenter pvc pipe to store ammo and or food stuff.
i have a lot of ammo that i would like to store, and i would glue the ends on, not use a threaded connection. any idea, comments

Sounds like a pretty good idea, actually. No reason not to use the threaded pipes and just put a dab of PVC glue in them; just enough to seal them, but not enough that you can't manhandle it open. That way you can just open it by hand and not saw the darn thing open.

[billy]

id prolly go with silicone caulk. that way you can get in there pretty easy

[Midas]

Zombies are gonna eat you all!

[billy]

not me! i'll be at the mall!

[Mooseman684]

Military ammo cans are a heck of a lot cheaper than PVC large diameter pipe and caps these days, but if I were to use PVC for burial , I would glue a Cap on one end, and a threaded cap adapter on the other and teflon compound the threads for a watertight, yet removable seal ...So if you need it FAST you can get in it ! Military Mortar Round tubes are a good choice as well!
Rich

[Chris]

I would have to go with Ammo Cans here...they are some what reasonably priced if you show around. I used to have thousands upon thousands of them and bought them for like 50 cents a piece...but those days are long gone. You will be lucky to find the 30 cal for less than 2.50 a can.

[Mooseman684]

Chris,
They are available from government Auction/disposal sites by the Pallet loads
But you have to buy a Lot of them...In gun shops, I've seen em as cheap as 3 for 5.00 up here, for .30 cal, and 2 for 5.00 for the 50 cal. and 5-6 bucks for the 20mm cans...
Rich

[billt]

I like the 20 MM cans myself. The entire lid removes and they hold so much more. There is an older couple that sells them at our big gunshow here in Phoenix all the time and they have very good prices and the condition of the cans is brand new. Thats what I like. So many of these things look like someone dragged them to the shows with their car. Bill T.

[ArkansasHunter]

Why doesnt Uncle Sam reuse these boxes ???

[Mooseman684]

They Have More than you can even Imagine all Loaded with ammo, so it is easier to dispose of them...Don't thank a Gift horse in the mouth !
BillT...I use some 20mm cans as well, but when you fill em with ammo, they are too heavy to transport easily, so I use more 30 and .50 cal cans and I love the new 40 MM cans that are 1/2 the size in height than the 20mm cans.
Also the new larger .223 cans are handy!
Rich

[Chris]

They do reuse them...and they don't others.

My dad purchased about 10k different sized cans. Every single one of them were sold at local gun shows all across the state. I would oil them down and make them look pretty and I got the extra cash made on the cans.

I would think the scrape metal on them now is worth more than to be used as a container.

[ArkansasHunter]

Thanks Mooseman684 and Chris.

Chris that's something 10 thosand cans. A thought just came to me...
Do you ever find anything in them ???????????????????????????????????

[snuffysmith]

I feel the need to post a comment here. I agree mostly with BillT.
As a society grows, it becomes more complicated, and thus there are more ways for it to get into trouble. In the first depression, our country was much more rural than today. Many more family farms producing their own food. What will happen to the millions piled up in our cities when there is no food? We see film of the soup lines, hobos riding the rails etc. I don't believe much of that will happen in this day and age.
We have a perfect micro-collapse of society in N.O. after Katrina. What happened there? Fema did a bang-up job didn't they? We're only talking about a few million people involved here folks. Push the number up to, oh lets say 100 mil.--150 million. That many people, no food, no shelter, no money(money will become worthless very quickly)what will happen?
I have a lot of faith in the nature of Man;(mankind, Ladies) but little faith in the collective hive mentality of a lot of people in this country. I was driving a truck in the spring of 92 headed for LA; we truned around and went back East when we heard about the riots. How about fifteen or twenty riots at one time. NO government could handle that effectively let alone ours. Yes it is coming! What I don't know, but you can bet your life it will be big when it happens( you will be betting it). Be prepared and keep your own council.
There's no reason to go screaming into the night; but there is to be prepared.
Just my humble opinion,
Snuffy

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[bravo30]

id be more afraid of some terrorist bullshit then anything else ..i cant see them staying quiet for much longer ..... prob ny again , maybe phily where im from

[Coeloptera]

I honestly think, in this current era, that a total societal collapse in an industrialized nation is a lot harder to engineer or have occur accidentally.

I have a few reasons for this. Let's look here at home first. Katrina and NO was bad, straight up. But the rest of the country barely skipped a beat. It was bad for the poor people stuck there, or evacuating, but everywhere else...de nada. Even cities that took in large numbers of refugees saw increases in crime and the like, but nothing they couldn't handle and remain functional.

Every year we get hurricanes and tornadoes that damage towns and cities, and we pick up and move right along, anyone not in the immediate area not even noticing. That's because, economy aside, we have a very robust infrastructure. The amount of damage it would take to destroy shipping in this country is staggering, what with the highways, rivers, air traffic, and railways. If the National Guard is at home and at full strength, it gets even stronger because of all the supplemental equipment and manpower they bring.

Now my second point is, the fact that we have the existing infrastucture is important. Look at countries that don't have it. Algeria, the Sudan, Haiti...societal collapse can absolutely happen there. The last days of the USSR were bad, a lot of people lost work utterly or were displaced, but the nation as a whole wasn't in any serious danger of total collapse. People worked at utilities without pay, food was shipped in when possible, the military and police stepped in hard and kept order...it was bad, but nowhere near a collapse.

Frankly, it's my belief that it would take a full-scale invasion with millions of troops, a terrorist assault the likes of which no one on Earth seems to have the capacity for (or Israel wouldn't be here), a nuclear exchange, or a large asteroid/cometary impact to disrupt this nation to the point of total societal breakdown. Or the zombies...yes. But I don't think many people on this board would have too much trouble with zombies.

Also, look back at history, many societies and nations that "collapsed" did not do so in the abrupt fashion many people think they did. The Roman Empire underwent dissolution, but very large areas essentially maintained basic stability and even absorbed additional territories and people while this was going on. England is a good example. A powerful outpost of the Empire, from about AD 500 through 1066, while the dominant political structure changed hands numerous times, and yes, wars were fought, the country's infrastructure kept building itself up because everyone who took over had the same goal in mind.

From 1066 to today, England has, essentially, remained one more-or-less continuous culture and nation. (I know, but I'm generalizing here.) It has never collapsed utterly in over 900 years. Modern communications equipment makes that even harder now. While large-scale EMPs could heavily damage communications, a lot of it is very decentralized and again, we'd be looking at an action beyond the scale of what anyone but a large nation could accomplish. IEDs are one thing, enough EMP bombs to cripple the US is something else entirely.

Remember, as technology improves, the gap between high tech and low tech widens. Iraq is giving us problems because we aren't there to destroy the country and kill everyone. If we were, it wouldn't even be funny how bad it could have gotten.

Now reverse the situation. We're being infiltrated by terrorists in very large numbers, numbers that have never been seen in human history...we're the "insurgents". With full military and governmental support. We catch people at attempts even now (like the airport plan, the potential military base attack). An event of the size it would take to actually cripple this country? I doubt it could come off without leaving numerous traces and clues before it goes off because an enemy would have to coordinate thousands upon thousands of units almost simultaneously.

Thus, I'm really seeing only natural disasters of apocalyptic scale as a potential threat.

- Coeloptera

"We were trying to stretch our apocalyptic aspect a little further than it's been for a while. This is a good time for that, with us being in the early 21st century." - Donald Fagen

[Triggerjerk]

A good and well thought out post.

[meatloaf]

The world trade center was felt everywhere the economy took a big hit and slowed considerably. That was only two buildings, (and the buildings under them) true our industry didnt collapse, but what if attacks occured on the east coast again aimed at our economy as well as attacks on the west coast cripling the shipping docks. While were at it lets throw an attack at the gulf coast oil refineries. Also lets add the war in Iraq and a war with Korea at the same time, so our defenses are spread out completely. I believe this could happen as much as a meteor can strike our country. Society may not break down completely, but I believe it could be bad enough to feel like its a complete breakdown. After all it is only when people belive society has failed before it truly falls.