Defend against neighbor or foreign invasion

meatloaf · 07-08-2007, 04:00 AM

What do you prepare to use your stockpiled weapons and ammo against? I read alot of posts from people who seem to be preparing to shoot their neighbor in SHTF versus actualy defending our country against foreign invasion. So the question is what do you think will happen: foreign invasion, or appocalyptic social break down. When answering remeber Louisiana, and the fact that our boarders are crossed daily by thousands of I.A. (and not just mexicans).

Chris · 07-08-2007, 04:26 AM

I think where I live it will be more of a breakdown in the society.

I use the example of Hurricane Katrina. There was no law, except the law of the gun. In New Orleans, it was very anti-gun, so the criminals ruled the land.

Am I ready to shoot my neighbor? I hope not...unless their actions leave no other choice.

meatloaf · 07-08-2007, 04:50 AM

I understand your view Chris. I live in Colorado but im from Florida, and lawlessnes from hurricanes is verry real. I dont remember the name of the hurricane I went through I was verry young, but I remmember the help from neigbors. Everyone worked to help each other. This alone was the greatest deterent against criminals, plus there was no shortage of guns either, everyone (adults) had one on their side. I had my trusty twin six shooters cap guns ( the kind whith the role of paper caps).

Chris · 07-08-2007, 05:04 AM

An armed society is a polite society.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 07-08-2007, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris

Am I ready to shoot my neighbor? I hope not...unless their actions leave no other choice.

It's more important for your neighbor to believe you will shoot them or anyone else who tries to cross you during such times. If that is the case then their actions after that will remove any doubt in your mind.

mos19k · 07-09-2007, 10:36 PM

I live down in Miami, I've gone through two big riots, one huge hurricane and a few smaller ones. In each case social breakdown has been what I had to defend against. As for my neighbors I've known many of them since I was a child and others have been family friends from Cuba even before I was born. The inner city garbage is your main nemesis in these situations, they see this as an opportunity to loot. I've helped defend my friend's business from looters during Andrew, I guess the sight of two overweight Cubans with assault rifles and a pair of Rottwielers was enough to make them reconsider there looting needs. As for why I have weapons in my house, in every room of my house, is to keep me and mine safe from all who wish us harm. I do expect social breakdown, we have 20 million plus illegals throughout this country, we have courts that baby our criminals, we have rampant entitlement groups demanding more every day, our society is lacking in morals and ethics more and more. If I'm wrong I'll be delighted but I don't think I am.

A-10 · 07-09-2007, 10:44 PM

I believe almost anything is possible. Whether it be infiltration of a forein power or social breakdown, I'd happily be among the geurilla force protecting our way of life. As for the neighbors, I never have liked them much. I have my suspicions.

ArkansasHunter · 07-09-2007, 11:05 PM

I would share what I could of my water and food, to a point ! Then back off if it look like we were going to be in it for the long haul.
Yet water and game are abundent here, we'll survive but the folks in town would have it hardest. The ones that live off the goverment will be the ones that loot and rob, where I live we'll be ready.

ezearln · 07-09-2007, 11:11 PM

A SHTF situation is a SHTF situation no matter which form it takes while my personal view is that it will take the form of lawlessness after some form or another of natural or man made diasaster makes little difference in the end. What does matter is your preparedness and willingness to defend you and yours from harm until order is restored. I have no hesitation in defending my loved ones, I do think however there are far too many even here that have taken little or no action whatsoever to ensure their survival or comfort during any breakdown or disaster, The wife and I were trapped in our lake side property during heavy flooding here a few years back couldn't get out for 11 days, while we lacked for nothing essential there were some "Comfort" items I have since stockpiled to enhance our comfort should anysuch happen again. Primary in my thoughts were defense as many of my neighbors and friends knew I was a retired combat instructor I saw little difficulty with them but things might have panned out otherwise. Assume nothing and always prepare for the worse and you will always prevail.

Idaho Dave · 07-10-2007, 11:03 AM

Where I live it would have to be a pretty bad thing to get us to leave and it would have to happen right here. We have what we need and the forest and an abundance of wild game and other natural food is just in the backyard (even without SHTF situations we live most of the year off what we fish and smoke and hunt and preserve. Plus we pick tons of wild huckle berries, strawberries and raspberries that we make into jams, jellies and wine). Our neighbors are our friends and very much like-minded, well-armed people it would be ill-advised to start sh** with eachother. We have talked about this sort of thing before and if something happened we would all work together to hunt food when needed and protect our selves, our way of life and our land from other, less friendly individuals. I lived in the country as a kid. Went to the city, joined the military, went to college. As soon as I could I moved my family here just for these types of reasons. There is a lot of solidarity in small town mentality. The more I learned about human behavior, social structure, and global relations I don’t think about if SHTF but when. So I guess my stockpile of weapons and ammo is more to procure food and protect mine and the neighbors from people fleeing the chaos of the cities. And if a foreign power came I doubt they would come to our little neck of no place, but if they did I would certainly fight back and I know the mountains here like the back of my hand

ludwig1138 · 07-10-2007, 07:41 PM

I believe a large natural disaster is more likely to produce a situation that would require me to defend my family and property. Here in Texas there's a huge number of weapons in the hands of the public. Most people don't take the time or effort to be prepared to last even a week without a trip to the grocery store. They also become restive when deprived of their TV entertainments.

So they are unprepared and armed, and an attitude of "I'm gonna do what I gotta do for my ....... whatever" is what I think I'll have to deal with if something happens.

As for a foreign invasion, I think that's unlikely.

ruger22com · 07-12-2007, 03:56 PM

I don't worry about natuaral disasters...after katrina, me and about a half dozen who live in my "hood" sat out on our front porches for a week with Ak's and Ar's in our laps. and while several "animal types" slowely cruised by our houses, none had the guts to stop and confront the PREPARED people in my area.

I worry more about our OWN government then I do the natives.

Here is me in my Christmas Card Photo!

ArkansasHunter · 07-12-2007, 04:14 PM

Though I own 14 firearms I'm wondering if I should invest in a SKS or AK47 to save my hunting guns from wear, and the fear factor of toteing a SKS or AK47 during a SHTF situation. Hummm

Would someone please post the sites where you can buy SKS'es at !!!

billy · 07-12-2007, 04:19 PM

type sks sales you will find a landslide of hits

I like my neighbors. and they like me but they DO see me walk out to my truck with an evil black rifle and a combat pistol on my hip on my days off.
you would have to be nuts to approach my house wanting to take ANYTHING.
p.s. there is a retired guy on the property that feels the same way, and he never goes anywhere.
much better than a dog.

ArkansasHunter · 07-12-2007, 09:47 PM

Thank yee billy !

billy · 07-13-2007, 06:22 AM

my pleasure AH

ezearln · 07-13-2007, 01:55 PM

Naw A.H. just post a bunch of "ATTACK GUINEA PIG" signs around yer property and I doubt you'll have enny troubles at all

billy · 07-13-2007, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ezearln

Naw A.H. just post a bunch of "ATTACK GUINEA PIG" signs around yer property and I doubt you'll have enny troubles at all

ah if that pig is ANYTHING like my mouse i bet you sleep good at night.

mos19k · 07-14-2007, 04:56 PM

You're lucky, you can still keep attack guinea pigs, our local legislatures have outlawed them. Apparently after several cases of pit guinea pigs attacking police officers, in one instance the officer was brutally nibbled and required a bandaid, he should make a full recovering. The pit guinea pig had to be put down, they didn't kill it they just had to put him down he couldn't get off the table otherwise.

ezearln · 07-14-2007, 05:07 PM

Well we still have to register ours and have them microchipped for ID puposes, seeing as how their ferocity is well documented. Shame really as the make fine guardians for your livestock and children once they are socialized. The lil ladders all over them place tends to be tedious at times though

07-08-2007, 04:00 AM	#1
meatloaf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lakewood CO Posts: 904 Images: 3	Defend against neighbor or foreign invasion What do you prepare to use your stockpiled weapons and ammo against? I read alot of posts from people who seem to be preparing to shoot their neighbor in SHTF versus actualy defending our country against foreign invasion. So the question is what do you think will happen: foreign invasion, or appocalyptic social break down. When answering remeber Louisiana, and the fact that our boarders are crossed daily by thousands of I.A. (and not just mexicans).

07-08-2007, 04:26 AM	#2
Chris HMFIC Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,834,167 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 18	I think where I live it will be more of a breakdown in the society. I use the example of Hurricane Katrina. There was no law, except the law of the gun. In New Orleans, it was very anti-gun, so the criminals ruled the land. Am I ready to shoot my neighbor? I hope not...unless their actions leave no other choice. __________________ Rules \| Contributing Members No one has the right to deny my personal safety Please be descriptive in your thread titles!

07-08-2007, 05:04 AM	#4
Chris HMFIC Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,834,167 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 18	An armed society is a polite society. __________________ Rules \| Contributing Members No one has the right to deny my personal safety Please be descriptive in your thread titles!

07-09-2007, 10:36 PM	#6
mos19k Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Miami, Fl. Posts: 314	I live down in Miami, I've gone through two big riots, one huge hurricane and a few smaller ones. In each case social breakdown has been what I had to defend against. As for my neighbors I've known many of them since I was a child and others have been family friends from Cuba even before I was born. The inner city garbage is your main nemesis in these situations, they see this as an opportunity to loot. I've helped defend my friend's business from looters during Andrew, I guess the sight of two overweight Cubans with assault rifles and a pair of Rottwielers was enough to make them reconsider there looting needs. As for why I have weapons in my house, in every room of my house, is to keep me and mine safe from all who wish us harm. I do expect social breakdown, we have 20 million plus illegals throughout this country, we have courts that baby our criminals, we have rampant entitlement groups demanding more every day, our society is lacking in morals and ethics more and more. If I'm wrong I'll be delighted but I don't think I am. Last edited by mos19k; 07-28-2007 at 07:57 AM.

07-09-2007, 11:11 PM	#9
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	A SHTF situation is a SHTF situation no matter which form it takes while my personal view is that it will take the form of lawlessness after some form or another of natural or man made diasaster makes little difference in the end. What does matter is your preparedness and willingness to defend you and yours from harm until order is restored. I have no hesitation in defending my loved ones, I do think however there are far too many even here that have taken little or no action whatsoever to ensure their survival or comfort during any breakdown or disaster, The wife and I were trapped in our lake side property during heavy flooding here a few years back couldn't get out for 11 days, while we lacked for nothing essential there were some "Comfort" items I have since stockpiled to enhance our comfort should anysuch happen again. Primary in my thoughts were defense as many of my neighbors and friends knew I was a retired combat instructor I saw little difficulty with them but things might have panned out otherwise. Assume nothing and always prepare for the worse and you will always prevail. __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

07-08-2007, 04:50 AM	#3
meatloaf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lakewood CO Posts: 904 Images: 3	I understand your view Chris. I live in Colorado but im from Florida, and lawlessnes from hurricanes is verry real. I dont remember the name of the hurricane I went through I was verry young, but I remmember the help from neigbors. Everyone worked to help each other. This alone was the greatest deterent against criminals, plus there was no shortage of guns either, everyone (adults) had one on their side. I had my trusty twin six shooters cap guns ( the kind whith the role of paper caps).

07-09-2007, 10:44 PM	#7
A-10 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 732	I believe almost anything is possible. Whether it be infiltration of a forein power or social breakdown, I'd happily be among the geurilla force protecting our way of life. As for the neighbors, I never have liked them much. I have my suspicions.

07-09-2007, 11:05 PM	#8
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,709	I would share what I could of my water and food, to a point ! Then back off if it look like we were going to be in it for the long haul. Yet water and game are abundent here, we'll survive but the folks in town would have it hardest. The ones that live off the goverment will be the ones that loot and rob, where I live we'll be ready.

07-10-2007, 11:03 AM	#10
Idaho Dave Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 535	Where I live it would have to be a pretty bad thing to get us to leave and it would have to happen right here. We have what we need and the forest and an abundance of wild game and other natural food is just in the backyard (even without SHTF situations we live most of the year off what we fish and smoke and hunt and preserve. Plus we pick tons of wild huckle berries, strawberries and raspberries that we make into jams, jellies and wine). Our neighbors are our friends and very much like-minded, well-armed people it would be ill-advised to start sh** with eachother. We have talked about this sort of thing before and if something happened we would all work together to hunt food when needed and protect our selves, our way of life and our land from other, less friendly individuals. I lived in the country as a kid. Went to the city, joined the military, went to college. As soon as I could I moved my family here just for these types of reasons. There is a lot of solidarity in small town mentality. The more I learned about human behavior, social structure, and global relations I don’t think about if SHTF but when. So I guess my stockpile of weapons and ammo is more to procure food and protect mine and the neighbors from people fleeing the chaos of the cities. And if a foreign power came I doubt they would come to our little neck of no place, but if they did I would certainly fight back and I know the mountains here like the back of my hand

07-10-2007, 07:41 PM	#11
ludwig1138 Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 35	I believe a large natural disaster is more likely to produce a situation that would require me to defend my family and property. Here in Texas there's a huge number of weapons in the hands of the public. Most people don't take the time or effort to be prepared to last even a week without a trip to the grocery store. They also become restive when deprived of their TV entertainments. So they are unprepared and armed, and an attitude of "I'm gonna do what I gotta do for my ....... whatever" is what I think I'll have to deal with if something happens. As for a foreign invasion, I think that's unlikely.

07-12-2007, 03:56 PM	#12
ruger22com Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mobile Alabama Posts: 723	I don't worry about natuaral disasters...after katrina, me and about a half dozen who live in my "hood" sat out on our front porches for a week with Ak's and Ar's in our laps. and while several "animal types" slowely cruised by our houses, none had the guts to stop and confront the PREPARED people in my area. I worry more about our OWN government then I do the natives. Here is me in my Christmas Card Photo! __________________ www.CheapGunParts.com http://ruger22.com/art/banners/tiny.gif Home of the "YELLOW JACKET" Bolt Buffer and Takedown Bolts! Free Shipping & Lifetime Warranty!

07-12-2007, 04:14 PM	#13
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,709	Though I own 14 firearms I'm wondering if I should invest in a SKS or AK47 to save my hunting guns from wear, and the fear factor of toteing a SKS or AK47 during a SHTF situation. Hummm Would someone please post the sites where you can buy SKS'es at !!!

07-12-2007, 04:19 PM	#14
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,157 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	type sks sales you will find a landslide of hits I like my neighbors. and they like me but they DO see me walk out to my truck with an evil black rifle and a combat pistol on my hip on my days off. you would have to be nuts to approach my house wanting to take ANYTHING. p.s. there is a retired guy on the property that feels the same way, and he never goes anywhere. much better than a dog. __________________ Last edited by billy; 07-12-2007 at 04:24 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

07-12-2007, 09:47 PM	#15
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,709	Thank yee billy !

07-13-2007, 06:22 AM	#16
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,157 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	my pleasure AH __________________

07-13-2007, 01:55 PM	#17
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	Naw A.H. just post a bunch of "ATTACK GUINEA PIG" signs around yer property and I doubt you'll have enny troubles at all __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

07-14-2007, 04:56 PM	#19
mos19k Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Miami, Fl. Posts: 314	You're lucky, you can still keep attack guinea pigs, our local legislatures have outlawed them. Apparently after several cases of pit guinea pigs attacking police officers, in one instance the officer was brutally nibbled and required a bandaid, he should make a full recovering. The pit guinea pig had to be put down, they didn't kill it they just had to put him down he couldn't get off the table otherwise.

07-14-2007, 05:07 PM	#20
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,175	Well we still have to register ours and have them microchipped for ID puposes, seeing as how their ferocity is well documented. Shame really as the make fine guardians for your livestock and children once they are socialized. The lil ladders all over them place tends to be tedious at times though __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"