What are you going to do in case of a gun grab? - Page 4

gunney_m · 11-25-2007, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Dog

Only a fool has ALL his guns 'papered'. 'Nuff said.

Could you please explain that to me, really? My Redhawk I bought from my uncle isn't registered?

LiveToShoot · 11-25-2007, 09:47 PM

The less paperwork the better, I agree with/follow that pattern of thinking and firearm purchasing as much as possible. However, when I purchase a firearm outside the regular paperwork stream, I have the seller sign a bill of sale, so just in case there's a problem with the firearm just purchased I can show that I did buy it from a third-party seller.

gunney_m · 11-25-2007, 10:32 PM

Well it went from my uncles friend to him to me so it wasn't even registered to him or sighned over or so on.

JSosbe · 11-28-2007, 10:37 AM

I know a good many of my local cops, and I can tell you they are as active in hunting and target shooting as anyone, and really support the private ownership of guns. If the government ever decided to take away the privately held guns in this country, who will do it. Most of the military, police and FBI personnel are gun owners, and aren't going to be keen on giving up their own, never mind taking their neighbors.

andrew cochran · 11-28-2007, 10:49 AM

I've got this to say! People have to hunt. People aren't going to just hunt with a club. To control game populations people half to hunt. Handguns maybe taken away, but i could do a lot of damage with my muzzle loader if I needed to!

gunney_m · 11-28-2007, 01:45 PM

Yes but im kinda attached to my 44 revolver.

ArkansasHunter · 11-28-2007, 01:47 PM

I will obey the law to the letter...But I want like it ! A.H

gunney_m · 11-28-2007, 02:21 PM

I will to but that just means im going into law enforcement or security.

Cyrano · 11-28-2007, 02:35 PM

I agree with much of what has been said in this thread. Personally, I think the wind is blowing the other way, against the gun-grabbers; although it would be nice if the sort of thing that shows up in the American Rifleman's column, "The Armed Citizen," made the same kind of splash on the news that crackpots like that Korean kid at Virginia Tech and those two psychos at Columbine got.

The reason I say there is hope stems partly from the fact that it's so difficult to change the Constitution legally. If the fascist gun-grabbers try, they'll get nowhere. It takes, I believe, 38 states holding referendums to vote Yea on a proposed amendment before it takes effect. Or, to flip it the other way, it means folks like us only need 13 states to vote Nay. And each state's vote is worth the same, whether it's a low-population state like Wyoming or Idaho or high population states like the Peoples Democratic Republics of California and New York. States ratify Constitutional amendments, not electors or congresscritters.

So let's see. Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Oregon, Washington State, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, Georgia, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Iowa, Virginia, Tennessee, North Dakota, South Dakota... That's 21 states I'm sure would vote Nay on any amendment meant to restrict our right to keep and bear arms right off the top of my head. And I'll bet I didn't get them all. That makes the Zen referendum results no better than Yea, 29; Nay, 21 for the antigunners. Referendum fails. No new amendment.

Then there is a poll, results not widely circulated, taken of 10,000 Marines about 15 years back. The question was, "If the President issued an Executive Order banning private ownership of firearms and you were ordered to help in the confiscation of privately owned firearms, would you obey the order?"

The overwhelming response of the Marines was, "Hell, no!" When asked to explain, the pollsters got a response that boiled down to, "Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the President. If he issues an illegal order, we will not obey it; and an order like that that goes against the Constitution is illegal." Just because Marines make their living charging heavily defended positions doesn't make them stupid.

Frankly, I believe that if the President and the 435 elected loons in Bedlam-Inside-The-Beltway tried to get a gun confiscation law through the Congress, what would happen is that several million angry people would rise in righteous wrath and mob the town. We'd see wholesale regime change down in DC, with a whole lot of Congressmen and Senators half-masted on handy trees and lampposts and the rest running for their lives and praying no one recognizes them. Either that, or it would be Civil War II. And the President might not want to presume the armed forces would be on his side. Previous comments about unconstitutional laws and orders.

One reason we haven't yet seen serious antigun laws pass is that even with the Democrats controlling both houses of the Congress and an antigun fanatic like Pelosi serving as Speaker of the House, the Democrats have learned the people are awake. Bush awakened them with the anti-civil-liberties provisions of the Patriot Act. Just because it was a Republican that woke them up doesn't mean they will go back to sleep for the Democrats on civil liberties issues. It may be a different game if an antigunner like Obama or Slick Hillary wins the '08 election and the Dems manage to keep control of both houses, something that is by no means sure. But for now, they know better than to try and pass something that runs so against the Constitution. The fact that the Roberts Court has agreed to hear Heller vs DC and is almost certain to rule that the DC gun law is unconstitutional, and that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms, also is holding them in check.

It's definitely not a good time for people like us. But I think our side will prevail in the end. I don't think there will be a gun grab any time soon. We have plenty of evidence on our side. What we need is a better means of making the general population aware of our evidence, since we can't count on Big Media (which is almost 100% antigun) to report impartially or tell the truth about firearms rights, issues and ownership.

andrew cochran · 11-28-2007, 02:38 PM

I won't give up my guns up with out a bad fight! If some thugs try to take my guns I ain't worried! I'll just blast away with my semi automatic 9 millimeter handgun. However if it is police, and if i am forced to, i'll give up almost all my guns! All my hand guns and keep two rifles. A traditions .50 cal muzzle loader, and one of my semiautos!

Hey, the letter of the laws says we can own guns! I really don't care what some polition says!

gunney_m · 11-28-2007, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrew cochran

I won't give up my guns up with out a bad fight! If some thugs try to take my guns I ain't worried! I'll just blast away with my semi automatic 9 millimeter handgun. However if it is police, and if i am forced to, i'll give up almost all my guns! All my hand guns and keep two rifles. A traditions .50 cal muzzle loader, and one of my semiautos!

Hey, the letter of the laws says we can own guns! I really don't care what some polition says!

+1

billy · 11-28-2007, 04:56 PM

turn them in

ArkansasHunter · 11-28-2007, 05:11 PM

andrew you want win haveing a shoot out...Inocent people will get hurt, maybe even children.
Casting a vote and calling, writeing your Congressmen and Senators would be better.
I know thats easy to say but as many gun owners that there are some kind of unity has to be developed.
There is strength still in numbers, but how you bring these numbers together is beyond me...A.H

LiveToShoot · 11-28-2007, 06:14 PM

Ditto: call, write, e-mail, talk with friends, vote...

gunney_m · 11-28-2007, 06:25 PM

Ill give them a few....

andrew cochran · 11-29-2007, 08:18 AM

I agree not haveing a shoot out. But i am going to defend myself if someone trys to steal my guns. Unity is a good idea. I would be nice if we could write letters to congress when it sounds like our gun rights are being taken away. Like now! Well maybe not now but it will get werse. I garentee it!

LiveToShoot · 11-29-2007, 08:22 AM

I'm of the opinion:

What are each of us going to do now to help avoid a gun grab?

Big&Tall · 11-29-2007, 08:23 AM

If they do come for your guns, I'm sure it will be in the middle of the night when your fast asleep. They will break into your house and terrorize your family. If you fight back the media will use that as propaganda as to why guns are bad to begin with, helping them further their agenda. I fear more, the brainwashing of our children, by the schools, colleges, and media. After all, the hitler youth turned in their own parents and family. It's best to get together and try to vote out those who would destroy this great country. The Bill of Rights is there for a reason.

gunney_m · 11-29-2007, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big&Tall

If they do come for your guns, I'm sure it will be in the middle of the night when your fast asleep. They will break into your house and terrorize your family. If you fight back the media will use that as propaganda as to why guns are bad to begin with, helping them further their agenda. I fear more, the brainwashing of our children, by the schools, colleges, and media. After all, the hitler youth turned in their own parents and family. It's best to get together and try to vote out those who would destroy this great country. The Bill of Rights is there for a reason.

Amen.

andrew cochran · 11-29-2007, 08:26 AM

I sleep kinda light! And mine are under lock and key. But I think to avoid a gun grab people must be prepared for a gun grab.

11-25-2007, 09:47 PM	#62
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,071	The less paperwork the better, I agree with/follow that pattern of thinking and firearm purchasing as much as possible. However, when I purchase a firearm outside the regular paperwork stream, I have the seller sign a bill of sale, so just in case there's a problem with the firearm just purchased I can show that I did buy it from a third-party seller. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown

11-28-2007, 02:35 PM	#69
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 2,358	Storm clouds on the horizon, but there is hope I agree with much of what has been said in this thread. Personally, I think the wind is blowing the other way, against the gun-grabbers; although it would be nice if the sort of thing that shows up in the American Rifleman's column, "The Armed Citizen," made the same kind of splash on the news that crackpots like that Korean kid at Virginia Tech and those two psychos at Columbine got. The reason I say there is hope stems partly from the fact that it's so difficult to change the Constitution legally. If the fascist gun-grabbers try, they'll get nowhere. It takes, I believe, 38 states holding referendums to vote Yea on a proposed amendment before it takes effect. Or, to flip it the other way, it means folks like us only need 13 states to vote Nay. And each state's vote is worth the same, whether it's a low-population state like Wyoming or Idaho or high population states like the Peoples Democratic Republics of California and New York. States ratify Constitutional amendments, not electors or congresscritters. So let's see. Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Oregon, Washington State, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, Georgia, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Iowa, Virginia, Tennessee, North Dakota, South Dakota... That's 21 states I'm sure would vote Nay on any amendment meant to restrict our right to keep and bear arms right off the top of my head. And I'll bet I didn't get them all. That makes the Zen referendum results no better than Yea, 29; Nay, 21 for the antigunners. Referendum fails. No new amendment. Then there is a poll, results not widely circulated, taken of 10,000 Marines about 15 years back. The question was, "If the President issued an Executive Order banning private ownership of firearms and you were ordered to help in the confiscation of privately owned firearms, would you obey the order?" The overwhelming response of the Marines was, "Hell, no!" When asked to explain, the pollsters got a response that boiled down to, "Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the President. If he issues an illegal order, we will not obey it; and an order like that that goes against the Constitution is illegal." Just because Marines make their living charging heavily defended positions doesn't make them stupid. Frankly, I believe that if the President and the 435 elected loons in Bedlam-Inside-The-Beltway tried to get a gun confiscation law through the Congress, what would happen is that several million angry people would rise in righteous wrath and mob the town. We'd see wholesale regime change down in DC, with a whole lot of Congressmen and Senators half-masted on handy trees and lampposts and the rest running for their lives and praying no one recognizes them. Either that, or it would be Civil War II. And the President might not want to presume the armed forces would be on his side. Previous comments about unconstitutional laws and orders. One reason we haven't yet seen serious antigun laws pass is that even with the Democrats controlling both houses of the Congress and an antigun fanatic like Pelosi serving as Speaker of the House, the Democrats have learned the people are awake. Bush awakened them with the anti-civil-liberties provisions of the Patriot Act. Just because it was a Republican that woke them up doesn't mean they will go back to sleep for the Democrats on civil liberties issues. It may be a different game if an antigunner like Obama or Slick Hillary wins the '08 election and the Dems manage to keep control of both houses, something that is by no means sure. But for now, they know better than to try and pass something that runs so against the Constitution. The fact that the Roberts Court has agreed to hear Heller vs DC and is almost certain to rule that the DC gun law is unconstitutional, and that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms, also is holding them in check. It's definitely not a good time for people like us. But I think our side will prevail in the end. I don't think there will be a gun grab any time soon. We have plenty of evidence on our side. What we need is a better means of making the general population aware of our evidence, since we can't count on Big Media (which is almost 100% antigun) to report impartially or tell the truth about firearms rights, issues and ownership.

11-28-2007, 02:38 PM	#70
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 2,155	I won't give up my guns up with out a bad fight! If some thugs try to take my guns I ain't worried! I'll just blast away with my semi automatic 9 millimeter handgun. However if it is police, and if i am forced to, i'll give up almost all my guns! All my hand guns and keep two rifles. A traditions .50 cal muzzle loader, and one of my semiautos! Hey, the letter of the laws says we can own guns! I really don't care what some polition says! Last edited by andrew cochran; 11-28-2007 at 02:43 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

11-28-2007, 04:56 PM	#72
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,164 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	turn them in __________________

11-28-2007, 06:14 PM	#74
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,071	Ditto: call, write, e-mail, talk with friends, vote... __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown

11-25-2007, 10:32 PM	#63
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931	Well it went from my uncles friend to him to me so it wasn't even registered to him or sighned over or so on.

11-28-2007, 10:37 AM	#64
JSosbe Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: University of Kentucky Posts: 81	I know a good many of my local cops, and I can tell you they are as active in hunting and target shooting as anyone, and really support the private ownership of guns. If the government ever decided to take away the privately held guns in this country, who will do it. Most of the military, police and FBI personnel are gun owners, and aren't going to be keen on giving up their own, never mind taking their neighbors.

11-28-2007, 10:49 AM	#65
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 2,155	I've got this to say! People have to hunt. People aren't going to just hunt with a club. To control game populations people half to hunt. Handguns maybe taken away, but i could do a lot of damage with my muzzle loader if I needed to!

11-28-2007, 01:45 PM	#66
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931	Yes but im kinda attached to my 44 revolver.

11-28-2007, 01:47 PM	#67
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,711	I will obey the law to the letter...But I want like it ! A.H

11-28-2007, 02:21 PM	#68
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931	I will to but that just means im going into law enforcement or security.

11-28-2007, 05:11 PM	#73
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,711	andrew you want win haveing a shoot out...Inocent people will get hurt, maybe even children. Casting a vote and calling, writeing your Congressmen and Senators would be better. I know thats easy to say but as many gun owners that there are some kind of unity has to be developed. There is strength still in numbers, but how you bring these numbers together is beyond me...A.H

11-28-2007, 06:25 PM	#75
gunney_m Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Muskogee,Ok Posts: 1,931	Ill give them a few....

11-29-2007, 08:18 AM	#76
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 2,155	I agree not haveing a shoot out. But i am going to defend myself if someone trys to steal my guns. Unity is a good idea. I would be nice if we could write letters to congress when it sounds like our gun rights are being taken away. Like now! Well maybe not now but it will get werse. I garentee it!

11-29-2007, 08:22 AM	#77
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,071	I'm of the opinion: What are each of us going to do now to help avoid a gun grab? __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 11-29-2007 at 08:29 AM.

11-29-2007, 08:23 AM	#78
Big&Tall Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: St. Petersburg Posts: 20	If they do come for your guns, I'm sure it will be in the middle of the night when your fast asleep. They will break into your house and terrorize your family. If you fight back the media will use that as propaganda as to why guns are bad to begin with, helping them further their agenda. I fear more, the brainwashing of our children, by the schools, colleges, and media. After all, the hitler youth turned in their own parents and family. It's best to get together and try to vote out those who would destroy this great country. The Bill of Rights is there for a reason.

11-29-2007, 08:26 AM	#80
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 2,155	I sleep kinda light! And mine are under lock and key. But I think to avoid a gun grab people must be prepared for a gun grab.