11-29-2007, 12:47 PM
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As far as the original questions... Attacked by thugs? Depends. Around here it's only legal to use as much force as that which you are threatened with. So whatever the other person has, I'm going to equal it. Hand-to-hand, I'll hold my own. Knife, I always carry at least one. Guns, we have enough to do the job. If someone came into my house with an AK, it depends on the situation. If he just burst the room down in the middle of supper, there's only so much you can do. Obviously I'd try to figure a way out. If at all possible I'd grab my SKS and blow his guts all over the opposite wall. If I happened to be in my room, I have three guns that I can get into action in less than a minute. Federal gun grab? I highly doubt they would just bust in without warning. There would be notices before the law came into effect and it would allow enough time to "lose" any firearms.
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11-29-2007, 03:58 PM
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If attacked in the house we'd release the dogs on them and follow behind the dogs. My Wife and I are both Veterans and have no problem neutralizing a danger. Weapons are always within reach inside the house and we both carry while outside. Two 100 pound dogs are a great deterrent or at least a good distraction while you take out the intruders. Supplies, we keep 6 months worth of food at all times. Water, we try to keep about 50 gallons on hand but we can fill our Waterbobs in no time which gives us an additional 200 gallons. We also have a canal in the back of the house that can be filtered using our Katadyne system. Food types, we try to have a variety to choose from. For meat we have the old stand by SPAM, along with Vienna sausages, canned turkey, canned chicken, canned ham and shelf stable bacon. For starch we have a multitude of pastas, dehydrated potatoes, different types of rice, melba toast and crackers. Additional protein, we have canned and dried beans. For vegetables, if it's canned we probably have it. A book I recommend often is "Apocalypse Chow", it is a cookbook that uses the items you have in your pantry. Although the recipes are all vegetarian most of them can easily be enhanced with the addition of meats. |
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11-29-2007, 04:29 PM
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i keep some MREs around and canned veggies but nothing like you good food for thought!
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11-29-2007, 07:11 PM
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I keep the Remmy 870 by the bed, and with the various LED lights of household gear, there's plenty of light to shoot by . . . Colt .45 pistol that goes about the house with me. Rarely is there not a gun, knife or sword within close reach. If power goes out, I have battery lanterns and a combat light on the Remmy. Food - 9 months and climbing steadily. Remember to have enough variety to prevent getting sick of "beans & rice". Water - 65 gallons in various containers. Gas and battery-powered gadgets, in case of power loss. Storage? Being single, I can stash stuff most anywhere - my walk-in master bedroom closet, the smaller "gun room", the far linen closet.
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11-29-2007, 09:23 PM
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Should it be an extended need situation, some backup gear for cooking and heating water for sanitation could be helpful too... My wife and I enjoy camping and the same gear (lanterns, stoves, heaters, etc.) that we use for camping could be used at home in an emergency. In fact, our home stove took an electrical dive and we used the camping gear for cooking meals until the stove was repaired. Depending on whether or not you're on city water, if you're on a well and the power goes out then a backup generator could be helpful to run the well pump, and other electrical needs... We were in MN a couple of years back when the micro-burst winds came through and wiped out the power grid. A couple of portable generators kept our fridge and other items running, and were then shared with others when our power came back up...
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11-29-2007, 09:34 PM
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11-29-2007, 10:13 PM
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I live in an area that's prone to hurricanes so we tend to always have supplies on hand. As long as you have SHELTER, FOOD, WATER, and a way to defend yourself and your family you'll have a good chance of making it through most situations. | |
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12-01-2007, 05:36 PM
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"Always keep your eye out for sales of the foods you like. I never understood folks that stock up on tuna but don't like tuna. Why make a rough situation rougher by eating food you don't enjoy." Yep, this is important! I taste-test anything I might want to store. Not only so I know I like it, but to see if there are any gastric problems it may cause. In a survival situation, you DON'T want a case of the trots or worse! I keep a good variety too, so I don't get tired of having the same thing every day. Also, if it's something you like and eat normally, rotating it as it nears it's "use by" date is easier.
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12-01-2007, 05:59 PM
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A friend of mine takes his deer and elk each year and cans a lot of it, in quart-sized glass jars. He's worked over the recipe for the past couple of years and has got it to be a delicacy to twist open one of those jars for a meal. Also, it holds up in storage for a few years without any spoiling problems.
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12-01-2007, 07:26 PM
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We have a lot of the standards on hand, probably a weeks worth of food and water.My goal is to have at least a months worth stored up. I'm more worried about the economy going down the hopper than bandits at the door, although one might lead to the other happening. If it did happen, we have a plan of action. Every one should have one in place and be prepared to act upon it. One thing no body has mentioned in their stock up pantries is pet food. |
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12-01-2007, 07:47 PM
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We buy large bags of pet food too...even though we don't have pets, we feed some of the strays in the neighborhood. They depend on us now, so we try not to leave them hanging.
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12-01-2007, 08:32 PM
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12-01-2007, 09:39 PM
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Yes, but hopefully we'll not have to do so... I'm sure a diet of that sort would expire soon after the first bite and I'd be out hunting wild game to finish off the meal.
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12-01-2007, 10:54 PM
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We have an Archer Daniels Midland plant in our area. One day they produce dog food, the next bacon bits...  It's amazing what they do with soy these days.
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12-02-2007, 08:40 AM
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We do keep about 100 pounds of dry dog food on hand at all times. The problem with trying to store a large quantity is that dog food has a high fat content and goes rancid after a couple of months. Does anyone know of a long shelf life dog food? The dry kind not canned wet food. Both of our dogs are hunters but depending on the situation they might not be able to go out to hunt. Their are two major events going on this Sunday which will have an impact on our lives in one way or another. Both of these events are very similar in their goals, the first one is in Russia and the other in Venezuela. Both leaders of these countries are trying to extend their power and their ability to stay in power. Chavez has already stated that if the US questions the outcome of the vote or tries to take any action he will cut off the oil supply. This accounts for about 15% of our oil. Chavez seeks sweeping changes in vote - Yahoo! News In Putin's case we may see a return to Soviet politics and xenophobia, in short the return of the Cold War. Russian vote seen as referendum on Putin - Yahoo! News I mention these events because our safe society is a very fragile being. We can be thrown into an economic tailspin at any moment and we must prepare the best we can. Sometimes the Zombies are closer than we think. Last edited by mos19k; 12-02-2007 at 03:14 PM. |
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12-02-2007, 08:46 AM
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lol, you must live around Decatur. yep 1 day dog food next bacon bits all out of the same plant. My father has worked there for the last 30 years. Damn place almost killed him in the 98 explosion. One day its gonna wipe that town out. | |
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12-02-2007, 01:16 PM
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Mos19k... There are several ways to prolong shelf life of perishables that contain fat. The method I've learned about deals with the core problem, removal of potential surface contaminants and oxygen so the reaction of contaminants and oxygen on the fat doesn't cause breakdown and it then becoming rancid. We store some items in sealed containers, where oxygen has been sucked out (seal-a-meal), or where it has been forced out (using dry ice). These containers must be sanitary and air-tight. In the dry ice use, we buy five-gallon white (food grade) buckets, with a rubber seal ring around the lid. Placing a small amount of dry ice at the bottom (about the size of your palm) and then pouring in the contents, allowing it to stand just briefly as the dry ice vapors work their way to the top, and then we seal the container lid securely. This works very well in the storage of grains to keep out weevil. There are little (food grade) packets that can be purchased and placed inside the container that will remove oxygen. My wife and I use them in our #10 can storage when we're preparing storage items at the cannery. I haven't tried it yet with dog foods, but the practices of storage I've mentioned above encourage me to believe it would work. I need to give it a try, for our particular needs too. Also, years ago, there was a vacuum packed storage process used for extending the shelf life of TVP (texturized vegetable protien) that worked using the same methods. When it comes to meats or meat products, there needs to be a form of processing that creates a blanching and a vacuum pack, one that will withstand any chance of outside air and contaminants entering the container. This requires sterile containers and tight, monitorable seals...like a glass jar, flat lid and retainer ring. The example I gave earlier, about a friend who cans his deer/elk, is a good storage method that follows this practice. Hope this has been of some help for you and your storage needs...
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12-02-2007, 08:34 PM
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Back to the origional question I guess, depends what time of the day or night "thugs might intrude into the casa! We keep several firearms secreted where we can access them readily, of course the "thugs" would have to contend with the dogs for a moment or two allowing time to bring either my pistol or the lamb cleaver into play in either case there would be a heavily wounded thug or thugs to deal with. Natural diasaster? We normally keep about 2-3 weeks of canned and dry stores that would see us through and the river would provide all the boilable water we could possibly drink. A Gun grab I doubt will occur and even if it did there would be sufficient warning to "Liquidate those assets"
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12-04-2007, 12:27 PM
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You know I have a survival kit for survival in the woods and survival supplies for the house. I don't try to excessively store, but keep enough for a while. Hey you know those canned deer meat jars. They will last at least 10 years.
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