Us vs. Them

[JMcDonald]

You guys should read this. Its a report from Europe's Wall Street Journal about firearms.

I found it when looking for countries to escape to.

US vs. Switzerland Gun Laws

[Mooseman684]

Originally Posted by JMcDonald

You guys should read this. Its a report from Europe's Wall Street Journal about firearms.

I found it when looking for countries to escape to.

US vs. Switzerland Gun Laws

Great Reading...
Rich

[andrew cochran]

Well then it's time to start yer own counry. (don't mean to sound disrespectful)
Just like the colonist did!

[stitchclimber]

I'm moving to switzerland...

[privateer]

If the guys in the ninja suits do thier job right, you wont have a chance to argue the matter. But I still believe in this country and cant imagine it coming to that.

[perdidochas]

Originally Posted by chewy4480

I think the SHTF event is going to happen when our government try to take our guns. I know I'm not giving mine up without a fight.

It's not going to happen. However, should it happen, I personally will give up all the guns I've bought through gun stores (and hide the ones that I bought as private sales). No need to fight at this time.

Originally Posted by stitchclimber

I'm moving to switzerland...

The Swiss have very strict naturalization laws. It's almost impossible to become a Swiss citizen, except for by birth. Immigrants aren't going to be allowed to own guns.

[Muddog]

Never having been in the armed forces but knowing people that have, I don't see how the government would convince our military to take our guns. I would guess large numbers wouldn't fight for and probably fight against it. That being said, more taxes on and more regulations against firearm posession, along with bad press, seem to make it "unpopular" to get into shooting sports. I've been wrong many times before, but shrinking the 2nd Amendment population in a much more drawn-out process is what I would do if I was a closet socialist

[chewy4480]

Lets just hope we never have to find out what we would do.

[Rambo]

When they come for your guns, you'll cough them up like the good, little Americans that you are. After all, isn't that what we all believe in? Law and order. Surely no one's advocating anarchy here.

[chewy4480]

I believe in freedom.

[Windwalker]

I think "THEY" only need one more piece of legislation.

[Ghost]

Well said, Micheal. Unfortunately, I see this happening all over our country and American citizens are laying down and taking it.

It just makes me wonder, where will it stop and what will my kids have to give up later in life.

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by JMcDonald

You guys should read this. Its a report from Europe's Wall Street Journal about firearms.

I found it when looking for countries to escape to.

US vs. Switzerland Gun Laws

While I agree that an armed populace reduces crime, the Swiss example is not solely a result of gun politics.

Another factor is that there are few poor, violent minorities such as infest much of the cities in America. A small minority of the US population commits a very large porportion of the crime, and subsequently, have the highest membership in state prisons.

Many countries, Japan for instance, Switzerland for another, have populations almost exclusively of one race. I think that contributes to low crime.

This is not true in black Africa.

[Rex in OTZ]

I guess the best way is to have a std wood 6 gun glass front cabinet with some tame & very cheap sporting weapons in it,
the reality is the un-paperd ones you dont want the men from Uncle to see & grab hideing some place else.

[chewy4480]

We shouldn't wait to fix it after it happens. We need to fix it before it happens. The best way is education. As far back as I can remember there have been guns in my life. My dad always made sure I knew proper gun safety and never play with them. He didn't just tell me how he showed me. You can't just tell your kids not to touch guns and never show them one because when they find them they will just want to play with them to see what they are all about. If everyone would teach their kids about gun safety rather then just tell them they are bad I think there would be a lot less kid related accidents.

As for adults that use guns in crimes make the penalties harsher. Instead of letting someone that shot someone in a robbery out of jail in a few years cut their hand off. If they killed someone kill them. Then gun control would control its self.

There are a lot better ways to deal with the problem if someone in the government would grow some balls and put the ideas out there instead of taking the easy way out by taking our guns away.

[Mike Franklin]

'i am not going to get in a firefight with the united states government'

I thought we were the Gov't?

BTW, I've been a Cop 31+ years and I'm not going to take away anyones guns.

I do wonder how many of you guys are NRA members, volunteer to work on election campaigns or would show up at a pro-gun rally? If you won't do these easy things why expect you to stand and fight if need be.

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by Mike Franklin

'i am not going to get in a firefight with the united states government'

I thought we were the Gov't?

BTW, I've been a Cop 31+ years and I'm not going to take away anyones guns.

I do wonder how many of you guys are NRA members, volunteer to work on election campaigns or would show up at a pro-gun rally? If you won't do these easy things why expect you to stand and fight if need be.

Do you really feel like YOU are the government?

[JMcDonald]

Originally Posted by mitch_mckee

While I agree that an armed populace reduces crime, the Swiss example is not solely a result of gun politics.

Another factor is that there are few poor, violent minorities such as infest much of the cities in America. A small minority of the US population commits a very large porportion of the crime, and subsequently, have the highest membership in state prisons.

Many countries, Japan for instance, Switzerland for another, have populations almost exclusively of one race. I think that contributes to low crime.

This is not true in black Africa.

I am going to correct your racist comments, just so someone else doesnt think they are right or even implicitly accurate.

Every race has the same willingness and capability to be violent. I shouldn't have to give examples, but Im sure you've heard of the following few examples of large groups of a race committing haneous acts against others:
-Aryan Nazis
-European, Christian Crusaders (go through a region and kill everyone who doesn't think like you do).
-And, of course, the Klan.

The situation in Africa is no different than it was a few hundred years ago in Europe, and still quite similar to what it was like here in the States even more recently.


While it is true that minorities as a race are less privelaged in the U.S, the crime that tends to follow them has nothing to do specifically to the race. It is simply due to them having less to lose and more to gain by committing crimes. Im sure you haven't thought about this before, but gangs today are just like they were in Europe hundreds of years ago, and just like the Klan was earlier this century. It was just people who don't have much banding together to have a little security, which often results in blindly following others to stay "in." Think of all the whites killed for being "nigger lovers."

Race has nothing to do with crime or especially violence. Social classes have everything to do with it. The circumstances of this nation's history puts minorities at a social and economic disadvantage.

And chewy4480, +1 bro.

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by JMcDonald

I am going to correct your racist comments, just so someone else doesnt think they are right or even implicitly accurate.

Every race has the same willingness and capability to be violent. I shouldn't have to give examples, but Im sure you've heard of the following few examples of large groups of a race committing haneous acts against others:
-Aryan Nazis
-European, Christian Crusaders (go through a region and kill everyone who doesn't think like you do).
-And, of course, the Klan.

The situation in Africa is no different than it was a few hundred years ago in Europe, and still quite similar to what it was like here in the States even more recently.


While it is true that minorities as a race are less privelaged in the U.S, the crime that tends to follow them has nothing to do specifically to the race. It is simply due to them having less to lose and more to gain by committing crimes. Im sure you haven't thought about this before, but gangs today are just like they were in Europe hundreds of years ago, and just like the Klan was earlier this century. It was just people who don't have much banding together to have some resemblence of a family, which often results in blindly following others to stay "in." Think of all the whites killed for being "nigger lovers."

Race has nothing to do with crime or espevially violence. Social classes have everything to do with it. The circumstances of this nation's history puts minorities at a social and economic disadvantage.

And chewy4480, +1 bro.

presenting facts is not racist. The FACT is that blacks occupy a disporportional amount of legal system.

I suppose that you never wondered why the bad side of town is almost always a reference to the local black community?

United States - Punishment and Prejudice: Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs

Bureau of Justice Statistics Prison Statistics

Oh, BTW, get back to me when you find a country anywhere in Africa that has a stable, black, government.

[JMcDonald]

Originally Posted by mitch_mckee

presenting facts is not racist. The FACT is that blacks occupy a disporportional amount of legal system.

I didn't say that wasnt true. I said that you directly making the connection that "minority = violence" is incorrect.

Originally Posted by mitch_mckee

I suppose that you never wondered why the bad side of town is almost always a reference to the local black community?

Again, I didn't say that wasn't the case. In fact, I supported it. Minorities are statistically much poorer than whites in the U.S. Because poor people are more likely to commit crimes (typically involving property), and minorities are statistically much poorer than whites, there is a proportional amount of minorites in jail as to the wealth that said minorities hold.

Originally Posted by mitch_mckee

Oh, BTW, get back to me when you find a country anywhere in Africa that has a stable, black, government.

Go to ANY current 3rd-world country and find a stable government. BTW, all stable governments were founded on lakes of blood. Most African countries are filling those lakes right now, as did every other 1st-world country, and will eventually settle down.

BTW, Botswana is quite stable. According to the BBC, Botswana is "one of Africa's most stable countries, is the continent's longest continuous multi-party democracy. It is relatively free of corruption and has a good human rights record."
Look's like they are already catching up.

Additionally, Gabon is equally as stable and prosperous, with its rich supply of oil. Interestingly enough, that directly relates stability with income, just as I've been arguing.

To get us on the same page, Ill clarify: You are saying "Minorities are more likely to become criminals." I am correcting your statement by rephrasing it as "Poor people are more likely to become criminals. Being poor and being a minority are not fundamentally related as you imply. They are only related by circumstance. Just like someone saying "white people are wealthy," which is equally as ridiculous a blanket statement.