[larmus]

Quote:       Originally Posted by longway

E M P ! All electronic devices are done.that includes the ignition on 4 wheelers, toyotas, chevys,and hummers.your battery and electrical components would have to be incased in lead protective covers (coil,alternator,starter).

actually, all you need is whats called a faraday cage which is usually made from brass mesh, surounding all electronic devices and grounded to the earth... the emp pulse will follow around the cage and out via the grounding cable...

so if you line the inside of your garage with mesh and all the corners and edges touch, and you ground it out properly, all electronics in the cage will survive... or so i have read.

personaly, i would rather make a smaller cage and store extra parts and electrical gear in it and then swap it out at a later date... just me though...

[scroamer65]

Lets go back to BOV's which to means wheels meet the pavement.
You decide that SHTF has comes, you pack your vecheical, drive off to ??
Then you find every roadway clogged as far as your eye can see.
Now what ????

[ScottA320]

Off Road it, in the ditch or cross country. Better yet have a GPS, which should work as long as the sat's are still up and running, and take the back roads NOT the major freeways which of course ARE going to be clogged as far as the eye can see.

Improvise, overcome and adapt.

[AllAlaskan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by scroamer65

Lets go back to BOV's which to means wheels meet the pavement. You decide that SHTF has comes, you pack your vecheical, drive off to ?? Then you find every roadway clogged as far as your eye can see. Now what ????

Who said I would head for the highway lol....Up here atleast you can go almost any where using fourwheeler or snowmachine trails.

[curlessfamily@a]

My ultimate survival vehicle would be a Oshkosh PLS(M1074) complete with a 20ft long milvan converted into a self contained machine shop & living quarters (combination) and pulling a cargo trailer(M1076) with a flatrack(panel sides and tarpaulin) for any other supplies/salvage i may encounter. Off road capability(10x10) and a 33ton payload. What more could you ask for?
Anyone know if there is any surplus or recondition PLS vehicles available for sale to general public or veterans?

[Sam Ruger]

There are two opposing extremes between my father and I and, once a year, we share both of them. He has his $ 135,000 motorhome with it's Cummins diesel and I have my $ 800 Honda 450 motorcycle. That unit of his will maintain itself for quite awhile. But I can go where he can't (And most 4x4's too). We meet up in the mountains every summer. The motor home provides the base camp and I provide access to the inaccessible. There's a guy on this site that has a Kawasaki 650 off road/highway that gets 250 mpg and he's got it loaded with ammo cans. That's my next choice.

[XR750]

A ww-2 or Koeran war Dodge wepons carrier

[Draken]

Quote:       Originally Posted by curlessfamily@a

My ultimate survival vehicle would be a Oshkosh PLS(M1074) complete with a 20ft long milvan converted into a self contained machine shop & living quarters (combination) and pulling a cargo trailer(M1076) with a flatrack(panel sides and tarpaulin) for any other supplies/salvage i may encounter. Off road capability(10x10) and a 33ton payload. What more could you ask for? Anyone know if there is any surplus or recondition PLS vehicles available for sale to general public or veterans?

Oshkosh makes fun toys. While I was in I got to drive the HEMTT 8x8...was a lot of fun in ditches to only have the front most and rear most axles on the ground with the other 2 swinging freely

If possible to get, the PLS would be a great SHTF BOV...but for me, I love my little Subaru Impreza WRX wagon...and soon to get a Forester for the wife which would take over this duty. Reason for the Subaru choice? Reliability and gas mileage. With my turbo WRX I can easily pull 30mpg when driving sanely. Sure, I don't have the huge ground clearance, but around here, it's not really needed.

[Lcpl Martin]

Me and my friends always agrue over this but I think I am right. Everyone always talks about getting a big SUV or some other large truck, but in a full out SHTF where everyone is on their own I would look for a hybrid or if none could be found a small sedan preferably a Focus or Accord. And here is why.

1) Tear out the back seats, between the back and the trunk that is A LOT of storage. You could even fit a small dirt bike in there.
2)Gas mileage, if the SHTF for real gas, food, and ammunition is where it is all going to be at. Opportunist survivors will be hording, stealing, and kill for it all and having to feed your giant SUV 3 to 4 times the amount of fuel will only increase your need to trade, steal, or scavenge fuel. It like saying HELL YEA I GOT A MINIGUN!!! Well yea you do, but keeping that puppy supplied with ammo is going to be one hell of a task.
3)NOISE, NOISE, NOISE, and um NOISE. Guess how much noise a hybrid makes when your driving at low speeds? Almost none. Attracting attention to yourself is not a good thing. Smaller vehicles will give you a much better chance of moving around without attracting attention.
4) Parts, keeping your vehicle running (especialy if you are so inclined to customize your vehicle with some steel plating or whatever you want a vehicle that you can find parts for. (Thats right im looking at all you suckers calling out Hummers, 40 year old jeeps, and what not)


The downside of course are
1) Of road capacity. If you do end up needing to go off road an SUV, Truck, or jeep will of course give you better capabilities. (depending on where you live offroading will be more or less important. Around Missouri where I live heavy trees would make covering distance off road almost impossible.
2) Storage capacity. Yea you can carry more but unless you plan on constantly moving you won't want to keep to much stuff with you. A truck full of good or any large vehicle is a big sign that you have a lot of stuff to steal.

[AllAlaskan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Lcpl Martin

Me and my friends always agrue over this but I think I am right. Everyone always talks about getting a big SUV or some other large truck, but in a full out SHTF where everyone is on their own I would look for a hybrid or if none could be found a small sedan preferably a Focus or Accord. And here is why. 1) Tear out the back seats, between the back and the trunk that is A LOT of storage. You could even fit a small dirt bike in there. 2)Gas mileage, if the SHTF for real gas, food, and ammunition is where it is all going to be at. Opportunist survivors will be hording, stealing, and kill for it all and having to feed your giant SUV 3 to 4 times the amount of fuel will only increase your need to trade, steal, or scavenge fuel. It like saying HELL YEA I GOT A MINIGUN!!! Well yea you do, but keeping that puppy supplied with ammo is going to be one hell of a task. 3)NOISE, NOISE, NOISE, and um NOISE. Guess how much noise a hybrid makes when your driving at low speeds? Almost none. Attracting attention to yourself is not a good thing. Smaller vehicles will give you a much better chance of moving around without attracting attention. 4) Parts, keeping your vehicle running (especialy if you are so inclined to customize your vehicle with some steel plating or whatever you want a vehicle that you can find parts for. (Thats right im looking at all you suckers calling out Hummers, 40 year old jeeps, and what not) The downside of course are 1) Of road capacity. If you do end up needing to go off road an SUV, Truck, or jeep will of course give you better capabilities. (depending on where you live offroading will be more or less important. Around Missouri where I live heavy trees would make covering distance off road almost impossible. 2) Storage capacity. Yea you can carry more but unless you plan on constantly moving you won't want to keep to much stuff with you. A truck full of good or any large vehicle is a big sign that you have a lot of stuff to steal.

I see one problum with this, the Ford Focus is not a Hybrid I owned a 05 for a while and i will attest they can get 36mpg though and still wup the pants off just about any Civic lol.

[Lcpl Martin]

Quote:       Originally Posted by AllAlaskan

I see one problum with this, the Ford Focus is not a Hybrid I owned a 05 for a while and i will attest they can get 36mpg though and still wup the pants off just about any Civic lol.

Psh thats why I said OR jeez man!

[AllAlaskan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Lcpl Martin

Psh thats why I said OR jeez man!

:P I didnt see that, I had to harrass you about that though lol I miss my lil focus though, I had a 05 ZX5 (4 door hatchback) and you could fold the back seats down and fit ALOT of crap in the back of that lil car.

[Mr.Buildit]

my SHTF vehicle will be a team of mules and wagon. you can haul a surprisingly large amount of ammo and supplies with mules. I'll have a horse for daily riding needs. equines will be virtually uneffected by an EMP device, so while you're all fixing your vehicles i'll be moving out.

[ArkansasHunter]

My SHTF vehicle is a custom built PoGo stick...You can get gone in a hurry on that thang and it would be hard to shoot you.
Only one problem though if your forced to ride it long is when you stop and get off of it. The whole world is still going up and down and you'll feel sickly for a while.

If you've ever seen Kangaroo's Hopping all out trien to get away from something then you'll know my custom made PoGo stick will be the same with me on it.

You also have to stay out of the woods with it because of all the tree branchs.
I learned the hard way...AH

[tommy]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Lcpl Martin

Me and my friends always agrue over this but I think I am right. Everyone always talks about getting a big SUV or some other large truck, but in a full out SHTF where everyone is on their own I would look for a hybrid or if none could be found a small sedan preferably a Focus or Accord. And here is why. 1) Tear out the back seats, between the back and the trunk that is A LOT of storage. You could even fit a small dirt bike in there. 2)Gas mileage, if the SHTF for real gas, food, and ammunition is where it is all going to be at. Opportunist survivors will be hording, stealing, and kill for it all and having to feed your giant SUV 3 to 4 times the amount of fuel will only increase your need to trade, steal, or scavenge fuel. It like saying HELL YEA I GOT A MINIGUN!!! Well yea you do, but keeping that puppy supplied with ammo is going to be one hell of a task. 3)NOISE, NOISE, NOISE, and um NOISE. Guess how much noise a hybrid makes when your driving at low speeds? Almost none. Attracting attention to yourself is not a good thing. Smaller vehicles will give you a much better chance of moving around without attracting attention. 4) Parts, keeping your vehicle running (especialy if you are so inclined to customize your vehicle with some steel plating or whatever you want a vehicle that you can find parts for. (Thats right im looking at all you suckers calling out Hummers, 40 year old jeeps, and what not) The downside of course are 1) Of road capacity. If you do end up needing to go off road an SUV, Truck, or jeep will of course give you better capabilities. (depending on where you live offroading will be more or less important. Around Missouri where I live heavy trees would make covering distance off road almost impossible. 2) Storage capacity. Yea you can carry more but unless you plan on constantly moving you won't want to keep to much stuff with you. A truck full of good or any large vehicle is a big sign that you have a lot of stuff to steal.

sorry to spoil it for yu but i have a little aveo and it's great on gas till i load it down and that little engine starts to bog down heck with just 4 adults in it it has trouble keepin a constant speed up a bridge or incline. sure they would be nice just for one or two people with no extra weight meaning cloths and stuff but try loading them down with two people and a few guns and all the cloths and food and ammo and the axle will probably fall right off of the little gocarts. i put a sound system in my little aveo 1000 watts to the 15 sub and 200 watts to the mids and highs totall wieght might have been 150lbs and that car was pothetic it had no more power and that great gas mileage just went right out the window. now sisne i done took all that out and just use it for getting around town it's the best little car you can imagine and the gas mileage is back to being around 30/36 mpg.

with that being said i would really look into a small suv or a small 4x4 truck like a toyota or nissan they get pretty good gas mileage and they ain't to big. the last thing you want is a bulky car or truck when you might have to sqeaze around broke down cars on the highway.but then again a huge dodge diesel with a big transer tank full of fuel in the bed would be a good choice to because you would have the hauling power and the power topush things out the way. not to mention with both tanks you could travel atleast 1000 miles before needing to look for fuel. another good thing about deisel is if someone shoots at you and they do hit the feul tank deisel isn't as flamable as gas and it will not explode like gas.

[larmus]

still going to stick with my jeep wrangler, i can go anywhere i need to and with five people and supplies i still get about 15 mpg, i can do all maintanence myself and parts can come from any jeep from the yrs 81' to 95' and from the small dodge dakotas from about 91' to 95' same trans and engines as the jeeps...

might invest in one of those on-board welders and air tanks... carry some welding sticks and a 1/4" die grinder w/ cutting wheel and wire brush and grindin wheel.

[338RUM]

I am gonna have to say my 92 ford explorer, it goes where I need it, parts around here are plentiful and it gets around 18/20 mpg. It has plenty of power and ground clearance and is skinny enough to go on 4 wheeler trails. What more could I ask for... plus it looks like crap so that means it does not give the big STEAL ME sign. I would also consider a team of cows and a wagon as I am up for anything plus who else can eat there engine???

[sea_chicken1]

I Like my 77 Blazer, it's not the best on gas but everything under the hood is simple to work on and parts are easy to find for it. If it came down to a pinch I could mount an older chevy diesel right up to the 400 tranny and keep rollin.

[PaleHawkDown]

what about something small like a Gator? they are amphibious, great on gas and they will go down all but the tiniest trails, plus there is room to store stuff. On the other hand if the SHTF totally I want to hide until things calm down a little bit, then sneak into a Guard armory for a Bradley assault vehicle or some kind of LAT troop transport. Chances are the Guard would have been long overrun in that event and most looters would go for Humm-Vs and guns. Light armor, plenty of storage, room for 6 people if necessary and roadblocks and stalled cars are no problem, plus many of these Troop transport/light tank vehicles have been converted to run off gas, deisl and kerosene all at the flip of a switch.

[338RUM]

yeah it is called a turbine engine it runs on anything combustible (or so I have heard) the abrams tanks have them... 1500 horsepower... Can you say Tim Allen's wet dream?