VIABILITY of the 17 hmr as a CoMbAt and SHTF rifle

tamalpias · 06-08-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by eagle4g63

I don't know. I looked at them on a few sights and they said it could but the pressure needed in the tank is asssstonomical I can't see pumping that up with a hand pump or my compressor!!!

so if this shtf scenario is to happen we are to rely u[on the fact that electricity will be flowing so we can use our air compressors to keep it filled? Quite frankly i rather trust my life on something i know will work.

M14man · 06-08-2009, 08:17 PM

Right on eagle...when used as a food getter, it could be useful as long as it doesn't blow the critter up. I would still chose a sub velocity .22 though over .17 for quiet shots due to the sonic crack.

eagle4g63 · 06-08-2009, 08:20 PM

That is why I have real guns, I do have a break action pellet gun or if you are feeling Native(since I am a Native American) I have the good old bow and arrow(modern style compound of coarse). Hey I like the electric that is why I have a generator. Or if you like I can fire up the gas powered air compressor!!!LOL
I also have a whole heap of construction tools(General Contractor for 12 years)

eagle4g63 · 06-08-2009, 08:22 PM

Yeah I have a 22 also but I can't get head shots on a quarter at 100 yards like the 17, I'll have to post a pic of it, by far the coolest thing I've done so far at a range!!!

eagle4g63 · 06-08-2009, 08:28 PM

Just so no-one thinks I'm making it up LOL!!

tamalpias · 06-08-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by eagle4g63

That is why I have real guns, I do have a break action pellet gun or if you are feeling Native(since I am a Native American) I have the good old bow and arrow(modern style compound of coarse). Hey I like the electric that is why I have a generator. Or if you like I can fire up the gas powered air compressor!!!LOL
I also have a whole heap of construction tools(General Contractor for 12 years)

but what happens when you run out of gas? In a SHTF scenario gas or propane to run your generators would be in limited supply. Look at what happened when Hurricane Katrina or any major disaster hit the area, gasoline was the first thing that runs out.

Like you said, stick to the proven suff.

eagle4g63 · 06-08-2009, 08:34 PM

Well i won't get into details but I am working on converting some of my gas engines to run on water, you heard it right. Not technically water but the hydrogen in water through a very simple processes that breaks the molecules apart and lets you use the hydrogen atom and releasing the oxygen atom. But I do agree with the fact that you do need to be ready for anything and can't rely on modern contraptions...get to the basics it will be more convenient and lighter on the move!!!

tamalpias · 06-08-2009, 08:42 PM

true true! but how would you make hydrogen from water without electricity?

Metronome · 06-08-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by eagle4g63

Just so no-one thinks I'm making it up LOL!!

Freaking awesome!
What power scope do you have on that baby?
Now if you can do it again with some Canadian money I won't notify the Treasury!

eagle4g63 · 06-08-2009, 08:49 PM

wind and sun, my man, wind and sun. other than that a small battery will generate enough hydrogen to run an engine with an alternator or generator you can recharge batteries or make raw electric to use. It's the same principal your car runs on everyday. the battery isn't needed to run the car just to start it. the old cars didn't need batteries they cranked them by hand to get them started then the generator(back then it wasn't an alternator) takes over to keep the electric flowing. I also forgot you could have a water mill if you are near a stream.

eagle4g63 · 06-08-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Metronome

Freaking awesome!
What power scope do you have on that baby?
Now if you can do it again with some Canadian money I won't notify the Treasury!

I have the sweet 17 made by BSA it goes up to 18 I believe. It's a little bigger that the one I have on my AR-10. My dad, brother and I went to the range and were shooting at paper they bet I couldn't keep a 5 shot group in a hole the size of a quarter soo.... I tried, the second shot hit the side and took it off the target so couldn't take the other three shots. We have to find something else to shot at cause that was too much fun and don't want to keep shooting money(it's wrong and too D#$B expensive)
Me and my buddy were shooting empty rifle cases with that thing way cool of a gun!!!

tamalpias · 06-08-2009, 08:56 PM

If you have a wind mill or solar panels that would work, but how many city folks talking in this forum would have one let alone be able to take it out into the wilderness with them when this SHTF scenario happens? BTW you can't have a positive gain on energy creation (ie electricity) without the consumption of something else (like gasoline). You will always be in the hole unless you have a way to use reusable resources like wind and solar energy. But even with solar and wind you will have to have a way to store that electricity and most modern battery only have a 5-7 years max shelf life. In the long term in order for our civilization to continue we will need to havesome sort of modern intervention.

eagle4g63 · 06-08-2009, 09:04 PM

I agree with that, the battery would be a short fix but how many SHTF moment have been in our history world wide that lasted longer than that. Something has to give eventually, and order will be restored after the loss of whatever trouble comes our way. I don't think these are things for everybody, just not feasible but that is what will weed out the weak. Not trying to say I (or anybody) am better that the next guy but you have to have the will to make things work and most people do. All the things we enjoy are just for passing time the bare essentials in life are here on earth already all around us and in the end if things last longer than the simple pleasures in life, then we can still live just without computers and cars and other fun stuff!

tamalpias · 06-08-2009, 09:10 PM

Eagle i agree with your assessments. The fact that almost all of us are dependent upon how this modern world is set up for us that sure we can plan, we can better our position for survival by preparing but how often does anarchy happen? How would most of us live without modern medicine? Although i am only 32 and have no medical issues but how would my parents who use daily blood pressure medications survive without them for a prolonged period of time? All I am trying to say is that if it ever gets to the point where we have to shoot our neighbors to defend ourselves then what society will we be returning to?

eagle4g63 · 06-08-2009, 09:16 PM

I agree, I'm 36 and both my parents are on daily pill intake. I shudder when thinking about it. Look at Y2K what a mess of panic that was but nothing happened. I do believe that the next thing will be worse and a little prep is in order just like everyday you take a spare tire just in case!

tamalpias · 06-08-2009, 09:22 PM

Well like you i am prepared. Living in earthquake country and seeing what happened in the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake I am always self sufficient. Being an outdoorsman type of guy who also backpacks I can survive with my rations for at least 2 months. I also have means of water filtration (RO unit) to tons of canned and freeze dried back packers food laying around. I am not personally worried but if this scenerio does happen I know I will have a dozen family members who will seek me out for refuge since none of them hunt, own a gun, or prepared themselves. :-/

eagle4g63 · 06-08-2009, 09:28 PM

Yeah I have a couple of buddies that bought a piece of property in nowhere ville and they all have collected something for the in case and told me that me and my family is welcome cause they all now I have the guns and they don't!!!LOL
All my can goods are in the form of ammo cans LOL other than that I just have what I need for the time being and figure I can hunt for anything else.
I've been putting together a survival kit if you want to call it that, and one of the things I read about and thought was interesting was a rock(I believe a type of crystal) that emits light all the time, very interesting. Haven't got one yet but I'll have to look it up and let you know in case you are interested.

tamalpias · 06-08-2009, 09:36 PM

Sure, being a backpacker who goes for up to 2 weeks in Yosemite each year I always like taking along things that makes my life easier.

eagle4g63 · 06-08-2009, 09:50 PM

I looked it up and it is called a BETA light, it's suppose to be a light emitting crystal about the size of a coin. It was in one of my survival books.

knightRider · 06-09-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JMcDonald

He made this thread because he was frustrated at how many people are smart enough to realize that you don't need a full-auto Mini-14 to "survive."

NO THAT'S A FUN GUN ,

to survive i take 1 ak , 2 glocks , my remington 700 , remington 870 and my 1911.
that is me and my wife's bugout bag.

06-08-2009, 08:20 PM	#23
eagle4g63 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: indiana Posts: 189	That is why I have real guns, I do have a break action pellet gun or if you are feeling Native(since I am a Native American) I have the good old bow and arrow(modern style compound of coarse). Hey I like the electric that is why I have a generator. Or if you like I can fire up the gas powered air compressor!!!LOL I also have a whole heap of construction tools(General Contractor for 12 years) __________________ Gun control is putting 2 bullets in the same hole.

06-08-2009, 08:22 PM	#24
eagle4g63 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: indiana Posts: 189	Yeah I have a 22 also but I can't get head shots on a quarter at 100 yards like the 17, I'll have to post a pic of it, by far the coolest thing I've done so far at a range!!! __________________ Gun control is putting 2 bullets in the same hole.

06-08-2009, 08:28 PM	#25
eagle4g63 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: indiana Posts: 189	Just so no-one thinks I'm making it up LOL!! __________________ Gun control is putting 2 bullets in the same hole.

06-08-2009, 08:34 PM	#27
eagle4g63 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: indiana Posts: 189	Well i won't get into details but I am working on converting some of my gas engines to run on water, you heard it right. Not technically water but the hydrogen in water through a very simple processes that breaks the molecules apart and lets you use the hydrogen atom and releasing the oxygen atom. But I do agree with the fact that you do need to be ready for anything and can't rely on modern contraptions...get to the basics it will be more convenient and lighter on the move!!! __________________ Gun control is putting 2 bullets in the same hole.

06-08-2009, 08:49 PM	#30
eagle4g63 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: indiana Posts: 189	wind and sun, my man, wind and sun. other than that a small battery will generate enough hydrogen to run an engine with an alternator or generator you can recharge batteries or make raw electric to use. It's the same principal your car runs on everyday. the battery isn't needed to run the car just to start it. the old cars didn't need batteries they cranked them by hand to get them started then the generator(back then it wasn't an alternator) takes over to keep the electric flowing. I also forgot you could have a water mill if you are near a stream. __________________ Gun control is putting 2 bullets in the same hole.

06-08-2009, 08:17 PM	#22
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 1,324	Right on eagle...when used as a food getter, it could be useful as long as it doesn't blow the critter up. I would still chose a sub velocity .22 though over .17 for quiet shots due to the sonic crack.

06-08-2009, 08:42 PM	#28
tamalpias Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 528	true true! but how would you make hydrogen from water without electricity?

06-08-2009, 08:56 PM	#32
tamalpias Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 528	If you have a wind mill or solar panels that would work, but how many city folks talking in this forum would have one let alone be able to take it out into the wilderness with them when this SHTF scenario happens? BTW you can't have a positive gain on energy creation (ie electricity) without the consumption of something else (like gasoline). You will always be in the hole unless you have a way to use reusable resources like wind and solar energy. But even with solar and wind you will have to have a way to store that electricity and most modern battery only have a 5-7 years max shelf life. In the long term in order for our civilization to continue we will need to havesome sort of modern intervention.

06-08-2009, 09:04 PM	#33
eagle4g63 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: indiana Posts: 189	I agree with that, the battery would be a short fix but how many SHTF moment have been in our history world wide that lasted longer than that. Something has to give eventually, and order will be restored after the loss of whatever trouble comes our way. I don't think these are things for everybody, just not feasible but that is what will weed out the weak. Not trying to say I (or anybody) am better that the next guy but you have to have the will to make things work and most people do. All the things we enjoy are just for passing time the bare essentials in life are here on earth already all around us and in the end if things last longer than the simple pleasures in life, then we can still live just without computers and cars and other fun stuff! __________________ Gun control is putting 2 bullets in the same hole.

06-08-2009, 09:10 PM	#34
tamalpias Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 528	Eagle i agree with your assessments. The fact that almost all of us are dependent upon how this modern world is set up for us that sure we can plan, we can better our position for survival by preparing but how often does anarchy happen? How would most of us live without modern medicine? Although i am only 32 and have no medical issues but how would my parents who use daily blood pressure medications survive without them for a prolonged period of time? All I am trying to say is that if it ever gets to the point where we have to shoot our neighbors to defend ourselves then what society will we be returning to?

06-08-2009, 09:16 PM	#35
eagle4g63 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: indiana Posts: 189	I agree, I'm 36 and both my parents are on daily pill intake. I shudder when thinking about it. Look at Y2K what a mess of panic that was but nothing happened. I do believe that the next thing will be worse and a little prep is in order just like everyday you take a spare tire just in case! __________________ Gun control is putting 2 bullets in the same hole.

06-08-2009, 09:22 PM	#36
tamalpias Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 528	Well like you i am prepared. Living in earthquake country and seeing what happened in the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake I am always self sufficient. Being an outdoorsman type of guy who also backpacks I can survive with my rations for at least 2 months. I also have means of water filtration (RO unit) to tons of canned and freeze dried back packers food laying around. I am not personally worried but if this scenerio does happen I know I will have a dozen family members who will seek me out for refuge since none of them hunt, own a gun, or prepared themselves. :-/

06-08-2009, 09:28 PM	#37
eagle4g63 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: indiana Posts: 189	Yeah I have a couple of buddies that bought a piece of property in nowhere ville and they all have collected something for the in case and told me that me and my family is welcome cause they all now I have the guns and they don't!!!LOL All my can goods are in the form of ammo cans LOL other than that I just have what I need for the time being and figure I can hunt for anything else. I've been putting together a survival kit if you want to call it that, and one of the things I read about and thought was interesting was a rock(I believe a type of crystal) that emits light all the time, very interesting. Haven't got one yet but I'll have to look it up and let you know in case you are interested. __________________ Gun control is putting 2 bullets in the same hole.

06-08-2009, 09:36 PM	#38
tamalpias Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 528	Sure, being a backpacker who goes for up to 2 weeks in Yosemite each year I always like taking along things that makes my life easier.

06-08-2009, 09:50 PM	#39
eagle4g63 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: indiana Posts: 189	I looked it up and it is called a BETA light, it's suppose to be a light emitting crystal about the size of a coin. It was in one of my survival books. __________________ Gun control is putting 2 bullets in the same hole.