An odd, but valid home defense question...

Pyro01 · 09-25-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by calboy147

I think your question was a little misleading.You axed about the perverbial SHTF situation. In which case i would definately want a couple black powder weapons lying around simply because i can make all my on ammo from scratch. not knowing how long the "s" will be on the fan i may be temted to try to conserve my 12 ga ammo.
But in the event of a home invasion type scenario all other circumstances being even i will try to aquire the shotgun.

I asked this question when I only had those two weapons as viable shtf weapons because I didn't have my S&W 460 revolver yet. Now I can use my S&W or my Winchester 1300 loaded with buckshot/slugs/birdshot.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 09-25-2009, 10:49 PM

Yer good to go then.

Lobo0311 · 09-27-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tommy

i have never ever heard of the inner walls of a house being insulated. the only walls that are insulated are the outside walls . now i have seen people who have a recording studio in their house and they took and insulated one room with acoustic foam but thats it.

Are you assumiong that the only place you'll have to defend yourself is in the center of your home? I know a lot of folks who keep a shotgun in the entry way closet, I think unless you are prepared to defend yourself at all times in all areas of your home you will ultimately lose the fight ( not necessarily YOU personally, just using you as a generalization).

tommy · 09-27-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lobo0311

Are you assumiong that the only place you'll have to defend yourself is in the center of your home? I know a lot of folks who keep a shotgun in the entry way closet, I think unless you are prepared to defend yourself at all times in all areas of your home you will ultimately lose the fight ( not necessarily YOU personally, just using you as a generalization).

what does defending myself in my home have to do with me not ever seeing an inside wall insulated??

bearcreek · 10-06-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tommy

i have never ever heard of the inner walls of a house being insulated. the only walls that are insulated are the outside walls . now i have seen people who have a recording studio in their house and they took and insulated one room with acoustic foam but thats it.

FWIW its standard practice around here to insulate interior walls on bathrooms and sometimes bedrooms as well.

tommy · 10-07-2009, 12:00 AM

other than sound why would you insulate the interior wall?an interior wall won't protect your ac/heat from the outside any. now the sound yes i guess it would be nice to have some silencer on the toilet room because you don't wanna blowbutt and have the company here you.

Dragunov · 10-07-2009, 04:35 PM

Any firearm will penetrate an uninsulated dryboard wall at 15-20 feet including a good quality .17 CO2 powered pellet rifle. Think I'm kidding? try it sometime.

When I was a kid, we used to shoot at the inside walls of an old abandoned house with pellet guns and BB guns.

The BBs would almost penetrate the first layer of drywall, the pellet rifle went through both sides EVERY time! I don't know how much poop the pellet had after the second layer, but I don't think I'd want it hitting me afterwards in any case.
Rule of thumb: Learn to aim and be careful!, you can kill or injure someone with just about any firearm through a dryboard wall.

Archetype_wyo · 10-07-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragunov

Any firearm will penetrate an uninsulated dryboard wall at 15-20 feet including a good quality .17 CO2 powered pellet rifle. Think I'm kidding? try it sometime.

When I was a kid, we used to shoot at the inside walls of an old abandoned house with pellet guns and BB guns.

The BBs would almost penetrate the first layer of drywall, the pellet rifle went through both sides EVERY time! I don't know how much poop the pellet had after the second layer, but I don't think I'd want it hitting me afterwards in any case.
Rule of thumb: Learn to aim and be careful!, you can kill or injure someone with just about any firearm through a dryboard wall.

The Box O' Truth - Ammo Penetration Testing proves it.

larmus · 10-07-2009, 05:49 PM

OH I so hate the box of truth when it comes to shotgun loads... it ercks the heck outta me... "bird shots for little birds" all i read was blah, blah, blah, im a dirty tramp...

G. Green · 10-08-2009, 02:03 PM

On the subject of buckshot. If you're going to use buck buy as many brands as your wallet allows and go to the trouble of going to the range and patterning your particular shotgun. Almost all shotguns have a brand that they shoot considerably better than others. I've seen hundreds of 870s put through this drill and more often than not they shoot a tighter buck group with Federal (don't know why, they just do)
And keep in mind that at room distances it's almost as easy to miss with buck as it is with a rifle.

tommy · 10-08-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by G. Green

On the subject of buckshot. If you're going to use buck buy as many brands as your wallet allows and go to the trouble of going to the range and patterning your particular shotgun. Almost all shotguns have a brand that they shoot considerably better than others. I've seen hundreds of 870s put through this drill and more often than not they shoot a tighter buck group with Federal (don't know why, they just do)
And keep in mind that at room distances it's almost as easy to miss with buck as it is with a rifle.

in a romm or house i think the furthest shot you would have is about 10' and after shooting alot of buckshot and sugs in my hunting days i know for a fact that 10' isn't enough distance for the pellets to open up and spread so for home defence it really wouldn't matter what brand you shoot it's still gonna concentrate to a 12" or less pattern in a house situation.

Deep13 · 10-16-2009, 02:10 PM

12 gauge. Make sure you have some paper towels on hand to clean up the puddle of liquid that will accumulate under an assailant when he finds himself looking down that long barrel pointed at his head.

hay1 · 10-16-2009, 04:19 PM

I have a SXS 20 gauge hammer shotgun loaded with #4 shot. Ready and waiting for the unlucky perp that TRIES to gain entrance to my castle. Shoot first, ask questions later. Shoot to kill, as dead people tell no tales.

blue fox · 10-24-2009, 12:21 PM

I much prefer a 12 ga, especially since the sound of a pump gun slide usually gets peoples attention even in the dark

G. Green · 10-24-2009, 04:41 PM

Know why police officers are issued handguns? Because we can't reasonably expect them to carry the shotgun or rifle everywhere they go. Whenever there's a choice 'tween a long gun and a handgun you're almost always better off with the long gun. Just keep in mind that at close ranges shoot the shotgun like you had it stoked with slugs, the buck doesn't really open up a lot until it gets several yards downrange.

alwaysaz · 10-29-2009, 09:41 PM

I think everyone should try to go to areas where you can shoot different metal and wood things. Just make sure you take ALL of your junk out of there and some of what others leave behind and the world is a better place. Just be safe. (Pay attention to how many layers of crap a .357 flies through ... it's like a riffle. Not my 1st 2nd or 3rd HD choice. JMHO.)

Billyz · 10-30-2009, 02:38 AM

most all threads should stop at some point.

alwaysaz · 10-30-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Billyz

most all threads should stop at some point.

Sir yes sir. Glad you got on here to tell us what to do.

09-25-2009, 10:49 PM	#62
Capt'n Mil Coll Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 3,386 Images: 45	Yer good to go then. __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

10-07-2009, 12:00 AM	#66
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,846 Images: 6	other than sound why would you insulate the interior wall?an interior wall won't protect your ac/heat from the outside any. now the sound yes i guess it would be nice to have some silencer on the toilet room because you don't wanna blowbutt and have the company here you. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

10-07-2009, 05:49 PM	#69
larmus Domestic Engineer Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: arizona Posts: 3,159 Images: 6	OH I so hate the box of truth when it comes to shotgun loads... it ercks the heck outta me... "bird shots for little birds" all i read was blah, blah, blah, im a dirty tramp... __________________ Lawrence Home Defense: .45 and a Shovel...

10-16-2009, 02:10 PM	#72
Deep13 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 594	12 gauge. Make sure you have some paper towels on hand to clean up the puddle of liquid that will accumulate under an assailant when he finds himself looking down that long barrel pointed at his head. __________________ That which can be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

10-30-2009, 02:38 AM	#77
Billyz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 241	most all threads should stop at some point. __________________ COG #47

10-07-2009, 04:35 PM	#67
Dragunov Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Peoples Repooblik of Kaliforniastan. Posts: 608	Any firearm will penetrate an uninsulated dryboard wall at 15-20 feet including a good quality .17 CO2 powered pellet rifle. Think I'm kidding? try it sometime. When I was a kid, we used to shoot at the inside walls of an old abandoned house with pellet guns and BB guns. The BBs would almost penetrate the first layer of drywall, the pellet rifle went through both sides EVERY time! I don't know how much poop the pellet had after the second layer, but I don't think I'd want it hitting me afterwards in any case. Rule of thumb: Learn to aim and be careful!, you can kill or injure someone with just about any firearm through a dryboard wall.

10-08-2009, 02:03 PM	#70
G. Green Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NE OK Posts: 464	On the subject of buckshot. If you're going to use buck buy as many brands as your wallet allows and go to the trouble of going to the range and patterning your particular shotgun. Almost all shotguns have a brand that they shoot considerably better than others. I've seen hundreds of 870s put through this drill and more often than not they shoot a tighter buck group with Federal (don't know why, they just do) And keep in mind that at room distances it's almost as easy to miss with buck as it is with a rifle.

10-16-2009, 04:19 PM	#73
hay1 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: republic of Texas Posts: 49	I have a SXS 20 gauge hammer shotgun loaded with #4 shot. Ready and waiting for the unlucky perp that TRIES to gain entrance to my castle. Shoot first, ask questions later. Shoot to kill, as dead people tell no tales.

10-24-2009, 12:21 PM	#74
blue fox Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 8	I much prefer a 12 ga, especially since the sound of a pump gun slide usually gets peoples attention even in the dark

10-24-2009, 04:41 PM	#75
G. Green Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NE OK Posts: 464	Know why police officers are issued handguns? Because we can't reasonably expect them to carry the shotgun or rifle everywhere they go. Whenever there's a choice 'tween a long gun and a handgun you're almost always better off with the long gun. Just keep in mind that at close ranges shoot the shotgun like you had it stoked with slugs, the buck doesn't really open up a lot until it gets several yards downrange.

10-29-2009, 09:41 PM	#76
alwaysaz Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 47	I think everyone should try to go to areas where you can shoot different metal and wood things. Just make sure you take ALL of your junk out of there and some of what others leave behind and the world is a better place. Just be safe. (Pay attention to how many layers of crap a .357 flies through ... it's like a riffle. Not my 1st 2nd or 3rd HD choice. JMHO.)