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09-14-2009, 12:27 AM
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| SHTF scenario
If our country collapsped into SHTF, by whatever reasons, and a foriegn military moved in, who would it be, where and how would they land, and whats your opinion of our then remaining government to fire nukes on our own soil? Plus a few zombies running around, of course 
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09-14-2009, 12:46 AM
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I think it would come from within. You name it, illegal aliens, extremists from either the left or right, localized terrorist organizations that stage a coordinated attack in all major cities... Then, possibly seeing the disorientation, China or Russia might attack. It may be said to be foreign "aid" to help us in our time of need, but once they are here, no doubt they would try to take over. I am sure it would be in all fasions. We would see HALO jumps from above. We would see sea landings, etc... Our government doesn't care about us. They care about their own hide, their power, control and money. If the invasion force was large enough and it caused the government to those things, they would not think twice about nuking areas of resistance and attack forces. Your best bet would be to evacuate highly populated areas, and perhaps try to locate yourself beneath ground somewhere...and hope that no one comes to 'clear' you out.
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09-14-2009, 12:47 AM
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Canada, North Dakota and yes. Oh, and the Zombies plagues will start in New York and Los Angeles, simultaneously of course.
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09-14-2009, 08:31 AM
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Islamic extremists flooding in through Mexico, especially if Aztlan/La Raza really makes a big play to take our southwestern states. Then, the current administration might ask for UN 'aid' in quelling the trouble, but they would end up ignoring that area and stationing Blue Helmets in our central and eastern states to put down the citizen protests and disarm us. All in the name of "peace keeping" of course.......
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09-14-2009, 10:06 AM
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i wouldn't worry about invasion by another gummint. but i think that the Mexican drug lords might be emboldened enough to try to take over territory in the American SW. if any nukes were used they would be of the tactical variety. but as the training manual says, if nuke has to be used, you may win the battle, but you lose for allowing the situation to get to that point. zombies would be the least of your worries. them  me..
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09-14-2009, 01:43 PM
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most like it will come up from the southern states, cali, az, nm and texas... since most of mexico hates us anyway they will not tip us to an impending invasion. it will happen like 9/11 our gaurd is down and they will rush in and take land before we even have a chance to react... in cali they might get as far as LA... in arizona they will get as far as pheonix in my opinion there is nuthin to stop them like all the subburbs in cali, this is the same for new mexico as well hardly any major cities between them and the northern part of the state... then well into texas maybe even fortworth/dallas area... BUT this is all contingent on a surgical strike from the enemy with mass forces behind the attack. Most likely if they did invade they will be detected with in the first 10 to 20 miles over the border and then any military bases will roll out and desimate the invaders and then the border states will be a war zone from about 30miles down and all the way from cali to texas... you will get pockets of civilian resistance groups who will try to help our military and may or may not work, most likely they will be killed if not disarmed and detained for a "debriefing" to gleen any info of them then they would be shipped out of the area, it deffinetly will not be like the movies where the resistance works with our millitary and are considered heros... aint gonna happen... p.s. nuclear strike on american soil is not an option, our govt. aint that stupid, i hope... Jmo!
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09-14-2009, 02:21 PM
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Nuking California may not be a bad thing especially if Nancy Pelosi in back home at the time. J/K
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09-14-2009, 03:04 PM
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China won't invade. They aren't really of an expansionist mentality outside their own immediate neighborhood. I foresee disease or financial collapse causing sufficient chaos to initiate the meltdown. Then the UN comes in to "help" and never leaves. WOrld government is establihed and US sovereignty is history. Doc |
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09-14-2009, 04:30 PM
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From all the times I've been in central Mexico. They like us and have too many relatives living here. Their military wouldn't invade. They have to hard a time controling down there. Look for a race war here. It won't be black on white. It will be brown on black. If anybody invades it will be the Iranians, or should I say Persians. I just say buy more ammo. A gun without ammo is a stick. |
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09-14-2009, 09:25 PM
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I was thinking along the same lines as doc jones. If they did bring the un in it would be one hell of a turkey shoot.
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09-14-2009, 09:35 PM
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09-14-2009, 10:06 PM
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Depends on the situation, but offhand, an internal fight. Maybe a race war (I hope not) but more likely lib controlled LE or BATFE vs. Us Whom to avoid? Hard to say for sure. LEO probably. As I work for the military, all of them I know are of a "I'm on your side" mindset, including the officers, but who knows for sure. I would hope that G&Gers would be ok. It will be tension then something will trigger a snap and we're in full SHTF. I will be surprised if it doesn't happen in the next three years. Or.... 2) There won't be a SHTF and the majority of people will roll over and be nice and compliant for Obama. Those who resist will be financially ruined by the IRS, state franchise tax board, heavy fines levied on gun owners and firearms confiscation (Are you REALLY going to shoot the LEO who comes to get your piece? Maybe, maybe not). Snitching neighbors will be a problem, just look at England. Your kids who've been indoctrinated by their schools will unknowingly snitch you out for being a rebel to their school "counsellers" and they'll be taken away by social services "for the good of the child". THEN you'll be jailed or fined into financial ruin. Unfortunately, the second scenario is the most likely. It also leaves a horrifying taste in my mouth. This seems to be the scenario we're not talking about and probably should. I think we don't talk about this one much because it involves some very serious and painful decision making that can come at a tremendous maybe ruinous maybe even lethal cost for those who are non-compliant. Just remember that freedom isn't free. Last edited by Dragunov; 09-14-2009 at 10:16 PM. | |
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09-14-2009, 11:02 PM
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Our veterans of all previous wars fought for nothing?!?!?!?! Those who just "roll over" are unfit to be called AMERICANS. They can have my guns when I'm through with them, and not a cartridge sooner. 
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09-14-2009, 11:58 PM
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09-15-2009, 12:38 AM
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EMP attack in early spring, before crops are in the ground, followed by societal unrest, disease, and starvation, ala "One Second After" Our enemies can sit back and watch us destroy ourselves from within, and then "come to the rescue" and never leave. OR Coordinated terrorist attacks over several days, using aircraft ala 9/11, semi-truck and train bombs and sabotage of the power grid in locations across the country. Maybe even throw in some shopping mall attacks by groups like MI6 in small out of the way areas where it would be least expected and create the "we're not safe anywhere feeling". The kneejerk reaction will be like it was on 9/11, which is shut down all flights, stop traffic by highway and rail and begin lengthy checkpoint security searches on all trucks and trains etc.. In a matter of a day or two, store shelves will be empty, power plants may run out of fuel, and the entire JIT suply system will grind to a halt. Not to mention the effects on the economy of they were to hit NY and Chicago and knock out the two major stock exchanges for any period of time. Financial collapse could occur? If store shelves were empty for more than a few days and folks start getting hungry, major cities will tear themselves apart and the police, fire and other resources will be stretched very thin. Eventually things would be restored in the short term, but then long term consequences on civil rights and the economy might be very bad. Or things may get so out of hand that it can't be handled by the assets on the ground and the UN may have to come in and help. Or someone could invade when we are down and out. I don't think any of thsi is very realistic in today's world, but who knows? It makes for good fiction in movies and books:-) Last edited by SgtD; 09-15-2009 at 12:41 AM. |
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09-15-2009, 01:00 AM
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I agree with you 100%! I'm just saying that this is a possible scenario and it's not a good one. Personally, anyone who "rolls over" is a waste of skin and should be shot, unfortunately a great deal of people, in reality will be rollovers . The reason I personally think that this is the most likely scenario is that even though alot of us try to vote out the idiots, the even bigger idiots (sheeple) keep voting them back in and they seem to be the most numerous. I guess time will tell. If the Dems still have power after midterms in 2010, The "rollover scenario" would be the most likely and I will have lost my hope for this country as it is. Myself? I'll fight and make life unbearable for the "sheeples" and the "libs" and shoot at any "blue helmets" that I see. Last edited by Dragunov; 09-15-2009 at 01:04 AM. | |
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09-15-2009, 07:13 PM
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Start of scenario #2 H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us) Read it and either get angry or weep. | |
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09-15-2009, 09:43 PM
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Take control of the major coastal cities.Most already have restricted, if not outright abolished, firearms ownership. Starvation or simple systematic killing of family members will control those who don't immediately surrender in order to save their own skins. Use the rivers and waterways to expand your military control. Armored ships can pretty much travel these with impunity as civilians do not have weapons to stop them. You'd be surprised how many cities are accessible by water routes with shallow draft vessels and they already have warehouses and docks offering excellent cover and troop staging areas. Establish air control over the area between the Rockies and the Mississippi and destroy any transport of food or supplies. Which, in turn, supports your control of the population thru hunger. In time, only small pockets of resistance will be left. Simply isolate them and wipe them out at your leisure. No nukes needed. Last edited by DWFan; 09-15-2009 at 09:48 PM. |
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09-15-2009, 09:53 PM
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I've gotta go with Canada. Would'nt you think they would be best until we re-establish our own goverment ?
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09-15-2009, 10:08 PM
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