Gunfight Rules and Factualisms

[bobvonb]

what I haven't seen here, but makes sense to me:

When it's time to shoot, shoot, don't talk.

[Doc Jones]

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

If some dumb arse was to pull a knife on me I'd shoot him/her between the eyes.
I figure if someone were to do something like that they intend to use it.

Yup.

As soon as some perp introduces any kind of lethal force into the discussion, he is choosing the rules of engagement. Far be it from me to change the rules.

Doc

[ShellShock]

Originally Posted by HEMI

The castle law does no such thing.A judge might disagree.
Posting bible verses while talking about killing someone
is wrong in my opinion.

If it makes you feel better, I'm one of the 17% of Americans that fall under the classification of being "non-religious".

I posted the biblical quotes because we live in a country where a lot of people use the Bible to make every day decisions. Gun ownership and protecting oneself have become major topics in American politics. I provided my own personal justifications before presenting the religious view. I guess you could say that I like to be fair and balanced.

It wasn't easy writing this, because a lot of people frown on opposing views, faiths, opinions, and beliefs. However, I felt it was appropriate, given the nature of your response. I certainly didn't want to ruffle the feathers of anyone or offend them based on their own personal convictions. I made the comment with the best of intentions.

I hope this clarifies my intentions and logic for leaving the comment. If not, you're more than welcome to join me for a nice cold beer sometime.

[Doc Jones]

Originally Posted by ShellShock

If it makes you feel better, I'm one of the 17% of Americans that fall under the classification of being "non-religious".

I posted the biblical quotes because we live in a country where a lot of people use the Bible to make every day decisions. Gun ownership and protecting oneself have become major topics in American politics. I provided my own personal justifications before presenting the religious view. I guess you could say that I like to be fair and balanced.

It wasn't easy writing this, because a lot of people frown on opposing views, faiths, opinions, and beliefs. However, I felt it was appropriate, given the nature of your response. I certainly didn't want to ruffle the feathers of anyone or offend them based on their own personal convictions. I made the comment with the best of intentions.

I hope this clarifies my intentions and logic for leaving the comment. If not, you're more than welcome to join me for a nice cold beer sometime.

A careful study of American history will reveal that much of our legal system was inspired by Hebrew law. Exodus is as legitimate a precendent as the Magna Carta or any other foundational document religious or otherwise.

Doc

[Mike U.]

Originally Posted by doc jones

a careful study of american history will reveal that much of our legal system was inspired by hebrew law. Exodus is as legitimate a precendent as the magna carta or any other foundational document religious or otherwise.

doc

+1!

[samuel]

Watch more movies and learn how you should act in an emergency because when it happens,you never know what you will do,no matter how much you plan for it. ,,,sam.

[sea_chicken1]

Just because I dont want to get in a knife fight doesent mean I wont hesitate. Same as if I have to draw on someone I wont hesitate to shoot if I have too. when I was doing alot of mixed martial arts my instructor also taught us arnis if we requested to be educated in open hand or knife techniques.

[Fokker]

A knife can be deadlier than a gun at close ranges.

[samuel]

Originally Posted by Fokker

A knife can be deadlier than a gun at close ranges.

I hope you abide by that theory if you ever attack me.When you hear about multiple stab wounds on victims,usually that is because the victim wouldn't stop moving so the killer kept on stabbing.One bullet placed right and strong enough,usually stops all motion in a very short time span.I will feel real confident if all BG,s carry knives as long as I can use a gun. ,,,sam.

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by Fokker

A knife can be deadlier than a gun at close ranges.

Most LEO's will agree with you.

[G. Green]

Never been in a knife fight, but I've taken the police report on a couple and in my limited experience in a real world knife fight EVERYBODY gets cut. And people with formal training seldom get in knife fights. I guess it's kinda like we say in firearms training "the more you know about gunfighting the less you wanna do it".

[privateer]

Originally Posted by Fokker

A knife can be deadlier than a gun at close ranges.

Dead is Dead .. Close Quarters combat is a skill set, It all comes down to skill, determination and just plain dumb luck. the sorry truth is that most people including LEO's are not trained at all in CQC , If your assailant is skilled with his weapon be it either a knife or firearm and can draw and strike quicker than you , you die... If you read the scene and act quicker, You live. The deadlier myth is just that, a myth.

John

[Rogue Tom]

These are all good but i especially like # 7 amd # 10.

Thanks Privateer. RT

[milproakron]

People ask me if shooting is hard alot of times. I just tell them,...

"Shooting is easy. Its the hitting the target thing that trips everyone up."

[Fokker]

If both are equally skilled, then it often will come down to luck. Both weapons have advantages and disadvantages in a close quarters fight. It's best to know how to use both equally effectively, that way you can defend against the one while using the other.

Originally Posted by samuel

I hope you abide by that theory if you ever attack me.When you hear about multiple stab wounds on victims,usually that is because the victim wouldn't stop moving so the killer kept on stabbing.One bullet placed right and strong enough,usually stops all motion in a very short time span.I will feel real confident if all BG,s carry knives as long as I can use a gun. ,,,sam.

I carry a gun, but a knife can be just as deadly at point blank ranges. A gun has to be pointed at it's target to do any damage, the knife doesn't suffer from that limitation.

What reason would I have to attack you? I don't go around picking fights, but if one comes to me, I'm more than willing to finish it.

[wcassidy]

Originally Posted by Fokker

A knife can be deadlier than a gun at close ranges.

It's always been my understanding that you can't push the slide of a knife out of battery while it comes into contact with an assailant. Same for revolvers.

[SightNSqueeze]

Originally Posted by privateer

Dead is Dead .. Close Quarters combat is a skill set, It all comes down to skill, determination and just plain dumb luck. the sorry truth is that most people including LEO's are not trained at all in CQC , If your assailant is skilled with his weapon be it either a knife or firearm and can draw and strike quicker than you , you die... If you read the scene and act quicker, You live. The deadlier myth is just that, a myth.

John

Originally Posted by milproakron

People ask me if shooting is hard alot of times. I just tell them,...

"Shooting is easy. Its the hitting the target thing that trips everyone up."

Right on both counts. I taught law enforcement students both basic and tactical firearms; separate classes for basic and advanced students. In the basic classes, which could number up to 70 shooters, about 10% shot exceptionally well, 10-15% failed and had to retest the following week after hours of grueling refresher training, and the other 75-80% passed in the "intermediate performance" range with some just barely making their minimum score. We told them to continue practicing on their own, even with just one or two boxes of rounds per year, but most did not.

Tactical officers fared better, but not much. Many got comfortable excelling in their favorite tactical scenarios or tactical skills, and except for a few officers, CQB was not one of them.

[SightNSqueeze]

Originally Posted by wcassidy

It's always been my understanding that you can't push the slide of a knife out of battery while it comes into contact with an assailant. Same for revolvers.

That's the "advanced course." Most of us aren't there yet ...

[TACAV]

Quote:
Originally Posted by wcassidy View Post
It's always been my understanding that you can't push the slide of a knife out of battery while it comes into contact with an assailant. Same for revolvers.

Originally Posted by SightNSqueeze

That's the "advanced course." Most of us aren't there yet ...

No but if your at contact shooting distance and you grip and squeeze the cylinder of a revolver tight enough to the frame so that it cant rotate you can also prevent that from firing as well.

[tappedandtagged]

Originally Posted by privateer

9. Always cheat Always win.

+1 A fight for your life has no rules. If you find yourself wanting to be "fair" you'll find yourself dead. The only goal in a fight like this is to survive. Whatever you must do, however you must do it, you're going home, period. Keep that mindset. In training, I was shown a video of a trooper (unknown state) that curled up behind his patrol unit while the bad guy advanced on him and ultimately shot and killed him. In the audio (note: behind the unit) I could hear the trooper begging and praying as he apparently curled up in a fetal position with his gun still on his hip. If you don't have the balls to use your gun, don't carry one. If you carry one and are still hesitant to use it, don't display it. The bad guy will view you as more of a threat if he knows you are armed, and will thus more likely attempt to neutralize the threat. Not armed = little threat, and a chance to get out alive. Armed = threat, but with the means to defend/diffuse the situation. Armed and not willing to use it = dead.