Shtf weapon choice

sea_chicken1 · 11-02-2009, 01:49 PM

AK if it was only those two.

bigb831 · 11-02-2009, 03:16 PM

i like the mini 14. the only down side 223 is only good for putting holes in paper targets.

gunadvocate · 11-02-2009, 06:12 PM

^ Yea cause its paper targets we've been shooting at in conflicts throughout the last 40 years

pico · 11-02-2009, 06:36 PM

I wuld opt for the AK between those two, but mould much rather a battle rifle like an HK 91 or M14.

LarryO1970 · 11-02-2009, 06:46 PM

... I would chose the AK variant. Frankly, I'd be very interested in which one was more accurate, however replacement parts for the AK are bound to be more available than the Ruger.

... aside from this choice, I'd take my M14 and CAR-15.

gunadvocate · 11-02-2009, 07:53 PM

if we're going away from the limited two choices- I'm bringing the AR15 and a glock 9mm

Nam62 · 11-03-2009, 12:00 AM

I'll take my Ruger SR-556 & Springfield Armory 45ACP.

big shrek · 11-03-2009, 12:34 AM

The AK-47 by far.

.223 is good for Coyote, that's about it.

Mini-14's accuracy is about the same as an AK's...lousy. So with the precision being about equal, I'd opt for the Bigger Bullet.

.30 caliber should be the least anyone uses to go after humans...or deer, IMHO.

sea_chicken1 · 11-04-2009, 02:06 PM

If we are getting away from the two choices I would take my M&P15 and my XD40.

Kaybe · 11-04-2009, 07:41 PM

The AK is better. The heavier bullet destroys more. Destroying more is good. If it needs destroyed, don't go half way.

Kentucky Fan · 11-04-2009, 07:59 PM

Well the .223 round kills people just fine all the time. But either way I would just take my 12 Gauge lol.

sniper1958 · 11-04-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wideym

Both are excellent choises with many of the same attributes (decent accuracy, super reliable, common ammo), but I would go with the AK.

The AK has a more menacing appearance (great for keeping sheeple at a distance), cheaper start up cost with lower priced mags and ammo, easier to repair in the field/parts swap out with out much of a problem, and wider assortment/cheaper upgrades.

+1! The mini is good, but the AK is better "bang for the buck." [pun intended]

Cyrano · 11-04-2009, 09:34 PM

If it's a choice between those two, the AK wins hands down. It's designed for an environment where abuse is the norm, but where the gun must still function. The Mini-14 simply isn't built for that, no matter how you trick it out.

But if I had my druthers, I'd still rather have an SKS than either of the above. Fewer moving parts and easier to maintain.

MHbushmaster · 11-06-2009, 01:07 PM

Depends on the specific SHTF type event:

IF I'm staying put, I'll rely on my FAL for vehicle/light armor penetration. I'll keep the M4 handy cause its light and portable with the Blackhawk sling.
My wife can keep a Saiga 12 or x39 handy/nearby as she goes about her post-shtf daily routine at home. The saiga-12 is loaded with alternating Federal Truball Slugs and Federal 00 buck with flitecontrol wads.
Nothing says, "Wrong F-ing home looters!" like a 6' tall blonde marathon runner mommy weilding a Saiga 12 with a 10rd mag dumping buck and slugs at bad guys!

I can keep an OWB handgun on due to not worrying about broadcasting my "armed" status. I'd opt for my SW 1006 or SW 4506 for large semi-auto handgun duties. My wife is fond of her J-frame as well as a 6" S.S. Ruger .357magnum.

For foraging around the home, I could take my PSL for magnification as well as potent portability. I've got 10 mags for it, I keep some loaded with SP, some with Steel core, and some with just light ball. It is AK reliable and accurate enough to put a bad guy down from 500+ yards away.

My wife likes the GSG-5, she can plink squirels and other varmints to keep meat in the pot, she also like the .22lr conversion kit in our many AR15's.

I guess the point I'd like to make is that life, either now or during shtf is a dynamic situation and no one "tool" is going to be the everything solution. Most rifles will work in whatever situation you use them for; I choose to have many tools to best use the correct one depending each individual situation.

There are some constants however: My Glock 19 with night sights. I always have it unless I'm in the shower, and then its not far away. My surefire 6p light, it tags along with me everywhere. My Gerber paraframe is always on/in my pocket.

11-02-2009, 06:12 PM	#23
gunadvocate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Posts: 274	^ Yea cause its paper targets we've been shooting at in conflicts throughout the last 40 years __________________ "Love my country, fear my government..."

11-02-2009, 06:46 PM	#25
LarryO1970 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Johnson Creek, WI Posts: 5,608 Blog Entries: 1	... I would chose the AK variant. Frankly, I'd be very interested in which one was more accurate, however replacement parts for the AK are bound to be more available than the Ruger. ... aside from this choice, I'd take my M14 and CAR-15. __________________ Give the GOV a harumph !

11-02-2009, 07:53 PM	#26
gunadvocate Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Knoxville Posts: 274	if we're going away from the limited two choices- I'm bringing the AR15 and a glock 9mm __________________ "Love my country, fear my government..."

11-03-2009, 12:34 AM	#28
big shrek Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northwest, FL Posts: 3,128 Images: 56	The AK-47 by far. .223 is good for Coyote, that's about it. Mini-14's accuracy is about the same as an AK's...lousy. So with the precision being about equal, I'd opt for the Bigger Bullet. .30 caliber should be the least anyone uses to go after humans...or deer, IMHO. __________________ In every Unit...there is a Scrounger...

11-04-2009, 07:41 PM	#30
Kaybe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northcentral Ohio Posts: 641	The AK is better. The heavier bullet destroys more. Destroying more is good. If it needs destroyed, don't go half way. __________________ Some people are alive simply because it is illegal to kill them.

11-02-2009, 01:49 PM	#21
sea_chicken1 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Everett WA. and Norfolk VA. Posts: 1,017	AK if it was only those two.

11-02-2009, 03:16 PM	#22
bigb831 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: wisconsin Posts: 78	i like the mini 14. the only down side 223 is only good for putting holes in paper targets.

11-02-2009, 06:36 PM	#24
pico Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 205	I wuld opt for the AK between those two, but mould much rather a battle rifle like an HK 91 or M14.

11-03-2009, 12:00 AM	#27
Nam62 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 31	I'll take my Ruger SR-556 & Springfield Armory 45ACP.

11-04-2009, 02:06 PM	#29
sea_chicken1 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Everett WA. and Norfolk VA. Posts: 1,017	If we are getting away from the two choices I would take my M&P15 and my XD40.

11-04-2009, 07:59 PM	#31
Kentucky Fan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Paintsville Kentucky Posts: 168	Well the .223 round kills people just fine all the time. But either way I would just take my 12 Gauge lol.

11-04-2009, 09:34 PM	#33
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 6,932	If it's a choice between those two, the AK wins hands down. It's designed for an environment where abuse is the norm, but where the gun must still function. The Mini-14 simply isn't built for that, no matter how you trick it out. But if I had my druthers, I'd still rather have an SKS than either of the above. Fewer moving parts and easier to maintain.

11-06-2009, 01:07 PM	#34
MHbushmaster Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 10	Depends on the specific SHTF type event: IF I'm staying put, I'll rely on my FAL for vehicle/light armor penetration. I'll keep the M4 handy cause its light and portable with the Blackhawk sling. My wife can keep a Saiga 12 or x39 handy/nearby as she goes about her post-shtf daily routine at home. The saiga-12 is loaded with alternating Federal Truball Slugs and Federal 00 buck with flitecontrol wads. Nothing says, "Wrong F-ing home looters!" like a 6' tall blonde marathon runner mommy weilding a Saiga 12 with a 10rd mag dumping buck and slugs at bad guys! I can keep an OWB handgun on due to not worrying about broadcasting my "armed" status. I'd opt for my SW 1006 or SW 4506 for large semi-auto handgun duties. My wife is fond of her J-frame as well as a 6" S.S. Ruger .357magnum. For foraging around the home, I could take my PSL for magnification as well as potent portability. I've got 10 mags for it, I keep some loaded with SP, some with Steel core, and some with just light ball. It is AK reliable and accurate enough to put a bad guy down from 500+ yards away. My wife likes the GSG-5, she can plink squirels and other varmints to keep meat in the pot, she also like the .22lr conversion kit in our many AR15's. I guess the point I'd like to make is that life, either now or during shtf is a dynamic situation and no one "tool" is going to be the everything solution. Most rifles will work in whatever situation you use them for; I choose to have many tools to best use the correct one depending each individual situation. There are some constants however: My Glock 19 with night sights. I always have it unless I'm in the shower, and then its not far away. My surefire 6p light, it tags along with me everywhere. My Gerber paraframe is always on/in my pocket.