Survival weapons

[bigandrich44]

I also think a compound bow and several arrows might be good for "clandestine" missions at night. Silent, and you can re use the arrows.

[ballistic_trep]

I think I'll jump into this discussion. My family and I live in a small, rural community with good, long-time friends as neighbors. In the event of a catastrophic SHTF event, we will stay put with our families and defend a sizeable area. The land is large enough to manuever, outflank, and with enough variety in it's geography for undetected observation and give an opposing small arms force a tactical headache. My legal and politically incorrect weapons include a Norinco SKS (soon to be replaced by an M14), a Norinco 1911 .45ACP, and a Mossberg 590 w/Millet red dot and bayonet. My wife loves the Mossberg. When I'm on the road, a Tikka T3 Lite in .223 w/Loopy VXIII 2.5-8 with 4 six rd. mags and a couple extra boxes of ammo rides behind the seat of my pickup...I can work that bolt amazingly fast. A varmint licence keeps it legal year round.

[HEMI]

Sounds like a good battery trep, better to defend what is familiar.

[ganzer]

I'd take my M1 carbine. Keep in mind what they said about the Garand..weighs 9.5 lbs until you have carried it ten miles, then the decimal falls out.

There is nobody who could not be converted to my way of thinking by a .30 cal hollowpoint.

The weight of shotgun shells would be beyond reason.

If I thought I could afford the weight I'd take my Ruger MKI .22, like the carbine its a general purpose weapon-who knows what you might need if for-and the ammo is light enough to carry.

[A-10]

Ideally, you would be operating in a small team. Establish a long rifleman armed with a scoped bolt of semi-auto .308/30-06 sized rifle. The others should be armed with close to medium range semi-rifles and carbines. A shot gun or two wouldn't hurt either. All of them should have a a sidearm .22-9mm-.45. Definately, all would have a sturdy knife. (In a perfect world, right?)

[bigandrich44]

Heck, gimme enough ammo and morphine, and I could fight through most anything. The best thing is hit and run, or have a sniper team operating your area. When the platoon officer all of a sudden gets blown to peices, then they might think twice.

[Dallas]

Ballistic brings up a good point. Chances are if you head for the hills, it will only be a matter of time before you run into somebody or bodies ready willing and able to defend their home and property. Would you be willing to give up your weapons (Mister you wanta stay here for a day, I'll keep your weapons for you while your here, now strip so I can check you and your gear for weapons) for a safe place to rest for a day or two (if your lucky, they'll be honest, if not bye bye), what would you be willing to trade to get a home cooked meal or some first aid, do you have anything to trade?

Are you going to shoot first and ask questions later? How long before you get out drawn or shoot a guy and his son gets you from the flank? Who here believes the motto, who needs gear I've got a gun and ammo I'll take what I need. I believe all you'll do is get yourself and probably some innocent people killed. When you move into unfamiliar territory and start dealing with people who are just as scared and just as determined as you shooting first, stealing, cheating. lying is a bad policy. I'm not saying you have to act like a Boy Scout or rollover for everybody that comes a long but all this shoot first stuff I've read from some members on other threads is just a bunch of Dirty Harry mumbo jumbo.

[Dan22]

The quickest way to get killed is when you think you can overpower anyone in your path.

All things being equal, the home team usually has the advantage.

[tommy]

Originally Posted by Dallas

Ballistic brings up a good point. Chances are if you head for the hills, it will only be a matter of time before you run into somebody or bodies ready willing and able to defend their home and property. Would you be willing to give up your weapons (Mister you wanta stay here for a day, I'll keep your weapons for you while your here, now strip so I can check you and your gear for weapons) for a safe place to rest for a day or two (if your lucky, they'll be honest, if not bye bye), what would you be willing to trade to get a home cooked meal or some first aid, do you have anything to trade?
Are you going to shoot first and ask questions later? How long before you get out drawn or shoot a guy and his son gets you from the flank? Who here believes the motto, who needs gear I've got a gun and ammo I'll take what I need. I believe all you'll do is get yourself and probably some innocent people killed. When you move into unfamiliar territory and start dealing with people who are just as scared and just as determined as you shooting first, stealing, cheating. lying is a bad policy. I'm not saying you have to act like a Boy Scout or rollover for everybody that comes a long but all this shoot first stuff I've read from some members on other threads is just a bunch of Dirty Harry mumbo jumbo.

well i believe in what comes around goes around so if someone was to come into my camp i would ask them to unload thier guns and drop the clips out of them . and i would kindly let them know that i have scouts watching them at all times so if they was to try anything they would be shot anyways . then if they needed help i would offer them what i could spare.then i would aske them how it was that they made it in there without getting blownup in the minefields (play a little mind game with them) then after we helped them out i would escort them out of the camp and see them on there way and let them know that if they needed anything else just to stay so for out and to fire a shot in the air or yell and someone will come out to escort them in safely. . to make it look real convincing dig some holes and burn the sides of the holes with oil and take some animal parts and throw them around in the fields around the holes and show the guy on the way out an say look the deer get blasted when they come to eat the grass at night when they step on a land mine. but it's no big deal cause we come out and collect the body parts to eat it saves us on havin to go hunt them down.lmao.i bet they don't come back in that direction.

[ezearln]

Well since "Bugging Out" on foot would be impractical for the wife and I (She's had serious knee damage several years ago 2 major repair surgeries and it still ain't right) we have some semi rural property with several friendly neighbors a 1/2 ton pickup and slide in camper, CJ3B jeep and a small boat. So I'll not consider weight as a major factor along with the supplies that are permenantly stocked in the camper I'd add
2-.30/06 Springfields
1- 12 ga shotgun
1- 20 ga shotgun
2-.22 cal rifles
1-.45 ACP M1911A1
1-.38 Spec Colt Special
500rds 150gr .30/06 ball, 100rds 220 .30/06 SP, 50rds 12ga #6shot, 50rds 12 ooBuck, 100rds 20ga #4 shot, 1000rds .22HV, 150rds .45 Ball, 150rds 158 .38Spec SP. Combat knife, slingshot. and prolly my Flash Gordon magic decoder ring (just to be on the safe side!)

[bigandrich44]

Sounds good ezearlin. Mind if I hop on your bandwagon lol?

[ezearln]

Well to be honest Bigandrich, for us it's just a matter of praticality, with the range on the pickup with camper fully loaded and towing the CJ3 able to get us well into known areas of safety (property owned and occupied by friends or family) the availability of fish and wild/exotic game being plentiful. It makes no real sense to travel far for us, and certainly due to my wifes handicap not by foot. We are blessed with a couple of major (for south Texas) river systems that provide a bounty of fresh fish for those that know how to take them. and the wild game populations would make a market hunter simply giddy. We have enough staples (et al) water and fuel in the camper to subsist quite comfortably for 4-6 weeks. Triple that if we are supplementing off the land. Then double that if we are willing to "Rough it" without the creature comforts the camper provides and simply use it as shelter.
To be sure I NEVER want to put that action plan into motion. However I feel we have provided sufficiently for our survival and comfort in a thoughtful and prudent manner as our limited resources allow..

Heres to hoping the SHTF day never ever comes.

[ballistic_trep]

"Here's to hoping the SHTF day never, ever comes".


I'll second that.

[bigandrich44]

I'm up here around Lubbock and Plainview in texas, so there isn't many streams. Ill just stick around the stomping grounds till everything goes back to normal.

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by ballistic_trep

"Here's to hoping the SHTF day never, ever comes".


I'll second that.

Ditto, and a +1 to ZHTF.

[sscheide]

i have heard that the best survival weapon is the Henry Survival Rifle
it is .22 cal., it all fits in the stock
the barrel the action and 2 magazines

[billy]

chlorine gas grenades and a mask

[ezearln]

#10 can of BBQ pork & Beans and a Bic lighter!

[Dan22]

I believe a .22 is a great survival weapon and that pack-up model would certainly be worth looking into.

It was made by another company a long time ago and I think it was used as a USAF survival weapon.

There is a stainless version to eliminate rusting problems in humid country and they float.

[just_a_car]

Originally Posted by Dan22

I believe a .22 is a great survival weapon and that pack-up model would certainly be worth looking into.

It was made by another company a long time ago and I think it was used as a USAF survival weapon.

There is a stainless version to eliminate rusting problems in humid country and they float.

It was made by Charter Arms as the AR-7. Henry picked up the design after Charter went under. Henry now has a silver, black, and realtree camo model. The Henry's design is only slightly changed from the original AR-7 in that it has a piccatiny scope rail on the top of the receiver to accept a scope with rings. The scope will not fit with the rest of the rifle in the stock, but the rest of the rifle still fits and floats.

It was indeed used by the USAF and bush pilots as an 'under-the-seat' survival rifle. But, seeing as how they'd likely encounter large game predators, I'd prefer to have something better than a .22LR... maybe 7.62x54R or .30-06.