What is a good battle rifle? - Page 2

BattleRifleG3 · 11-29-2007, 04:06 PM

If you want something that fires a full power round, there's the Saiga 308 in your price range, and possibly a 30-06 for a little more.

andrew cochran · 11-29-2007, 05:01 PM

NO, I'm not new to guns! However, I am new to full autos. I've dealt with semiautos, and i know how the fully auto principal works but don't know much about fully autos.

NO,I'm not new to guns. I just don't know that much about full autos.

just_a_car · 11-29-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by andrew cochran

NO, I'm not new to guns! However, I am new to full autos. I've dealt with semiautos, and i know how the fully auto principal works but don't know much about fully autos.

NO,I'm not new to guns. I just don't know that much about full autos.

Hm, with the above comment, I feel this should probably be in the "General Firearms > Class III" forum....

toolman · 11-29-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

toolman that hurt !!! The Yugo is about the only one available to buy.
I suppose you meant the gernade launcher being on them adds more weight did'nt you LOL Tell me you did

LOL...A.H

A.H. you got it. In this day and age, there's not much reason to have a grenade launcher, sight, and gas port shut-off except for looks.

billy · 11-29-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by toolman

A.H. you got it. In this day and age, there's not much reason to have a grenade launcher, sight, and gas port shut-off except for looks.

i like all that crap hanging off my gun.
i dont carry it anywhere anyway

there will never be a battle in the U.S. anyway unless you start one.
(i wouldnt recommend it)

Dookiebutt · 11-29-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by just_a_car

Hm, with the above comment, I feel this should probably be in the "General Firearms > Class III" forum....

Or maybe not here at all . . . . . . .

CrazyIvan · 12-03-2007, 12:22 PM

Do you know what weapon I have come to really want? And it would serve well for a good all-around battle/survival weapon. It is small, uses popular ammo (.223) and has many upgrades/options available.

It is the PLR-16 made by Kel-Tec. I have been reading reviews and they seem to have proven to be a very good, reliable, cost-effective weapon.

Here is a pic of one. All I would add is a vertical foregrip.

rckymtnboy · 12-03-2007, 01:18 PM

My vote is for the SKS, and I've had good luck with 30 round mags. Usually only have to do minor modifications to the mags to make them work smoothly. This one is a Chinese and I have had no problems at all. Very accurate too.

mike63 · 12-03-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rckymtnboy

My vote is for the SKS, and I've had good luck with 30 round mags. Usually only have to do minor modifications to the mags to make them work smoothly. This one is a Chinese and I have had no problems at all. Very accurate too.

I'm glad someone has gotten them to work right. I had two that I worked on for about a month. I finally beat them flat with a hammer so I could get on with my life. I know a few people have had good luck with them. Sorry to say, I'm not one of them.

Corrus · 12-03-2007, 03:08 PM

Another Option you might want to consider is to build an AK from a kit and a reciever.

I wouldn't recommend making a reciever, but instead buying one through your FFL online. I made mine (Romanian) for about $190. The kits cost about 140-170 depending on what model, and the recievers are about 100 if you buy them already made, otherwise I bought a "flat" that is, unformed reciever for about $40. The only thing is that you have to make sure of is that you know whether your kit has a milled or stamped reciever.

Nothing pretty, but tough as nails. With the money I saved I bought an HK-style Diopter mod for it and that boosted my accuracy so well that it has groups almost as good as my AR. I'm very happy with the results.

FutureMarine9 · 12-03-2007, 03:27 PM

i was looking at ak kits too...how much experience would someone need with guns to make a good one?

Corrus · 12-03-2007, 03:34 PM

Well, I didn't have any exp with the AK when I built mine, but there are a lot of really good guides online, and as long as you are familiar with the design of the gun, and know how to use hand tools, you should be fine. Making the reciever from a flat was the most time consuming. You need some special tools and jigs for this.

damage855 · 12-03-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyIvan

All I would add is a vertical foregrip.

if you do that then it becomes a class 2 AOW and requires registration with the ATF and a $250 tax.

knightRider · 12-03-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dookiebutt

Or maybe not here at all . . . . . . .

i hear ya.... strange

CrazyIvan · 12-03-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by damage855

if you do that then it becomes a class 2 AOW and requires registration with the ATF and a $250 tax.

I don't want to be a fork in the ribs, but do you have a link to where this type of thing is detailed by the ATF? I am more interested than I am in disbelief.

Thanks.

damage855 · 12-04-2007, 10:32 AM

I understand your confusion I felt the same way when I wanted to put a foregrip on my mac-11 and learned it was illeagel.

If a gun has rifled barrel(s) of less than 16", and it has never had a shoulder stock it would be a pistol, unless it either has no grip at an angle to the bore, or if it has more than one grip. ATF has made the questionable decision that a handgun with more than one grip is an AOW. This is based on the gun a) being concealable on the person, and b) not meeting the definition of a "pistol" in the regulations promulgated under the NFA, since they say a pistol has a single grip at an angle to the bore. However, at least one federal court has decided that if the grip is added later, the gun is not "originally designed" to be fired by holding in more than one grip, and thus putting a second grip on a pistol does not make it an AOW. Whether ATF will regard the decision as binding beyond that case is unknown, I would doubt it.

here is the full link this info is about 3/4 down the page.
Legal NFA ownership - what is it, how to get it.

CrazyIvan · 12-04-2007, 10:48 AM

So, it is almost like...if you had enough money to fight it, it would be deemed legal. If not, you would be in for a legal 'whoopin'

damage855 · 12-04-2007, 11:04 AM

yeah pretty much it would also depend on your judge and his/her views on the subject.

andrew cochran · 12-04-2007, 11:31 AM

Well i'll look into and sks and ak . But a kit! That might just work. Probubly a lot cheaper

just_a_car · 12-04-2007, 06:01 PM

AOW's are $5, not $250.

Even SBS's, SBR's, Sound Suppressors, and Machine Guns are only a $200 tax stamp.

(Ref: A.O.W.s and Other Class 3 at Impact Guns Home and Serbu Super Shorty 9 12GA)

Man, can you imagine Concealed Carrying that Serbu?!

11-29-2007, 04:06 PM	#21
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	If you want something that fires a full power round, there's the Saiga 308 in your price range, and possibly a 30-06 for a little more. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-29-2007, 05:01 PM	#22
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 1,904 Trader Rating: (1)	NO, I'm not new to guns! However, I am new to full autos. I've dealt with semiautos, and i know how the fully auto principal works but don't know much about fully autos. NO,I'm not new to guns. I just don't know that much about full autos. Last edited by andrew cochran; 11-29-2007 at 05:21 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-03-2007, 12:22 PM	#27
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,299 Trader Rating: (0)	Do you know what weapon I have come to really want? And it would serve well for a good all-around battle/survival weapon. It is small, uses popular ammo (.223) and has many upgrades/options available. It is the PLR-16 made by Kel-Tec. I have been reading reviews and they seem to have proven to be a very good, reliable, cost-effective weapon. Here is a pic of one. All I would add is a vertical foregrip. __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

12-03-2007, 01:18 PM	#28
rckymtnboy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: I am a dual resident. Posts: 340 Trader Rating: (0)	My vote is for the SKS, and I've had good luck with 30 round mags. Usually only have to do minor modifications to the mags to make them work smoothly. This one is a Chinese and I have had no problems at all. Very accurate too. __________________ When they come for my guns, I'll give 'em the bullets first!

12-03-2007, 03:08 PM	#30
Corrus Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 22 Trader Rating: (0)	Another Option you might want to consider is to build an AK from a kit and a reciever. I wouldn't recommend making a reciever, but instead buying one through your FFL online. I made mine (Romanian) for about $190. The kits cost about 140-170 depending on what model, and the recievers are about 100 if you buy them already made, otherwise I bought a "flat" that is, unformed reciever for about $40. The only thing is that you have to make sure of is that you know whether your kit has a milled or stamped reciever. Nothing pretty, but tough as nails. With the money I saved I bought an HK-style Diopter mod for it and that boosted my accuracy so well that it has groups almost as good as my AR. I'm very happy with the results. __________________ The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next. Last edited by Corrus; 12-03-2007 at 03:13 PM.

12-03-2007, 03:27 PM	#31
FutureMarine9 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: connecticut Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (0)	i was looking at ak kits too...how much experience would someone need with guns to make a good one? __________________ Semper Fi Anti gun is anti fun

12-03-2007, 03:34 PM	#32
Corrus Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 22 Trader Rating: (0)	Well, I didn't have any exp with the AK when I built mine, but there are a lot of really good guides online, and as long as you are familiar with the design of the gun, and know how to use hand tools, you should be fine. Making the reciever from a flat was the most time consuming. You need some special tools and jigs for this. __________________ The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next.

12-04-2007, 10:32 AM	#36
damage855 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina / Lake Norman Posts: 886 Trader Rating: (0)	I understand your confusion I felt the same way when I wanted to put a foregrip on my mac-11 and learned it was illeagel. If a gun has rifled barrel(s) of less than 16", and it has never had a shoulder stock it would be a pistol, unless it either has no grip at an angle to the bore, or if it has more than one grip. ATF has made the questionable decision that a handgun with more than one grip is an AOW. This is based on the gun a) being concealable on the person, and b) not meeting the definition of a "pistol" in the regulations promulgated under the NFA, since they say a pistol has a single grip at an angle to the bore. However, at least one federal court has decided that if the grip is added later, the gun is not "originally designed" to be fired by holding in more than one grip, and thus putting a second grip on a pistol does not make it an AOW. Whether ATF will regard the decision as binding beyond that case is unknown, I would doubt it. here is the full link this info is about 3/4 down the page. Legal NFA ownership - what is it, how to get it. __________________ If total goverment control will make us all safer, then why are prisons so dangerous?

12-04-2007, 10:48 AM	#37
CrazyIvan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 2,299 Trader Rating: (0)	So, it is almost like...if you had enough money to fight it, it would be deemed legal. If not, you would be in for a legal 'whoopin' __________________ "Minimum wage, minimum effort." "Never underestimate the power of stupidity." ~Me

12-04-2007, 11:04 AM	#38
damage855 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina / Lake Norman Posts: 886 Trader Rating: (0)	yeah pretty much it would also depend on your judge and his/her views on the subject. __________________ If total goverment control will make us all safer, then why are prisons so dangerous?

12-04-2007, 11:31 AM	#39
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 1,904 Trader Rating: (1)	Well i'll look into and sks and ak . But a kit! That might just work. Probubly a lot cheaper

12-04-2007, 06:01 PM	#40
just_a_car Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 3,414 Trader Rating: (0)	AOW's are $5, not $250. Even SBS's, SBR's, Sound Suppressors, and Machine Guns are only a $200 tax stamp. (Ref: A.O.W.s and Other Class 3 at Impact Guns Home and Serbu Super Shorty 9 12GA) Man, can you imagine Concealed Carrying that Serbu?! __________________