Old, Greying, and Paranoid!

RedneckCatholic · 07-22-2008, 03:49 PM

I have been giving a lot of thought to sheltering in place. But i have not neglected to consider what happens if we have to leave.

I have a fund of experience to draw upon, including Airborne and Low intensity conflict experience. My idea is tolimit the wieght of my Ruck and carry just the minimum that I need.

but, I live in a houshold with three women and two kids under four--my granbabies. Not to mention advancing middle age and arthritis. so my such is largely limited to a bedroll, three days food for me, and stuf for the babies.

I am trying to put together a vest--using a commercial safari/photo vest-to carry my essentials. here's what I'm thinking:

water filter
iron rations for 36 hours
side arm (I have what I want to use!) w/ 3 magazines
poncho
F/A kit (minor)
insect repelant
maps
compass
whistle
small marine band radio (I know it's illegal except on a boat--this is emergency use!)
Long Arm Ammo--12 ga 3" buck shot and slug, 50 rounds
fleece sweter or vest in cold.
spare socks

The idea is this--if I need to drop my ruck, or pass it on to the Fam for it's contents, and do the Horatio at the bridge routine, in the hopes of linking up at a predetermined rally point, crossing mixed forested and agricutural terrain--to have what I need.

Any Advice?

Mike Franklin · 07-22-2008, 10:47 PM

You might ought to put a couple of small bottles of water in your pocket. I have 3 in my BOB, there're like 8 oz each. Maybe a couple of butane lighters too. Oh, and a hat, with a brim, of some kind. (I'm thinking as I answer) a stainless steel cup. A small pocket sized 1st Aid Kit. A motel size bar of soap.

SwedeSteve · 07-23-2008, 08:56 AM

Good suggestions MF !!

GlennM · 07-23-2008, 11:28 AM

waterproof matches (you'll need fire)
Perhaps a hiker's stove and a few squares of trioxane or other fuel
A magnesium fire starter as a last resort if things get wet (scrape off a few shavings and use the flint on the side for sparks)
Flashlight or small lantern

Just .02 worth

mwatson · 07-23-2008, 12:04 PM

I am going to stay home as well. I have a disabled wife with diabetes and also a disabled daughter. I will protect from the home front. We will lay low and try not to attract attention. I have entirely too much ammo and stuff to try and walk out.
Mike

mos19k · 07-23-2008, 12:18 PM

As with most folks on here, I'm planning to stay put if at all possible. As you stated in the OP sometimes you have no choice and have to hoof it. What you should carry depends on your surroundings. If in a desert area then water becomes very crucial, if in the South, water is abundant and you only need a way of purifying it. Same goes for food, are you in an area where game or edible plants are prevalent, then don't carry as much food. The one thing you must have and you carry it with you at all times is knowledge. Knowledge will help you find water, food and shelter, this covers the basics.

You already know to carry backups for anything that's crucial. Two forms of fire starting, two forms of water purifying and so on and so forth. If you want to carry more than two forms, great can't have to many backups. Always keep in mind that you have to carry this stuff and weight does add up especially in a high stress situation.

RedneckCatholic · 07-23-2008, 04:06 PM

OK--Here's a revised list for the vest, assuming that it is worn over approriate clothing for my area.

waterfilter
iron rations for 36 hours
sidearm w/ 3 magazines
pncho
F/A kit
insect reppellant
maps
compass
whistle
marine band hand held
50 round long arm ammo (12 ga. or 7.62 x54 HB)
fleece sweater
socks
water bottle
"bic" lighters (2x)
mini mag light

I always wear a brimmed hat--summer type and winter type. Also a large sized silk (homest!) grey bandanna when i the woods. I used to wear a snipers veil for the same job in the Army, and might get one again just for the SHTF vest.

This presupposes that I'm heading to a rally point that the Fam know about.

Mike Franklin · 07-23-2008, 04:43 PM

Well, all you need to do is try walking there once to see if you have enough stuff. The only way to know if you'll pass the test is to take the test.

SwedeSteve · 07-29-2008, 01:32 PM

^ I cannot agree more hardily wiith this !! You really got to put yourself to the test. 2 bic lighters is a smart idea, but if they get wet you're screwed. Put them in a waterproof container (my backup bic is in a condom, REALLY!! Totally waterproof and is a great firestarter !) . Speaking of which, you need some kind of firestarting material/kindling. Fat lighter, pitch, trioxane, candle, etc.

larmus · 07-31-2008, 01:40 AM

have you thought of a "camel back hydration system" or the equivelant. wal-mart has a backpack version. i bought two. they could carry everything you have listed and if not stuff the rest in your pants. i have a tactical vest as a bob and a bag. so if i have to drop the bag and leave i still have my vest. i also have a small survival kit with knife attached to my carry weapon, just in case i need to run with out my bag or vest. the gun stays with me at all times.

RedneckCatholic · 07-31-2008, 12:31 PM

Yeah--I thought about a camel back system. The pack I favor can handlw one. But i was thinking that if I had to drop my pack with the fam, so they could have cross loaded items, and do anything of a nature to help them diddi mao.

I can't see me handling two packs, or having enough time to change out, in a worst case scenario.

Mike Franklin · 07-31-2008, 03:18 PM

It's real important that each one of us get into a group of friends. If you're trying to take care of very young kids or anyone disabled you are going to need help.
Luckily kids grow up to be assets and even a disabled person can have some skills to use.
There are also good people who are willing to help with those who have problems. It could be real tough on those who find themselves alone in a world in turmoil.

stevensj2 · 07-31-2008, 03:30 PM

Thats a nice list.

I might add a magnifying glass and some tinfoil. Could be used as a signal, start fires, etc.

(Ever see how shiny some chocolate can make a soda can? Wildwood Survival - Fire from a Can of Coke and a Chocolate Bar)

Also a sewing needle + thread. Multiple uses (wounds, clothing, catching fish, etc).

07-22-2008, 03:49 PM	#1
RedneckCatholic Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Albania, the Ohio Valley Posts: 177	Old, Greying, and Paranoid! I have been giving a lot of thought to sheltering in place. But i have not neglected to consider what happens if we have to leave. I have a fund of experience to draw upon, including Airborne and Low intensity conflict experience. My idea is tolimit the wieght of my Ruck and carry just the minimum that I need. but, I live in a houshold with three women and two kids under four--my granbabies. Not to mention advancing middle age and arthritis. so my such is largely limited to a bedroll, three days food for me, and stuf for the babies. I am trying to put together a vest--using a commercial safari/photo vest-to carry my essentials. here's what I'm thinking: water filter iron rations for 36 hours side arm (I have what I want to use!) w/ 3 magazines poncho F/A kit (minor) insect repelant maps compass whistle small marine band radio (I know it's illegal except on a boat--this is emergency use!) Long Arm Ammo--12 ga 3" buck shot and slug, 50 rounds fleece sweter or vest in cold. spare socks The idea is this--if I need to drop my ruck, or pass it on to the Fam for it's contents, and do the Horatio at the bridge routine, in the hopes of linking up at a predetermined rally point, crossing mixed forested and agricutural terrain--to have what I need. Any Advice? Last edited by RedneckCatholic; 07-22-2008 at 03:51 PM.

07-22-2008, 10:47 PM	#2
Mike Franklin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 1,276	You might ought to put a couple of small bottles of water in your pocket. I have 3 in my BOB, there're like 8 oz each. Maybe a couple of butane lighters too. Oh, and a hat, with a brim, of some kind. (I'm thinking as I answer) a stainless steel cup. A small pocket sized 1st Aid Kit. A motel size bar of soap. __________________ Aim real good we're nearly out of ammo.

07-23-2008, 08:56 AM	#3
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,262 Images: 1	Good suggestions MF !! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

07-23-2008, 11:28 AM	#4
GlennM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 163 Blog Entries: 1	waterproof matches (you'll need fire) Perhaps a hiker's stove and a few squares of trioxane or other fuel A magnesium fire starter as a last resort if things get wet (scrape off a few shavings and use the flint on the side for sparks) Flashlight or small lantern Just .02 worth __________________ A Matter of Timing - A Novel for all Patriots. Sneak Preview & Links here: www.gmillercompanies.com

07-23-2008, 12:04 PM	#5
mwatson Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Rogers, Arkansas Posts: 236	I am going to stay home as well. I have a disabled wife with diabetes and also a disabled daughter. I will protect from the home front. We will lay low and try not to attract attention. I have entirely too much ammo and stuff to try and walk out. Mike __________________ ..............................HOWDY

07-23-2008, 12:18 PM	#6
mos19k Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Miami, Fl. Posts: 314	As with most folks on here, I'm planning to stay put if at all possible. As you stated in the OP sometimes you have no choice and have to hoof it. What you should carry depends on your surroundings. If in a desert area then water becomes very crucial, if in the South, water is abundant and you only need a way of purifying it. Same goes for food, are you in an area where game or edible plants are prevalent, then don't carry as much food. The one thing you must have and you carry it with you at all times is knowledge. Knowledge will help you find water, food and shelter, this covers the basics. You already know to carry backups for anything that's crucial. Two forms of fire starting, two forms of water purifying and so on and so forth. If you want to carry more than two forms, great can't have to many backups. Always keep in mind that you have to carry this stuff and weight does add up especially in a high stress situation.

07-23-2008, 04:06 PM	#7
RedneckCatholic Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Albania, the Ohio Valley Posts: 177	OK--Here's a revised list for the vest, assuming that it is worn over approriate clothing for my area. waterfilter iron rations for 36 hours sidearm w/ 3 magazines pncho F/A kit insect reppellant maps compass whistle marine band hand held 50 round long arm ammo (12 ga. or 7.62 x54 HB) fleece sweater socks water bottle "bic" lighters (2x) mini mag light I always wear a brimmed hat--summer type and winter type. Also a large sized silk (homest!) grey bandanna when i the woods. I used to wear a snipers veil for the same job in the Army, and might get one again just for the SHTF vest. This presupposes that I'm heading to a rally point that the Fam know about.

07-23-2008, 04:43 PM	#8
Mike Franklin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 1,276	Well, all you need to do is try walking there once to see if you have enough stuff. The only way to know if you'll pass the test is to take the test. __________________ Aim real good we're nearly out of ammo.

07-29-2008, 01:32 PM	#9
SwedeSteve Bullet Maintenance !! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The anchor point, Alaska Posts: 10,262 Images: 1	^ I cannot agree more hardily wiith this !! You really got to put yourself to the test. 2 bic lighters is a smart idea, but if they get wet you're screwed. Put them in a waterproof container (my backup bic is in a condom, REALLY!! Totally waterproof and is a great firestarter !) . Speaking of which, you need some kind of firestarting material/kindling. Fat lighter, pitch, trioxane, candle, etc. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers Last edited by SwedeSteve; 07-29-2008 at 01:34 PM.

07-31-2008, 01:40 AM	#10
larmus Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: arizona Posts: 621 Images: 6	have you thought of a "camel back hydration system" or the equivelant. wal-mart has a backpack version. i bought two. they could carry everything you have listed and if not stuff the rest in your pants. i have a tactical vest as a bob and a bag. so if i have to drop the bag and leave i still have my vest. i also have a small survival kit with knife attached to my carry weapon, just in case i need to run with out my bag or vest. the gun stays with me at all times.

07-31-2008, 12:31 PM	#11
RedneckCatholic Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Albania, the Ohio Valley Posts: 177	Yeah--I thought about a camel back system. The pack I favor can handlw one. But i was thinking that if I had to drop my pack with the fam, so they could have cross loaded items, and do anything of a nature to help them diddi mao. I can't see me handling two packs, or having enough time to change out, in a worst case scenario.

07-31-2008, 03:18 PM	#12
Mike Franklin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 1,276	It's real important that each one of us get into a group of friends. If you're trying to take care of very young kids or anyone disabled you are going to need help. Luckily kids grow up to be assets and even a disabled person can have some skills to use. There are also good people who are willing to help with those who have problems. It could be real tough on those who find themselves alone in a world in turmoil. __________________ Aim real good we're nearly out of ammo.

07-31-2008, 03:30 PM	#13
stevensj2 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 42.77°,84.60° Posts: 306	Thats a nice list. I might add a magnifying glass and some tinfoil. Could be used as a signal, start fires, etc. (Ever see how shiny some chocolate can make a soda can? Wildwood Survival - Fire from a Can of Coke and a Chocolate Bar) Also a sewing needle + thread. Multiple uses (wounds, clothing, catching fish, etc).