What else do I need to add to my equipment?

[txdude321]

In the case of a SHTF scenario i was wondering what else I could add to my equipment incase i need to bug out or fight my way to shelter?

I currently have 4 guns

12 ga Mossberg 28 inch barrel 3 chokes
.22Lr rifle with plenty of ammo
.30-06
.270

And I have a few knives/ a multi tool I dont have a true "survival knife" the closest one to it is a buck 119

I have a small mini mag lite flash light

What else might I need to add

[larmus]

Do you plan on carrying all these on your person? i.e. slings and packs, cause if you are its gonna get awfully heavy... in a shtf senerio you have to determine whether or not you i be going by vehicle, bike, or on foot... most likely the roads will be completely clogged with vehicles so you are going to have to pack everything out... The average weight of a service mans pack is 60 to 75# and thats just carring their M4 and service pistol and gear so think weight, how much does your pack weigh? Can you travel a mile comfortably with it can you walk all day with it on your back? Now add all the weapons and ammo you want to take can you still carry everything? Me personaly if i have to leave im leaving some rifles behind cause i cant carry them all...

Being limited to rifles right know sucks, i would have suggested a nice handgun but you cant own one, so i say keep the .22lr and ammo, keep the mossberg and get the 18" barrel for it and sell the other two and get a good semi-auto something AR, AK, SKS, GARAND or pistol cartridge carbine just something bigger then the .22lr... and pray to god you dont have to fight to get to shelter cause that would suck too.

not jumping you or anything just being realistic...

[JMcDonald]

I agree. While the two long-range long guns could be useful, in a "bug out on foot" situation they might not necessarily be worth their weight and clumsiness. Plus, a guy walking down the road with four guns strapped to his back might invite some unwanted attention (whether military / law enforcement, or desparate civilians in need of equipment).

[Pope130]

Backpack.
Belt order.
Canteen and canteen cup.
Water purification gear (tablets and/or filtration systems).
Fire making gear.
First aid kit and medications (as needed).
Spare eyeglasses (if needed) and sunglasses.
Sun Block.
Salt tablets.
Rain gear (rain coat and pants or poncho)
Light weight sleeping bag or poncho liner.
A good knife.
Another good knife.
Walking boots and spare socks.
Concentrated food, enough to reach your bug out destination.
Beverage concentrates. Tea or coffee, electrolyte/hydrating drink mix.

Most of this will go in the pack. Your belt order should include your canteen and cup, some ammo for your primary weapon, a knife, fire starting gear and a basic aid kit. If you get separated from your pack this will keep you going.

That would make a good start.

Other items will depend on your circumstances, abilities and plans.

Robert

[Big Dog]

In a BO situation, take the 12 gauge shotty, and add a good accurate .22LR pistol for small game. If you get the chance to hunt while on the move it will something you come across close up. The two heavy rifles are overkill. A good .22 pistol can bag rabbits, squirrel and birds.
Also, the shotgun won't scream "survivalist!" to the sheeple you encounter.
A good frame pack, and all the proper gear for rapid movement - don't bringthe kitchen sink.
Have a good amount of gear and food, whatever you need, at your destination. Travel as light and quick as possible.

[larmus]

1st - 2nd - 3rd line gear...

here is a link to a thread i did and there is a link with in it that should help as well...

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/sur...line-gear.html (first, second and third line gear)

[Lobo0311]

The 12 ga is an excellent choice in a BO situation, as is a .22LR or a .22WMR pistol. Mossberg has a JIC (Just in case) package that includes their model 500 in 12ga in a watertight container, that includes a basic survival kit. since you already have a 12ga, I'd say find a similar way to carry the rest of your gear in a manner that will keep it dry and out of the way. As for the "survival" knife issue, I would recommend against it as they do not have full tang blades, they look good in movies but are'nt practical in rl scenarios. Take a look at Cheaper than dirts website for survival packages that you can modify or expand to fit your personal needs, just keep in mind that survival requires the bare necessities at the very least, you don't need to cart around the entire bathroom medicine cabinet.

[TACAV]

One good reliable long gun and one good reliable pistol.

Unless you want to cart along the tactical wheel barrow

[Metronome]

Originally Posted by TACAV

Unless you want to cart along the tactical wheel barrow

I was planning on a 'Tactical Cooler', I just need to find a digital urban camo version...

I have a standard pack that I use for camping/hunting that is always just my basic gear. Mine includes an alcohol stove and fuel, because a camp fire is not always an option (although if you grab a folding steamer basket they work excellent as a safe foundation for a personal fire pit). I also keep a roll of jute twine, trail snacks, toiletpaper and chapstick - who says surviving has to be uncomfortable?

[BudW]

Mirror
Water Tablets purify water

[txdude321]

Originally Posted by TACAV

Unless you want to cart along the tactical wheel barrow

That gives me an idea

[nathangdad]

Also, a scope for the rifled shotgun barrel.

[sea_chicken1]

You might want to consider and extra barrel for your shotgun or a carbine and a handgun. U can find an airforce pilots knife for a decent price at alot of surplus stores for a good survival knife.

[Sam Ruger]

Originally Posted by nathangdad

Also, a scope for the rifled shotgun barrel.

LOL!

I like this one the best.
I have a shotgun and it works well for local hunting and home self defense but a box of shells takes up way too much weight and space and how long would a box of shotgun shells last you anyway?

I think a lot of people here think, when they have to bug out when the SHTF, that all the gas stations will be open and the roads all clear, so they can just pack up the RV and drive off to Yellowstone with four rifles, two pistols, a dozen different knives and axes with the kids in the back playing their game cubes plus that 12 guage next to the seat with how much ammo?

You have to wonder if these people even own a pack?

[big shrek]

Originally Posted by Sam Ruger

LOL!
I think a lot of people here think, when they have to bug out when the SHTF, that all the gas stations will be open and the roads all clear, so they can just pack up the RV and drive off to Yellowstone with four rifles, two pistols, a dozen different knives and axes with the kids in the back playing their game cubes plus that 12 guage next to the seat with how much ammo?

You have to wonder if these people even own a pack?

That's why you have a Nifty Bug Out Tractor/Bulldozer!!! You always keep it full of diesel. You take a 80' grain-hauling trailer like the one from TREMORS and refit it to be a Camping-trailer by using a steel battleship doors for entry & more plate steel on the top. Place a few 150-watt solar panels on the top to run the Winnabago AC unit. Use solid tires...no blowouts. Heck, you can even add a permanent water tank and extra 150-gallon diesel tank and STILL have plenty of room

But caution...only do this if your name is BURT!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!

[Lobo0311]

Originally Posted by Sam Ruger

LOL!

I like this one the best.
I have a shotgun and it works well for local hunting and home self defense but a box of shells takes up way too much weight and space and how long would a box of shotgun shells last you anyway?

I think a lot of people here think, when they have to bug out when the SHTF, that all the gas stations will be open and the roads all clear, so they can just pack up the RV and drive off to Yellowstone with four rifles, two pistols, a dozen different knives and axes with the kids in the back playing their game cubes plus that 12 guage next to the seat with how much ammo?

You have to wonder if these people even own a pack?

I also wonder if some of the folks on here realize that in a true BO situation, you arent going to have time to pack, you need to have gear setup ready to just grab and go, the vast majority of your stuff is going to get left behind. As long as you have the bare essentials ( firearm, meds, food, some extra cloths.etc) you should fair ok. The load has to express how long you plan on being gone, while at the same time giving you comfort at the prspect of being gone longer. Keep in mind it took over a month for FEMA to get water to some of the residnets in New Orleans, so dont plan on the availability of outside help you need to be able to do for yourself and possibly others.

[whirlwind]

guns ammo and all the other stuff is a given but one thing you want to pack is plenty of toilet paper! guys in my platoon always made fun of me stocking up on it before we had a field exercise but after a few days in a swamp scrubbing their butts with leaves sticks and tons of other things i dont wanna even talk about,they all came to me for a squeeze of the charmin! and it has other uses too...tinder for making a fire,makeshift bandages,padding,insulation...theres just nothing it cant do!

[pico]

It all depends on what the reason for bugging out is, but for long term SHTF scenarios, having one common round is the answer. The 22 is not good for self defense, and if someone tells you it is they do not know shit about this round. It is good for very small game and practice, but that is it. The .270 is common now, but how much so if things get dicey. The 30-06 is not used by the US military or law enforcement agencies these days. A shotgun is only effective even with rifled barrels and sabot slugs out to 150 meters. If you have a garand, get it rebarrelled to .308. This ammo can be found easily in bulk. If the new barrel and cost to have it put in seem too high, buy an SKS.

When I began prepping a few years ago, I did not have much $$$ and ended up buying an RPK (semi of course) with a few drum mags and a half dozen SKS. I then tarted them up a bit by adding 20 round mags, tapco stocks with the compliance parts, and removed the bayonet and replaced with a folding bipod on some. My daughter was able to hit with a red dot attached to the gas cover at 100 meters, and she was only 6 at the time.

Keeping things in a common caliber is the way to go for a group, and the commie stuff is more rugged and cheaper to feed. You really need a handgun too. If funds are too much, save a couple of hundred and buy a Makarov. I think they are great for concealment, but they have limitations. If money is not too tight and concealment not a concern, buy a Glock. I have a Glock 20 and 21, with slides converting both to the other. Also, a glock 20 can take a .40 S&W barrel to allow it to fire that common police round. The 10mm is a great round, but will not be common in a long term down cycle. The .45 is making a strong comeback lately, so getting a Glock 21 may be the answer. I like the newer rounds like the .40 Super, which can be used with a simple barrel and spring change.

Also, you will need to have something to haul your stuff in. I thought about using an enclosed trailer, but the idea of hauling ten thousand rounds of rifle ammo, a dozen firearms, all the kit to support these items in the field, and tents, clothing, food, water and filters, and on and on made me rethink my plan. The trailer I have is a new 6x10x6 single axle and would have been severely overtaxed on cement roads with my bugout load for a family of 5. I am not sure the best way to haul off other than to preposition things along the way.

Good luck

[Metronome]

Originally Posted by big shrek

That's why you have a Nifty Bug Out Tractor/Bulldozer!!! You always keep it full of diesel. You take a 80' grain-hauling trailer like the one from TREMORS and refit it to be a Camping-trailer by using a steel battleship doors for entry & more plate steel on the top. Place a few 150-watt solar panels on the top to run the Winnabago AC unit. Use solid tires...no blowouts. Heck, you can even add a permanent water tank and extra 150-gallon diesel tank and STILL have plenty of room

But caution...only do this if your name is BURT!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!

I love that movie!

[Sam Ruger]

Originally Posted by pico

It all depends on what the reason for bugging out is, but for long term SHTF scenarios, having one common round is the answer. The 22 is not good for self defense, and if someone tells you it is they do not know shit about this round.

The .22 is the best survival round there is – Period.

You can take out a rabbit or a 2000 pound bull with one shot. You can go subsonic and take out some farmer’s guard dog and then his chickens afterwards and he’ll sleep right through it. You can drop a deer at 75 yards with one shot if it’s not on the run. You can take out pheasant, turkeys, ducks, and geese. When the USG issued survival weapons to our troops in Alaska in WWII, they issued them 22’s and not the M1’s they already had.

I can probably carry a thousand rounds in the same amount of space you can carry fifty.

And the 22 can, will, and has killed people. But that’s an almost useless point. Because, when the SHTF, you won’t be defending yourself against other people. You’ll be trying to get out of Dodge with all the rest of us.

It is good for very small game and practice, but that is it. The .270 is common now, but how much so if things get dicey. The 30-06 is not used by the US military or law enforcement agencies these days. A shotgun is only effective even with rifled barrels and sabot slugs out to 150 meters. If you have a garand, get it rebarrelled to .308. This ammo can be found easily in bulk. If the new barrel and cost to have it put in seem too high, buy an SKS.

When I began prepping a few years ago, I did not have much $$$ and ended up buying an RPK (semi of course) with a few drum mags and a half dozen SKS. I then tarted them up a bit by adding 20 round mags, tapco stocks with the compliance parts, and removed the bayonet and replaced with a folding bipod on some. My daughter was able to hit with a red dot attached to the gas cover at 100 meters, and she was only 6 at the time.

Keeping things in a common caliber is the way to go for a group, and the commie stuff is more rugged and cheaper to feed. You really need a handgun too. If funds are too much, save a couple of hundred and buy a Makarov. I think they are great for concealment, but they have limitations. If money is not too tight and concealment not a concern, buy a Glock. I have a Glock 20 and 21, with slides converting both to the other. Also, a glock 20 can take a .40 S&W barrel to allow it to fire that common police round. The 10mm is a great round, but will not be common in a long term down cycle. The .45 is making a strong comeback lately, so getting a Glock 21 may be the answer. I like the newer rounds like the .40 Super, which can be used with a simple barrel and spring change.

What was that about having “One common round is the answer”?

Also, you will need to have something to haul your stuff in. I thought about using an enclosed trailer, but the idea of hauling ten thousand rounds of rifle ammo, a dozen firearms, all the kit to support these items in the field, and tents, clothing, food, water and filters, and on and on made me rethink my plan. The trailer I have is a new 6x10x6 single axle and would have been severely overtaxed on cement roads with my bugout load for a family of 5. I am not sure the best way to haul off other than to preposition things along the way.

So your “bug out” plan fails to include a way to bug out because you have way too much ammunition and weapons to haul? And so your plan is to use those weapons to appropriate other people’s vehicles along the way?
Yeah. That will work. Right up until you try an appropriate mine or those of others here – And then you’ll be dead.
No offense but you’re “bug out” plans are in contradiction. You have a trailer but you can’t pull it. You think you have to shoot your way out of town because - What? Someone’s shooting at you to keep you in?

Here’s what you’re prepared for – A 100 mile evacuation. You can get your trailer that far. If 100 miles is all you have to go to escape the SHTF situation, you’re safe. If not, you’re assuming the kid behind the counter at the next gas station is still going to still be there waiting to sell you gas because he values his Minimum Wage job more than his own life and has not bugged out himself. Without gas, that trailer’s not moving and neither are the cars you appropriate. You might even go 250 miles before you run out. Who knows? Either way, one of two things happened 1) You’re out of danger in which case you don’t need all that firepower or 2) You’re still in danger and now you have no means of further transporting all that firepower. So what good is all that firepower? Either way, it does you no good.
You know what you’re really going to need at the end of that 100-250 miles or whatever if you’re still in danger? Five bicycles, packs, and a 22.