[Taurus Fan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Ride n shoot

Is it ok to dry fire a millinium? Me and my friends have debated this alot.

Yeah it's OK. Any modern centerfire pistol is OK to dry fire.

[kstedman]

I have a couple of questions:

1) What is the difference between the Millenium and the Millenium Pro?

2) When were the non-pro Milleniums manufactured?

Im thinking about buying my fathers PT-111 stainless 9mm and he claims to have shot about 150-200 rounds with absolutely no problems. There is no cracking and it looks almost brand new. I've heard both positive and negative (more positive) with regards to the performance of the Milleniums.

I'm headed out to shoot it tomororrow.

Thanks!

[Kappy]

Quote:       Originally Posted by kstedman

I have a couple of questions: 1) What is the difference between the Millenium and the Millenium Pro? 2) When were the non-pro Milleniums manufactured? Im thinking about buying my fathers PT-111 stainless 9mm and he claims to have shot about 150-200 rounds with absolutely no problems. There is no cracking and it looks almost brand new. I've heard both positive and negative (more positive) with regards to the performance of the Milleniums. I'm headed out to shoot it tomororrow. Thanks!

1)

Quote:      

The Millennium Pro pistols offer many improvements over the standard models, but were introduced as enhancements to the originals, not to supplant them. Pro counterparts have now been released for nearly all of the original models. Some features of the Pro line include optional increased magazine capacities, larger and easier to operate controls, a single action/double action trigger mechanism on some models with reduced trigger travel and an improved smoother and lighter trigger pull, an enhanced frame, and an improved more ergonometric grip design. Key to the grip upgrade are recesses which Taurus call 'Memory pads', intended to promote a consistent shooting grip from shot to shot. Other Pro improvements include the contrast enhanced Heine ‘Straight-8’ sighting system, as well as optional night sights, a loaded chamber indicator which can be felt as well as seen, and a feature labeled 'posi-traction' which consists of an alteration to the number and layout of the slide serrations resulting in an improved gripping surface.

2) I think 2005?

As to the positives and negatives, I'm going to say something which may sound odd. I recently reported that the safety on my PT140 Pro snapped off. I was just shooting and the tab separated from the internal part. Poor metallurgy, apparently. But that being said, my gun is incredibly reliable. It has never failed to shoot factory rounds. It never fails to fire, fails to cycle, or anything else. The only problem is that the damned safety snapped. I've never heard of that being reported before. I ordered a new safety and I figure it should get here in a few short weeks and it'll be fine. This gun really is pretty cool. It was fairly inexpensive (I don't need a $1,000 carry weapon). I bought a $700 gun from Ruger and it jammed so badly that it was unusable for pistol league.

Anyway... I digress. I like my PT140. I don't think it will ever fail me. Safety snaps off? Psht. Safeties are great and all, but they don't stop the gun from going bang.

[single shot]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Beer Forever

I just got a Taurus 66 .357 6'' barrel. I took it to the range for the first time and it is great. I was hesitant to get a Taurus, but how can you go wrong with a wheel gun? I need to shoot a few hundred rounds out of it before I am totally certain.

The cylinder can fall out when you point it down. To clean it.

[gandog56]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Taurus Fan

Yeah it's OK. Any modern centerfire pistol is OK to dry fire.

I guess you don't consider a CZ52 to be modern, then.

[Taurus Fan]

Quote:       Originally Posted by gandog56

I guess you don't consider a CZ52 to be modern, then.

There are a few exceptions, like some of the Star pistols from way back, don't know anything about the CZ52. You mean that old czech service pistol made in 1952?

No, I wouldn't consider that modern at all.

[Zenfoldor]

Here is my take ladies and gentlemen. In 2005, and the years predating that, Taurus had a problem with QC in their semi-automatic guns.

Semi-Autos are more precise instruments than wheel guns, and therefore, have always been a tad more difficult to get right.

Post 2005, Taurus stepped up their QC as they expanded, in all areas.

For a DA wheel gun, you will not do better than Taurus within reasonable price ranges.

The Raging Bull is, in fact, the best .454, due to heavily touted mistakes by their major competitors. The Redhawks being notoriously inaccurate, and the S&W in general being incapable of firing hotloads(due to weak frames designed a hundred years ago). The Raging Bull is not only accurate, cheap, reliable, guarnteed for life, and very, very durable, it also arguably looks better, and has less recoil, thanks to the ported barrel.

In fact, a Raging Bull .454 is, imho, the best value in a .44 or better gun you're gonna get, and you will spend upwards of 2000 dollars to match this 600 dollar gun in overall quality(warranty, durability, accuracy, craftsmanship).

These are things that most people would agree upon, after a little research.

The real issue here, and lets be clear, is the quality of pre 2005 manufactured Taurus' semi-autos, and also, the CSR department and phone center at Taurus.

I work at an overworked phone center. It is hard to give individual attention when you have tons of clients and only about 5 people working the phones, faxes, and paperwork. Especially when you are dealing with complexities like gun laws, or medical insurance.

The secret is to be persistant, and request to speak to the same CSR everytime. You will get your gun back much quicker.

All this said, Taurus revolvers, and especially the Raging Bull series, are amazing values for the price, and CS qualms or not, if you are a magnum fan and have never enjoyed one, you are missing out, due to bias formed about a business, which vastly upgraded their product line many times since last you tried them.

Buy a Taurus semi-auto? No. Skip the Springfiled XD and the Baretta also, though. Get a glock. They are popular for a reason, and are built on the simple premise of simplicity, dependability, and perfection. If you are serious about protecting yourself with a gun, the Glock .40 is the way to go. That is just my opinion. I don't care how "pretty" other guns look or how well you perceive them to shoot. Get an ugly, simple, working glock. It'll be there for you when the time comes. Period. They are popular for a reason, and despite popularity backlash, nothing stacks up to them in durability and consistancy. Also, factually, no other gun offers you the customization, simply due to the popularity(besides perhaps the mossberg 500 pump).

Wheel gun, NIB? In larger modles, well, besides the afformentioned bull, S&W and Ruger both make fine guns in their 629 and Super Redhawk models. They both have major flaws, however(Redhawk is relatively inaccurate, and the S&W models have no tolerance for the psi inherant to those shells, you shouldn't fire anything really powerful(relatively of course, lol) out of your Smith). The exception is the .500 which of course, should only ever be a S&W(it has no flaws in that model, and is one of the best handguns ever made).

Does anyone actually claim that Taurus DA revolvers "suck?" I don't think anyone would say that in this day and age. It's just not true. Taurus is now a "Big 3" company, in revolver land.

[single shot]

For Zenfolder - there is one person!
Taurus DA revolvers "suck" - I have a new one (if January of this year is new enough for you) it sucks but I can't swap it for anything right now. Not much on the shelf for sale right now. But not to worry I have a ruger speed six from the old days that is a great wheel gun!!!

[gandog56]

Quote:       Originally Posted by single shot

For Zenfolder - there is one person! Taurus DA revolvers "suck" - I have a new one (if January of this year is new enough for you) it sucks but I can't swap it for anything right now. Not much on the shelf for sale right now. But not to worry I have a ruger speed six from the old days that is a great wheel gun!!!

And yet my best and most accurate revolver is a 25+ year old Taurus Model 66 .357 revolver. The only thing that thing has needed in all those years was a new spring, and to Lok-Tite the crane screw.

Best $240 bucks I ever spent.

[KW Gary M]

Any of the Taurus haters have a .22 Taurus revolver they feel the need to get rid of because it is such junk I'd love it. In fact I'll take any of those shitty Taurus guns off your hands. Just PM me for my dealer's address and FFL. I'll even pay the shipping.

[Midas]

Picked up a 3" Taurus 605 recently, must have gotten ahold of a doggoned lemon, because it has performed flawlessly thus far!

No cylinder flying through the air, hammer falling off, barrel snapping in half, etc.

I had owned a few Taurus revolvers in the past, and while they did perform perfectly, I traded them away.

This particular gun lacks any of the flaws that I have heard so much about on internet message boards, like sharp edges, and poor fitting of parts.

I really don't understand what the fuss is about, the revolver seems well made, and has stood up to a steady diet of .357 mag loads, and it only cost $350 NIB!

At this rate I just might get another at some point.

[KW Gary M]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Midas

Picked up a 3" Taurus 605 recently, must have gotten ahold of a doggoned lemon, because it has performed flawlessly thus far! No cylinder flying through the air, hammer falling off, barrel snapping in half, etc. I had owned a few Taurus revolvers in the past, and while they did perform perfectly, I traded them away. This particular gun lacks any of the flaws that I have heard so much about on internet message boards, like sharp edges, and poor fitting of parts. I really don't understand what the fuss is about, the revolver seems well made, and has stood up to a steady diet of .357 mag loads, and it only cost $350 NIB! At this rate I just might get another at some point.

You and I must have gotten our Taurus's from the same batch. I own two and have owned several others and never had any of those problems either. My offer still stands to any of the Taurus haters. I'll be happy to send you my dealer's FFL info and pay the shipping if you want to send me those crappy Taurus guns you have.

[Elvis Is Dead]

Quote:       Originally Posted by KW Gary M

You and I must have gotten our Taurus's from the same batch. I own two and have owned several others and never had any of those problems either. My offer still stands to any of the Taurus haters. I'll be happy to send you my dealer's FFL info and pay the shipping if you want to send me those crappy Taurus guns you have.

Have you had anyone take you up on the offer yet?

[billy]

yep
they suck.*


*except for this .454 i have here thats been fed a steady diet of full house rounds without a hitch.
must be a fluke........

[TXplt]

My Judges all do great. PT-145 did fine too. I did have a problem with one of their 1911's--the hammer sometimes wouldn't drop--just a "click" of the trigger; never seen this malfunction before.

Customer service took quite a while to get fixed, but they did fix it.

[gandog56]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

yep they suck.* *except for this .454 i have here thats been fed a steady diet of full house rounds without a hitch. must be a fluke........

My aching wrist says the same thing about my Raging Bull .454 Casull. And my 25+ year old model 66 .357 mag is still the most accurate revolver I have ever owned.

[gandog56]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Elvis Is Dead

Have you had anyone take you up on the offer yet?

Only because Moose doesn't have one.

I wonder if he ever did?

[Midas]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billy

yep they suck.* *except for this .454 i have here thats been fed a steady diet of full house rounds without a hitch. must be a fluke........

Of course it is, just ask Moose!

[JG12gauge]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Midas

I've never had a problem with Taurus, but, I'd rather have a Ruger or Smith, anyday.

Your right about that. I think the taurus is a perfectly good gun but the ruger or smith is better. The taurus is great for people who dont want to spend a ton of money or just need a decent gun for plinking.

[gandog56]

I'll put my model 66 up against any Ruger or S&W .357 mag!