New Taurus " JUDGE "

judgecart · 02-19-2009, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by aimtrue

The pricing does vary with geographical location.

Same with me. I'm from Jersey and I got one for $500. I figured I'd buy it before they ban it. This state sucks.

With all the talk about use of particularly #4 Buckshot for SD, I just can't
help but wonder how that might of worked out for that women whose
friend was mauled by her 200lb chimpanzee? You know, a shot or two
square in the face?

Montana_Mauser · 02-19-2009, 12:47 AM

I'm with all of you who don't care too much for it. I can see where it might be nice for blasting snakes and stuff, but as a self defense weapon I wouldn't think it would be any more effective than a normal revolver, given the limited range of any sort of shot/buckshot in it.

But if you like it... have fun

SgtKnuckles · 02-20-2009, 09:15 AM

Judgecart,...
4's... Face shot~No Eyes~Brain Shot through the Eye Sockets~DEAD CHIMP...YUP

blat · 03-05-2009, 07:23 PM

I was looking for a Taurus 941 22 mag; although I had thought about getting a Judge. Behold, one "fell in my lap" today! It's NIB, 6 1/2", SS with the 2 1/2" chambers. The guy had some 410 slugs with it, tho I'm not sure how they'd work. I imagine these slugs are smaller than nominal 45 cal, and very light weight. I checked the net and around town; no 410 buck loads to be had. I dropped in Dick's and bought some 410 2 1/2 # 9.
With what appears to be shallower than normal rifling in the bore, I wonder if lead 45 LC loads would be more accurate than jacketed, or vice versa? I haven't had time to read all the posts on this thread, so this subject may already be covered therein. Also, I like to use +P loads, wondering if these would be ok?
The booklet that was in the box does not specifically address the peculiaities of this particular model, being rather general in it's coverage. Can somebody out there help a "brotha"?

788Ham · 03-05-2009, 08:08 PM

I've read the whole gamit of thoughts, opinions and "guess what's" on here, some very good thoughts, etc. However guy's, one thing I might throw out here, if a perp is 25 feet away or 5 feet away, if he's shot with #4 shot, #00 buck, or #000, how long do you think he's going to carry this chit around before he wants it dug out? HUH? If I were the type to harass someone with a Judge, and got one round fired my way, I'd definitely be looking for a different line of work in one hell of a hurry! I don't know how many of you have ever been shot with bird shot of any size, I have, #12 out of a .22, still carry a couple in my leg, you don't want to get it in the chest, or worse yet, the face! So, imagine a load of #4's in your face, you'll be pretty well recognized walking the street, or the morgue! Forget the fancy smancy BS, fire the damned thing and let him worry about how to get the whatever sized shot out!

788Ham

"He was just too high strung" Doc Holliday

blat · 03-05-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by judgecart

The only complaint I have with my 6.5" Judge is that my index finger
bumps the trigger guard. I learned that Hogue make a grip specifically
for the Taurus Tracker revolvers that includes the Judge. It is called
the Hogue Monogrip, Model 73000. Has a much larger space for
index finger, two finger grooves for other fingers and in easier to
reload with speedloaders. Costs are from $16.95 to $18.99. I have
one on order and hope this will work for me.

I used the Hogues on a 44 mag Tracker; the recoil could be felt more, but the grips felt good.

blat · 03-06-2009, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 788Ham

I've read the whole gamit of thoughts, opinions and "guess what's" on here, some very good thoughts, etc. However guy's, one thing I might throw out here, if a perp is 25 feet away or 5 feet away, if he's shot with #4 shot, #00 buck, or #000, how long do you think he's going to carry this chit around before he wants it dug out? HUH? If I were the type to harass someone with a Judge, and got one round fired my way, I'd definitely be looking for a different line of work in one hell of a hurry! I don't know how many of you have ever been shot with bird shot of any size, I have, #12 out of a .22, still carry a couple in my leg, you don't want to get it in the chest, or worse yet, the face! So, imagine a load of #4's in your face, you'll be pretty well recognized walking the street, or the morgue! Forget the fancy smancy BS, fire the damned thing and let him worry about how to get the whatever sized shot

"He was just too high strung" Doc Holliday

Yes,amen!

sparkystewart · 03-08-2009, 05:03 PM

Can I get the Judge in California?

blat · 03-10-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sparkystewart

Can I get the Judge in California?

That being the regime of Pelosi and Feinstein, maybe not. However, there is no special NFA classification on the Judge; it's treated most places as an ordinary handgun.

blat · 03-11-2009, 07:47 PM

OK, guys. I just fired my new Judge (6.5-2.5). It came NIB with 3 5 packs of 410 slugs. I loaded 2 slugs, a 45 lc and a #9 shotshell. I fired the first rnd(slug), then the cyl wouldn't turn. I opened the cyl and checked everything. I closed it back and fired the 2nd slug; same thing. I opened/closed, fired the45lc then the #9 shell, with no problems. However, I had to plastic hammer the rod to eject.
Apparently, the 410 slugs are backing out to the breech and tying up the gun. These slugs, after further tests are the problem. I fired 45's and shotshells with no problems. I hope the buck loads don't do this; I have none yet to test. The gun shoots to POA at 15 ft., so that's good. Might better check yours, before you have to use it for real. Haven't seen this problem mentioned anywhere else.

jjbath · 03-11-2009, 08:02 PM

Are you sure those slugs were 2 1/2"? I've heard reports of that happening with the 3" shells. I guess they will fit and fire but cause similiar problems to what you are seeing.

blat · 03-11-2009, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjbath

Are you sure those slugs were 2 1/2"? I've heard reports of that happening with the 3" shells. I guess they will fit and fire but cause similiar problems to what you are seeing.

Yes! Federal Power-Shok 2 1/2", # F412 RS.
This same thing usually happens when you fire a Speer 45 ACP shotshell in a revolver; it also happened, more severely, in the 22 Jet S&W's. I probably wont use slugs anyway; but I don't want anyone to have an SD encounter, with a nasty surprise, when I can fore warn them!

softballcoachki · 03-11-2009, 08:17 PM

true...I buy now because I want it. You cant look at price anymore. Its so out of proportion

jjbath · 03-11-2009, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blat

Yes! Federal Power-Shok 2 1/2", # F412 RS.
This same thing usually happens when you fire a Speer 45 ACP shotshell in a revolver; it also happened, more severely, in the 22 Jet S&W's. I probably wont use slugs anyway; but I don't want anyone to have an SD encounter, with a nasty surprise, when I can fore warn them!

I've been looking at the 3" version I hope the buck shot doesn't do the same thing.

blat · 03-11-2009, 08:56 PM

I'm thinking that the 410 slugs, being a solid projectile, are pushing the plastic hull backward slightly, whereupon the hull is "fireforming" to that step machined in for the 45 cartridge, and staying there, just enough to bind against the breech.
Another possibility is that the higher brass head on my slug rounds is swelling enough to hold the hull back tighter than a low brass head would.
But, I'm not an engineer, so what do I know!
Would someone out there experiment and give their opinion?

nick112207 · 03-11-2009, 09:17 PM

for some reason i thought i'd read that they recommend you not shoot high brass shotgun shells in a judge..............idk why i think that and i could be wrong but i could have sworn i read it somewhere........

blat · 03-11-2009, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick112207

for some reason i thought i'd read that they recommend you not shoot high brass shotgun shells in a judge..............idk why i think that and i could be wrong but i could have sworn i read it somewhere........

That could well be the problem; the manual that came with my gun has no specific section dealing with the Judge. If anyone else has seen that info, let us know what the source is, please.

SJHALL · 03-13-2009, 11:48 PM

I've got short fingers and the 'Ribber' grips on my Judge are too big to reach the trigger easily, has anyone tried the Pachmayr 04506 grips?

SJHALL · 03-14-2009, 12:47 AM

3" 000 Buck works fine for me. No jams or sticking.

I put up a small (18"?) cardboard box about 20' away and the 5 pellets scattered across the box face from one side to the other. This is the reason I got the gun. As others here have mentioned, for an 'inside-the-house' weapon it is easily handled, gives good odds your trembling hand will still allow you to hit (at least once) with .380 ballistics what you want to hit (and on the first shot...which will always impress the thing doing the threatening/being shot), and won't be an unreasonable danger to folks in another room, much less next door. The 45LC is gravy.

If you don't already have a gun and want something for home 'just in case', I think the Judge makes a good choice. NOTE: Lot's of folks are buying guns these days..if this IS your first gun please read up on gun safety and take a handgun course if you can. Owning a firearm is a serious responsibility and for close-up home defense, this little pocket shotgun is a serious weapon.

SgtKnuckles · 03-15-2009, 09:11 PM

~.45 Colt's~
Be sure to Clean the Judge's Throat, with a Wheel of these before you go Home
CCI Blazer 45 Colt 200 Gr. JHP
http://www.gamaliel.com/cart/product.php?productid=7960

Good Plinkers
Magtech® Cowboy Action Ammo.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=453964

Every Self Respecting Judge Owner Has A Box or Two for Important FUN...
GOEX Cowboy Action Black Powder Ammunition
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03-05-2009, 07:23 PM	#104
blat Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Western NC Posts: 386	I was looking for a Taurus 941 22 mag; although I had thought about getting a Judge. Behold, one "fell in my lap" today! It's NIB, 6 1/2", SS with the 2 1/2" chambers. The guy had some 410 slugs with it, tho I'm not sure how they'd work. I imagine these slugs are smaller than nominal 45 cal, and very light weight. I checked the net and around town; no 410 buck loads to be had. I dropped in Dick's and bought some 410 2 1/2 # 9. With what appears to be shallower than normal rifling in the bore, I wonder if lead 45 LC loads would be more accurate than jacketed, or vice versa? I haven't had time to read all the posts on this thread, so this subject may already be covered therein. Also, I like to use +P loads, wondering if these would be ok? The booklet that was in the box does not specifically address the peculiaities of this particular model, being rather general in it's coverage. Can somebody out there help a "brotha"? __________________ I feel more like I do now than I did awhile ago.

03-11-2009, 07:47 PM	#110
blat Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Western NC Posts: 386	OK, guys. I just fired my new Judge (6.5-2.5). It came NIB with 3 5 packs of 410 slugs. I loaded 2 slugs, a 45 lc and a #9 shotshell. I fired the first rnd(slug), then the cyl wouldn't turn. I opened the cyl and checked everything. I closed it back and fired the 2nd slug; same thing. I opened/closed, fired the45lc then the #9 shell, with no problems. However, I had to plastic hammer the rod to eject. Apparently, the 410 slugs are backing out to the breech and tying up the gun. These slugs, after further tests are the problem. I fired 45's and shotshells with no problems. I hope the buck loads don't do this; I have none yet to test. The gun shoots to POA at 15 ft., so that's good. Might better check yours, before you have to use it for real. Haven't seen this problem mentioned anywhere else. __________________ I feel more like I do now than I did awhile ago.

03-11-2009, 08:56 PM	#115
blat Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Western NC Posts: 386	I'm thinking that the 410 slugs, being a solid projectile, are pushing the plastic hull backward slightly, whereupon the hull is "fireforming" to that step machined in for the 45 cartridge, and staying there, just enough to bind against the breech. Another possibility is that the higher brass head on my slug rounds is swelling enough to hold the hull back tighter than a low brass head would. But, I'm not an engineer, so what do I know! Would someone out there experiment and give their opinion? __________________ I feel more like I do now than I did awhile ago.

02-19-2009, 12:47 AM	#102
Montana_Mauser Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Billings, Montana, USA Posts: 71	I'm with all of you who don't care too much for it. I can see where it might be nice for blasting snakes and stuff, but as a self defense weapon I wouldn't think it would be any more effective than a normal revolver, given the limited range of any sort of shot/buckshot in it. But if you like it... have fun

02-20-2009, 09:15 AM	#103
SgtKnuckles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 451	Judgecart,... 4's... Face shot~No Eyes~Brain Shot through the Eye Sockets~DEAD CHIMP...YUP

03-05-2009, 08:08 PM	#105
788Ham Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East of the hills Posts: 112	I've read the whole gamit of thoughts, opinions and "guess what's" on here, some very good thoughts, etc. However guy's, one thing I might throw out here, if a perp is 25 feet away or 5 feet away, if he's shot with #4 shot, #00 buck, or #000, how long do you think he's going to carry this chit around before he wants it dug out? HUH? If I were the type to harass someone with a Judge, and got one round fired my way, I'd definitely be looking for a different line of work in one hell of a hurry! I don't know how many of you have ever been shot with bird shot of any size, I have, #12 out of a .22, still carry a couple in my leg, you don't want to get it in the chest, or worse yet, the face! So, imagine a load of #4's in your face, you'll be pretty well recognized walking the street, or the morgue! Forget the fancy smancy BS, fire the damned thing and let him worry about how to get the whatever sized shot out! 788Ham "He was just too high strung" Doc Holliday

03-08-2009, 05:03 PM	#108
sparkystewart Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1	Can I get the Judge in California?

03-11-2009, 08:02 PM	#111
jjbath Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 37	Are you sure those slugs were 2 1/2"? I've heard reports of that happening with the 3" shells. I guess they will fit and fire but cause similiar problems to what you are seeing.

03-11-2009, 08:17 PM	#113
softballcoachki Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Lake Worth Posts: 8	true...I buy now because I want it. You cant look at price anymore. Its so out of proportion

03-11-2009, 09:17 PM	#116
nick112207 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 574	for some reason i thought i'd read that they recommend you not shoot high brass shotgun shells in a judge..............idk why i think that and i could be wrong but i could have sworn i read it somewhere........

03-13-2009, 11:48 PM	#118
SJHALL Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2	I've got short fingers and the 'Ribber' grips on my Judge are too big to reach the trigger easily, has anyone tried the Pachmayr 04506 grips?

03-14-2009, 12:47 AM	#119
SJHALL Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2	3" 000 Buck works fine for me. No jams or sticking. I put up a small (18"?) cardboard box about 20' away and the 5 pellets scattered across the box face from one side to the other. This is the reason I got the gun. As others here have mentioned, for an 'inside-the-house' weapon it is easily handled, gives good odds your trembling hand will still allow you to hit (at least once) with .380 ballistics what you want to hit (and on the first shot...which will always impress the thing doing the threatening/being shot), and won't be an unreasonable danger to folks in another room, much less next door. The 45LC is gravy. If you don't already have a gun and want something for home 'just in case', I think the Judge makes a good choice. NOTE: Lot's of folks are buying guns these days..if this IS your first gun please read up on gun safety and take a handgun course if you can. Owning a firearm is a serious responsibility and for close-up home defense, this little pocket shotgun is a serious weapon.

03-15-2009, 09:11 PM	#120
SgtKnuckles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 451	~.45 Colt's~ Be sure to Clean the Judge's Throat, with a Wheel of these before you go Home CCI Blazer 45 Colt 200 Gr. JHP http://www.gamaliel.com/cart/product.php?productid=7960 Good Plinkers Magtech® Cowboy Action Ammo. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=453964 Every Self Respecting Judge Owner Has A Box or Two for Important FUN... GOEX Cowboy Action Black Powder Ammunition http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0037466216113a&type=product&cmCat=SEAR CH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntt=GOEX&Ntk=Products&sort=all&Go.y=4 &_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&_D%3Asort=+&Nty=1&hasJS=true&Go. x=23&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fse arch-box.jsp.form1&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1