My 2 Cents On Taurus

[Mooseman684]

Sorry AH...I'm spoken for ! My Little Red-headed women (Southern gal to boot) Cooks for me and she shoots Squirrels with a .22 Handgun offhand, and can butcher a hog faster than most men I know, including me. She knows how to skin Grizz as well !
Thanks anyway buddy, If'n I ever get out that way, will look ya up, and share a good meal together!
You ever get up Here, you got a tour guide to show ya all the sights, Guaranteed !!! Moose Steaks on the Grill and all the fixin's!
Rich

[Dan22]

Mooseman, What does Moose meat taste like?

Please don't say chicken.

I would buy a recent Taurus .22 rifle. I think they may be better than early models.

[Mooseman684]

Moose Meat Taste like very fine aged Beef...Tender, juicy, no Cholesterol, very Mild and Tasty!
As far as Taurus Rifles Go, I have No opinion as to them. Never Had one come in for repairs, but nobody I know up here owns one either, So I can't say anything either way. Its the Handguns That come in for repairs more than any others.
Rich

[ArkansasHunter]

Thanks Mooseman for the invite and I hope you didn't mind me mess'in wid ya. LOL...A.H

[Mooseman684]

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Thanks Mooseman for the invite and I hope you didn't mind me mess'in wid ya. LOL...A.H

I'd be upset if ya didn't...I'd think you were sick or somethin....
Rich

[texas shooter]

I read through the AR15 site and 90% of those problems could be fixed easy by items such as, telling them to clean the gun completely out of the box before shooting it. Cleaning the mag. for some FTF problems and use a decent ammo., lite primer strikes- clean and lube firing pin, trigger assy. Shooting low- learn the sites on these guns they shoot with a "dead on" POA not a 6 o'clock hold, they will all shoot low that way. I have seen all these problems fixed many times by the people taking a minute to listen and learn instead of just bashing.

[Dan22]

Taurus haters:

I have the Taurus model 62 lever action .22 in stainless on my short list of .22 rifles I want and was wondering if anyone had anything specific they can point to that is not right with this beautiful piece.

I have read several test reports that were favorable on Taurus .22's.

The Taurus hating seems to be aimed at larger weapons, maybe the .22's shouldn't be lumped in with the others.

[stikbutter]

I'm probably going to get flamed here. But I am seriously considering a Taurus Ragging Bull in 500. The article in gun blast on the bull in 500 was great. Accuracy was good with 10" barrel. I looked at 454 but seems like everyone has one. And that 500 is just badasss. The price is just right, well better than a S&W. I still have a months worth of over time coming even with christmas coming Its still in the budget, got to shop while I still got OT coming. Been looking high and low for used reloading equipment but nothing yet.

[BluesStringer]

Originally Posted by texas shooter

I read through the AR15 site and 90% of those problems could be fixed easy by items such as, telling them to clean the gun completely out of the box before shooting it. Cleaning the mag. for some FTF problems and use a decent ammo., lite primer strikes- clean and lube firing pin, trigger assy. Shooting low- learn the sites on these guns they shoot with a "dead on" POA not a 6 o'clock hold, they will all shoot low that way. I have seen all these problems fixed many times by the people taking a minute to listen and learn instead of just bashing.

You know, it's funny you should end your post that way. Just last Friday night I signed up on TaurusArmed.com specifically so I could ask questions and take a minute to learn. I am close to buying another .45 for CCW, but want a compact or sub-compact to replace my S&W 4563TSW, a very large and heavy weapon. I posted that I had handled the PT145 but had not had a chance to shoot one. I love the feel of it, and I've heard great things about its accuracy for such a short-barreled weapon. In my quest for info on the series, I found a ton of negative reviews. I suppose some might have been by people who were just parroting things they've heard, but my perception is that the vast majority were offered from people relaying personal experiences with problems with their own, newly-purchased guns and problems with Taurus' customer service.

Well, to make a long story short, I made two posts saying that I was interested in hearing from people who had good experiences with Taurus' customer service dept., which I have yet to see any responses to. I said I was willing to be convinced that my skepticism was not well-founded, and I honestly am, but what I got instead was a rude, pushy, accusatory and paranoid PM from a moderator (maybe the owner, I don't know) who used innuendo and thinly-veiled accusations to say that I had come there with an "agenda" (his word, not mine) and ignored all the positive threads and posts about the PT145. He suggested that all I did was peruse the "Complaints" forum, when the truth is, I just glanced in there and went instead to do a search in the "Millennium Series" forum using the search criteria, "PT145." Just like someone in this thread said earlier, what I found was about 50/50 positive/negative. Even the ones that are positive all say something to the effect of, "I went to the range and shot 200 rds. through 'er and not one single problem!" And a lot of 'em say something like, "I had 1 FTF in the first mag, and then 1 FTE in the third mag, but after that it was smooth sailing!" Now why would anyone make a preemptive denial of problems unless it was common knowledge around there that problems are persistent in those guns? When I review a gun, I don't talk about problems unless I encounter them. Not so there, or almost any other forum I've found where a lot of info can be found on the MilPro series, including right here too. And the customer service horror stories are multitudinous! Anyone who buys a brand new gun and has to send it, at his own expense, to Florida for a 6 - 8 week repair session has every right and reason to be upset!

Now, I said all that to say this; I don't get why anyone would so vociferously defend Taurus in such a way as to dismiss folks with legitimate complaints as "haters" or "bashers." Do you own stock in the company or what? Why must you invalidate others' experiences in order to extol the virtues of your own? It's a really weird phenomenon that I've noticed at many gun-forums that I either participate in or read often, this site being an example of the latter.

When I try to scrutinize the strengths and weaknesses of something I'm considering buying, I want neither "haters" or sycophants offering opinions. According to you, the majority of people who voice complaints are blind bashers of an undeserving company who can do no wrong, and my experience suggests to me that way too many defenders of Taurus display a blind devotion and loyalty to a company which I believe is equally undeserving. Is there a middle-ground somewhere on the net? Hopefully here maybe?

My apologies for this rant being my first post here. I'll do better from here on out.

Blues

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Blues,

The only problem I have with people who say negative things about the Taurus line are those who repeat what they have read or heard from others as the gospel truth without ever having owned or shot one themselves.

Have they had problems; I am sure they had. Have they pissed off customers; I am sure they have done that also. Are they as bad as everyone who has never owned one says they are; I doubt it.

[Mooseman684]

Well stated BluesStringer...Welcome to G&G !
Rich

[BluesStringer]

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

Blues,

The only problem I have with people who say negative things about the Taurus line are those who repeat what they have read or heard from others as the gospel truth without ever having owned or shot one themselves.

Have they had problems; I am sure they had. Have they pissed off customers; I am sure they have done that also. Are they as bad as everyone who has never owned one says they are; I doubt it.

Well, my point here was as much about how two posts got me accused of all manner of nefarious "agendas" as it was about my questions, or my findings, concerning the MilPro line of Taurus firearms. I've been shooting, customizing and scrutinizing weapons for more than 40 years. Been on the web for a bit more than 10 years, much of that time spent reading about and talking about guns, and most of that talk has been about guns I've either owned in the past, own now, or am considering buying in the future. I've seen many discussions chronicling problems with certain guns. Even participated in a few. But I've never seen the level of irrational defensiveness that I've seen in the last couple of days as I try to find the truth about the MilPros. I haven't even come close to slamming the whole company. I've only sought information and asked questions about ONE specific weapon, the PT145 MilPro, didn't say a word about their rifles or revolvers or even any of their other auto-loaders, and I got chewed out and accused of things that I still have no earthly idea where they came from like I was 10 years old and had sassed my Mom.

I told the guy that my only agenda was defending my life and that of my family's, and that's the truth. To do that right, I need a weapon that does a whole lot better than 50/50, or even 90/10 for that matter. I've had my current EDC, the Smith I mentioned before, for at least 5 years now and have put somewhere in the neighborhood of 3,000 rounds downrange with it. Not one single misfire. Not one single FTF. Not one single FTE. All I wanted was for someone to convince me that the problems that I've read so much about with the 145, are resolved, so that I would feel comfortable replacing a gun with 100% reliability with it. I still am at a loss to figure out how that amounts to "bashing" or "hating," yet that is the tenor of defenders regardless of the thing being discussed is a personal experience of the poster. In short, I wanted someone to tell me, convincingly, that all the stories are untrue and/or exaggerated. Instead I was told that I am wrong for asking the question. That doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

Thanks for the welcome Mooseman.

Have A Good'un Y'all,

Blues

[Puppy]

I like my Taurus PT 1911 when it works.

The service "sucks" and I'm am NOT saying what I heard; I'm talking from experience and it's still on going.

I bought the 1911 last July. The ambi safety broke after 40 rounds. To make a long story short, Taurus told me to send in the safety and they would send me a replacement.

They received the broken safety on July 27. It's been 116 days and I am still waiting. I am back in operation, with a different ambi safety. I have no idea when, or if Taurus will ever honor their warranty, but I have decided that life time warranty means it will take a lifetime before they honor the warranty.

[cruizer]

Originally Posted by Puppy

I like my Taurus PT 1911 when it works.

They received the broken safety on July 27. It's been 116 days and I am still waiting. I am back in operation, with a different ambi safety. I have no idea when, or if Taurus will ever honor their warranty, but I have decided that life time warranty means it will take a lifetime before they honor the warranty.

I will say you are way more patient than I. I would be goin off if I haven't heard from someone that told me they were gonna fix my gun. Specially for 116 days. I can say I'm glad I have not had to send my guns in for service.

I have only run about 50 rounds through my PT1911, but my PT111 has been used and abused. Run through 2 CCW courses and spent hours shootin around at targets. Never one FTF.

I only hope, from what I've heard about customer service, that my 1911 turns out to be as reliable as my 9mm was.

I will say I don't concider anyone a "hater" for having an opinion on something they have had experience with. I will call someone a fool for commenting on something that they have no knowledge of though.

[ArkansasHunter]

Back in July when I bought my Mossberg 930 semiauto shotgun I had to go to another town 34 miles away to pick it up.
While there the store had 3 or 4 Taurus's new 1911 pistols in there show case.
I asked the guy waiting on me, have they sold any and he said 5 and all 5 have been returned due to manufacture screw ups.
That was a disappointment to me because I liked them and was hopeing they would be good pistols...but that was enough to turn me away from them. Sorry...A.H

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by BluesStringer

In short, I wanted someone to tell me, convincingly, that all the stories are untrue and/or exaggerated. Instead I was told that I am wrong for asking the question. That doesn't make a lick of sense to me.
Blues

I understood your position and also would like to hear from those who owned one who had those types of problems. As of yet I have heard from none except those who have never owned one and proceed to tell me everything they have read from this board or that board. Mooseman is the ojnly person to have any first hand experience with them but only as a repairman.

Sounds like the mod was a bit testy and probably has dealt with more than his share of Hearsay Experts.

Originally Posted by Puppy

I like my Taurus PT 1911 when it works.
The service "sucks" and I'm am NOT saying what I heard; I'm talking from experience and it's still on going.

Would certainly pizz me off to have a new gun break. Do you know what caused the malfunction/break?

[BluesStringer]

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

I understood your position and also would like to hear from those who owned one who had those types of problems. As of yet I have heard from none except those who have never owned one and proceed to tell me everything they have read from this board or that board. Mooseman is the ojnly person to have any first hand experience with them but only as a repairman.

With all due respect, you can't be serious about the bolded part. Take a look at this post (Thinking about a Taurus 24/7??) from this very site. Or this one. (Thinking about a Taurus 24/7??) Or this one. (Thinking about a Taurus 24/7??) Here's another one. (Thinking about a Taurus 24/7??)

Those four links are just from one thread in this forum, and all four are from people who say they own(ed) a Taurus. In fairness, there are more satisfied posters in that thread, but that's not my point. My point is that finding personal, first-hand-experience accounts of problems with these weapons doesn't take but 10 seconds to find on any active gun forum. I'd be willing to bet that I would find at least ten more personal accounts if I wanted to waste my time going through the entire Taurus forum on this site alone.

See, this is the kind of irrational defensiveness I'm talking about. You have to literally purposely turn a blind eye to the complaints to avoid reading first-hand accounts. It doesn't make sense. I have had zero problems with my S&W, but it would never occur to me to invalidate the experiences of someone who did have problems with theirs by suggesting they're somehow being dishonest in their accounts.

And by the way, I don't get the part of minimizing Mooseman's first-hand experiences as "only a repairman." I don't know Mooseman from Adam, but unless I'm given some reason to question his veracity in saying that, "From Years of Gunsmithing, I personally Have had More Taurus guns come in for Repair than ANY Other major brand at least 5 to 1...I am speaking from experience and personal observations as to what I have seen Inside of Revolvers and Semi-autos as far as machining and Parts.." then I'm going to take him at his word. A smith's point of view carries as much, if not more, weight with me than a layman's. Likewise, irrational defensiveness carries a lot of weight too, so whether you intended to or not, you're helping to convince me not to take a chance on Taurus.

Blues

[cruizer]

If it were that important to me, rather than just addin another gun to my collection, I would to see some local smiths. You may get some biased opinions, but just maybe you can get some background on what guns seem to have issues. I have trouble believing that most of their guns have issues. I couldn't see how they stay in business, and for so long. You're talkin about a company that started in 1941, even though they didn't move into the U.S. until 1968. But that's a long lifespan of a company that has been said to have that many problems.

I think smiths for the most part would give you a good idea of what guns they've seen have problems. Not to say some may not be a little biases opinion based on their prefrences. But I've found most to shoot you straight.

[redhed]

My hubby bought me a PT111 for my birthday last year. It had about a 12 pound trigger pull on it and if you shot it right handed, it pulled to the right and if you shot left handed it shot to the left.

I sent it to a gun smith to have trigger work done on it. Now keep in mind, my birthday is in July, I got the gun in the first of June, and sent it back in the end of June when the gunsmith I sent it to called me and told tell me that he found out that one of the problems the gun had when he went to do a trigger job on it was that it had a crack in the sear and it needed to go back to the company for repairs.

He sent it back to the company and....three months later I got my gun back. All I could remember about it was that it was black, had a trigger at one end and a hole in the other for the bullet to come out of. Evidently there was a silent recall on the weapons for faulty sears.

My gun smith (Talented craftsman btw), did a trigger job on it and sweetened it from 12 pounds to 5.5. Problem was that after 3 and 1/2 months absence, it would only shoot loads with Federal primers in them.

I tell you guys, that was one sweet trigger on a 9mm, but as unreliable as they come if you tried to shoot anything but Federals through it.

The thing was that with the 5.5 pound trigger in it I was able to hit the bullseye at 40 feet 3 out of 5 times....sweeeet.

But all good things must come to an end. Back to ye old gun smith it went and he put a stronger firing pin spring into it. Okay so it went from a 5.5 to a 7 pound pull and I'm not hitting the mark as often, but I can put anything into it now and it spits it out.

Would I buy another Taurus product? Maybe if the price was right.

I just wouldn't send it back to the company for repairs even under warranty. Their customer service is the pits although the people I talked with on numerous occasions were nice. And in Taurus's defense, they did a nice upgrade on the weapon.

It was just one hassle after another with it.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

BluesStringer let me educate you on some things.

First of all, I am not trying to convince you one way or the other to purchase a Taurus. I could care less if you buy one or cause them to go out of business. I really just do not care sir as I have other guns and would never dream of placing my life in the hand of just one firearm.

Secondly; you should take some time to read some other posts I have been involved in regarding this same issue.

Thirdly; I am not downplaying Mooseman's experience as a repairman when dealing with Taurus. I respect his opinion very much and believe you to be grasping at straws with that accusation.

Your keen powers of observation did find some fallacy with my statement because I did not include the words "until this thread". I have read far more positive from actual owners than negative on this forum and others. I have also read a far greater number of "I heard" or "I read" about Taurus firearms, which Sir YOU ARE GUILTY OF REPEATING without having any actual knowledge of. I welcome anyone to tell me of THEIR experiences, good or bad, with Taurus. Perhaps its best you don't buy any firearm because I am sure I can find threads where people have disdain towards any manufacturer; even Smith and Wesson.

I can see now why the Mod at the Taurus board was short with you. Buy A Taurus or buy a Smith; who cares? Why ask us? You seem to have made up your mind already.