My 2 Cents On Taurus

[nvshooter]

I have a stainless M608 with the 8-inch barrel. It has this tendency to lock up when I shoot it. I have to clear the lock-up by hand by cocking back the hammer all the way, then slowly dropping it on a live round. Once, I fired the round by accident. It scared the "chili no beans" out of me. This gun is finicky about what you put in it to shoot. Many rounds will not chamber.

I also have a stainless M689 in a 4-inch barrel. No problems ever. Go figure...

[BluesStringer]

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

BluesStringer let me educate you on some things.

First of all, I am not trying to convince you one way or the other to purchase a Taurus. I could care less if you buy one or cause them to go out of business. I really just do not care sir as I have other guns and would never dream of placing my life in the hand of just one firearm.

Fair 'nuff.

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

Secondly; you should take some time to read some other posts I have been involved in regarding this same issue.

Why? And have you really discussed the issue that I have commented on in this thread? Because my "issue" here has a lot less to do with the quality of Taurus firearms than it does with why some people go ape if you reference a negative review of them.

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

Thirdly; I am not downplaying Mooseman's experience as a repairman when dealing with Taurus. I respect his opinion very much and believe you to be grasping at straws with that accusation.

I only responded to what you said. If I misunderstood, I assure you it was not intentional.

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

Your keen powers of observation did find some fallacy with my statement because I did not include the words "until this thread".

Sorry, I have no idea to which statement of yours you refer here. Guess my powers of observation aren't so keen. (Shrug)

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

I have read far more positive from actual owners than negative on this forum and others.

As have I, which is why I referenced that fact in the thread I linked to, but again, the scorecard had nothing to do with the point I was trying to make.

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

I have also read a far greater number of "I heard" or "I read" about Taurus firearms, which Sir YOU ARE GUILTY OF REPEATING without having any actual knowledge of.

OK, help me to understand this. If I had come here (or to any forum for that matter) and stated unequivocally that Taurus products were crap because that's what I've read, then you'd have a point. I didn't do that though. I said I have read several reviews, the vast majority of which I perceive to be first-hand accounts, and I'd like to know what other Taurus owners have to say about the problems that some of those reviews mention. I made no conclusions whatsoever about the reliability of Taurus products here or at the other site. There, I just asked if owners considered theirs reliable. Here, I just observed that defenders go a bit overboard if anyone deigns to reference negative reviews. So what exactly am I guilty of repeating? That I've read first-hand reviews? Guilty as charged if that's it, but I have not stated one single conclusion based on reading anything; I've just asked others to refute or confirm what I've read based on their own personal experiences. Is that really something that I should feel guilty about?

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

I welcome anyone to tell me of THEIR experiences, good or bad, with Taurus.

Which is all I've asked for and sought as well, which begs the question, since you have not mentioned any personal experience with Taurus, why are you replying to my posts? Aren't you doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing?

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

Perhaps its best you don't buy any firearm because I am sure I can find threads where people have disdain towards any manufacturer; even Smith and Wesson.

Hmmm....I have no idea what that would prove. Certainly not a darn thing to me. See, I have no irrational urges to scold anyone who doesn't like their S&W just because I happen to like mine. That's the only "issue" I've argued one way or the other about in this thread, that the defensiveness of Taurus fans against people who have either had a bad experience or simply don't share their status as fans is just weird to me. Go ahead and find all the disdainful posts you wish about Smiths. How and why would that have anything whatsoever to do with my concerns and questions about the reliability of Tauruses? You really lost me on that one. But again, it may just be that my powers of observation are slipping.

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

I can see now why the Mod at the Taurus board was short with you.

Maybe you can explain it to me then, because nothing I said there, nor nothing I've said to you, would justify the aggressiveness or over-sensitive attitudes that I've gotten from either one of you.

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

Buy A Taurus or buy a Smith; who cares? Why ask us? You seem to have made up your mind already.

Well, with all due respect, I didn't ask you anything, and the only thing I've made up my mind about is that, to some people, asking questions and trying to find the truth about the reliability of Taurus Firearms is fightin' words. It may well be that the firearms are more stable than the people who defend them so vociferously.

Blues

[Mooseman684]

Take a deep breath and Relax Blues...
This just shows another reason why NOT to buy a Taurus...Too Much Controversy !!! LOL
Its Not worth getting all worked up about, even if you kinda feel attacked...just keep learning cuz we are all mis-understood at some point ...
Rich

[billy]

well my 454 works............

[Doctor Larry K]

I have had a 2' SS 357 5 shot Taurus revolver sitting loaded on my desk for 12 years. I vaguely remember shooting it once and the recoil was awesome. Up close and personal it is a devastating HD pistol. It is loaded with the mag safe frangible bullets (I think)

[BluesStringer]

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Take a deep breath and Relax Blues...
This just shows another reason why NOT to buy a Taurus...Too Much Controversy !!! LOL
Its Not worth getting all worked up about, even if you kinda feel attacked...just keep learning cuz we are all mis-understood at some point ...
Rich

I'm relaxed as I can be Mooseman. Did I come across otherwise? Didn't mean to if'n I did. Besides, I couldn't take a deep breath if my life depended on it after all that turkey 'n stuffin'!

Anyhow, I'm not done shoppin' yet. I don't have a ton o' money, which is obviously one reason the MilPros got my attention. I set out to find if they are inexpensive, or just cheap. Haven't really determined that yet, but they're certainly not the only lower-priced subcompacts on the market. I'm also looking at the Bersa Thunder .45 compact. I've glanced at others. Checked out the BersaTalk forum and the Bersa section here and saw things like, "The most underrated gun on the market!" Haven't seen any heavy knocks on 'em, but I also haven't read as much about them as the MilPros. I'll keep reading and see what I find. What do you think of Bersas?

By the way, I don't (and didn't) feel attacked per sey, mostly just misunderstood. Obviously something was taken not like I intended it. My apologies to SPOCAHP ANAR. I didn't mean for anything to get personal.

Blues

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Blues;

I own one Taurus chambered in 357 magnum. It is the 4" ported bbl, 7 shot model. It functions flawlessly everytime I have carried it to the range. It was purchased as a target weapon because I wanted something in 357. I can only complain about the heavy trigger pull; which is not a concern to me and can be fixed for about 20$. I would buy another one if I had a desire to purchase a modern manufactured weapon.

That is my experience with Taurus.

[tinnman357]

I have a tracker 627 .357, my only complaint would be the heavy trigger, and that dont bother me that much. other than than than not a lick of problems. I purchased it to complete my security system, I'm pretty sure if needed it will do its job. like some said earlier, if ya run out of bullets you can always beat'em to death with it. just my 2cents

[BluesStringer]

From everything I've read, I would have no reason to hesitate buying a Taurus revolver if that's what I was in the market for. I've seen a few complaints about them, but the number of them sold/complaints-ratio seems to be much less than with their auto-loaders. The majority of complaints come from the Millennium series, and to a slightly lesser extent, the 24/7 series, and to a much lesser extent, their 1911 series.

I am not a Taurus "hater" or "basher." I'm a discriminating consumer trying to find out where I will get the most bang for my buck. That's it. I sincerely apologize if I came across any other way.

Blues

[Mooseman684]

As far as Bersa Guns go, I can't say...Never owned one, never had one come in for repair, but, I don't know anybody with one in my area.
They are another South American gun made in Argentina. The Blue book list them cheap and not holding value , which is something I consider when buying a gun.
My suggestion to you if you want a .45 auto, is check out the New High Standard 1911A1 for 399.00.
American Made, full parts Interchangeability, Lots of customizing parts available, Uses Standard Magazines.
Best deal on the market right now!
There are also the RIA .45's and the Springfield Armory .45's which used to be US Made, but are now being Imported from S. America.
Rich

[mosineer]

Though I do not carry the same feelings toward Taurus that Mooseman does, I do respect his opinions. And he is right about his suggestions on what you should look at. Specifically something other than a Taurus. You have to be comfortable and satisfied with a firearm before you can ever trust one. I believe you are well beyond the point of ever being comfortable with a Taurus. If you bought one now and had a problem with it, you'd kick yourself for should have known better. If you didn't have a problem with it, you would worry about if you will. I think I will take Moosemans advice and check out the Hi Standard myself. Been looking hard at the RIA's really like them. I personally am "comfortable" with my MilPro 9mm and use it as one of my carry guns and a "Judge " I carry in my vehicle. Don't know about customer service.. never had to use it.. they both have always went bang when I wanted them to. May buy another one. I wish you luck on what ever you decide to get.

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[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by BluesStringer

I'm a discriminating consumer trying to find out where I will get the most bang for my buck.

Before you buy anygun try one out firsthand. Make sure is handles well and has little recoil. I tried out a friend's Taurus Millineum once and it had too much recoil for me. That tiny composite frame and the .40 didn't mix well for me. I like accuracy and prefer being able to control the shot pattern.

Originally Posted by BluesStringer

My apologies to SPOCAHP ANAR. I didn't mean for anything to get personal.
Blues

And I too Blues. Its often hard to understand one's frame of mind or brevity when reading one's written thoughts. I welcome anyone to tell me their experiences with any firearms they have experience with. I have also heard what what Mooseman has said bout Jennings, yet have no experience with them.

If you want economy you might want to look at a good milsurp gun. Makarov or the CZ 82 in 9x18 mak would fit the bill.

[ArkansasHunter]

Cz 82's are fun to shoot and fairly accurate. I haven't any experience with any other hand gun though. I think the CZ 82 is a little heavy for it's size. I can live with that.
I love it !!! The grip is great and when you pull the trigger it's waiting on you to do it again .
There an excellent buy and very well made. I wished I could find some White Pearl grips for mine LOL !!!

[BluesStringer]

Thanks for the recommendations y'all. Mosineer, I think you're right about it being too late to have the right comfort-level with the MilPro. I know you're right that I'd be kickin' myself in the butt if I did buy one and then had problems with it.

I think I might just be expecting too much in one "perfect" package. The High Standard is not what I'm looking for because I didn't see a compact model, which is the main reason I'm in the market for anything. The RIA does offer a compact though, so I may try to track one of them down locally to see how it feels. But what I mean about looking for the "perfect" package is size of the weapon, weight, accuracy, reliability, mag capacity and I wanted it in .45. I think that last thing may be what's getting in my way. There's myriad choices in .40 and 9mm, just not many in .45. My thinking in wanting another .45 is that I'd save on ammunition and not have to keep more than one caliber on hand for my everyday handguns. My wife has an XD-40 Service model, but she's not happy with it and wants to go to a smaller gun in 9mm. Well, I may try to work a twofer and find a good deal on a couple of XD-9 subcompacts. That way I'd solve my ammunition "problem" (it's not really a problem, I'm just chincy) and all my criteria except for the caliber will be met. I can live with that.

Anyone want to buy an almost new XD-40?

Blues

[cruizer]

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

Before you buy anygun try one out firsthand.

I would take that advice based on the next statement.

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

Make sure is handles well and has little recoil. I tried out a friend's Taurus Millineum once and it had too much recoil for me. That tiny composite frame and the .40 didn't mix well for me. I like accuracy and prefer being able to control the shot pattern.

A buddy of mine had a .45 24/7 and said it kicked like a SOB. I heard that about the Mil. and 24/7's. That the heavier cal. guns were hard to hold still. My 9mm didn't, but that's a big difference from 9mm to .45.

[CABLE]

I just shot one recently I liked it.

[K75RT]

I have had good not great luck with Taurus. I had a PT140 in .40S&W and the polymer frame failed. It was replaced and I sold the replacement. I own a Model 96 and a Model 94 in .22LR both are excellent arms. I have a Model 441 in .44Spl. it is a tack driver, the original action sucked but once the action was smoothed it really is nice. I have a PT 22 that I have with me daily, it feeds everything. Are there problems, yes, there are problems with every mass produced product. The real thing is the increase in quality control. I have has Remington rifles that were unsafe and hads to be sent back to the factory for replacement.... Taurus is under the spotlight due to the amount of guns they sell. Do some suck? You bet, are the majority of them serviceable...absolutely. Will I buy more Taurus products? Absolutely. If there is a problem they fix or replace...

[Tex in Maine]

here are my Taurus's and thus far my exspeinced with them has been flawless witht the exception of the .45 which has a broken slide lock spring, stll fires fine but I have to hold slide lock down with thumb while fireing and let it go on last shot so it hold open, the .40 has not had an issues my only problem has been waiting for Taurus to send me replacement spring, ordered about 2 months ago and am still waiting for it to arrive. as for accuracy I cannot really commint since I own 7 handguns of various makes, models and callibers and shoot the same with all, crappy. I am not a really good shot with handguns but most situations, as far as ccw and home defense, are at about 7 yards and at that range all my shots fall in the chest torso area, I would never try a head shot, and I am happy with that.

hhmmmm...that XD 40 would make a nice companion for my XD 45.

[BluesStringer]

Originally Posted by Tex in Maine

hhmmmm...that XD 40 would make a nice companion for my XD 45.

Hey, if you're serious about that, let me know soon. I talked it over with my wife and she really wants something smaller and lighter than the Service model, so she's all for selling it. I am planning on listing it on GB tomorrow (Sunday). Since I haven't read the rules here on sellin' stuff, I won't mention any price or anything, but you can get in touch with me at bluetom(@)knology.net (without the parenthesis). I'll do ya right.

Blues

[Tex in Maine]

Sounds great but bad timeing, just purchased a FA 91 , G3 clone, tonight plus I am working on an AK build and refinishing a vz 52, so I have a few irons in the fire currently. But you should have no problem selling on Gunbroker, I buy from there all the time, C&R as well as modern.