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Old 08-07-2011, 08:52 PM   #1
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Is subsonic .223rem enough for coyote's?

I have a lot of 'yotes on my property, but my neighbor's always complain when I fire. So I was thinking about getting a suppressor and loading subsonic ammo. The rifle is a remington 700 with a 20" barrel. Also, anyone know where I can pick-up some subsonic ammo online? I can't seem to find a place.
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Old 08-07-2011, 09:17 PM   #2
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Subsonic does not mean silent. The .45ACP is subsonic and is loud. If it is legal to shoot on your property, ignore the neighbors complaints.
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Old 08-07-2011, 10:13 PM   #3
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Or get a suppresor with subsonic ammo. A .223 will meter around 130db. It'll sound like a nail gun. However the 3 to 4 month wait is tough not to mention the 1k plus pricetag. As m14 said. If its legal and on your dirt, tell your neighbors to deal.
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Old 08-07-2011, 10:58 PM   #4
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If its legal and on your dirt, tell your neighbors to deal.
Yep.

Here is some subsonic .223 though - Extreme Shock Subsonic Covert-Ops Specialty Ammunition 223 Remington 100 Grain ASP Full Cycling Box of 20 - MidwayUSA
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Old 08-08-2011, 12:27 AM   #5
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Try a .22 mag. Or ignore your neighbors and do what you want.

Or maybe wait until one of their dogs or cats gets killed or mauled by a coyote, then see what they have to say.
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Old 08-08-2011, 12:57 AM   #6
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Or, you could point out to them that you are protecting their pets as well as yours.

Bring them one of the dead coyotes, and show them the teeth in their jaws!

If they are still complaining, then "oh, well."
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Old 08-08-2011, 03:20 AM   #7
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If he is complaining that much, send him the bill for the suppressor and the tax stamp. I bet he will not mind a crack here and there.
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:54 AM   #8
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If it's your property and it's out of the city...tell your neighbor to politely screw off.
If you have lotsa coyote on your land, I'd bet they do also...maybe they're feedin' the sneaky critters.
Get a rifle with a longer barrel.
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:18 AM   #9
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There used to be a threaded collar for the AR-15 that threaded on in place of the flash hider, that was set up to take a 1 liter or 2 liter soda bottle. The idea was you shot through the bottle and it cut down the noise. Back in the day the lamestream media used to refer to such a setup as a "ghetto silencer." Supposedly it was good for one shot, maybe two, per bottle.

I'd be cautious about using it, though, assuming you could even find one today. I somehow don't think the BATFE is terribly fond of anything that might be construed as a sound suppressor, or that could be used to turn an ordinary soda bottle into a quasi-suppressor.

I note that the Soviets never really did grasp how sound suppressors work, apart from the very astute move of making some for the locked-cylinder Nagant revolver. My understanding is they essentially took a can, drilled a hole in the bottom a trifle wider than the diameter of the bullet, filled the can up with steel wool and threaded the top to fit on the specially threaded barrel of the Nagant. If the KGB assassin using it was lucky, he might be able to fire all the rounds in his cylinder silently. But were he to reload, he'd discover his silencer was no longer all that silent.

From what I have read on sound suppression, the secret is to A) use subsonic rounds so you don't get the crack! of the bullet breaking the sound barrier; B) to use a series of baffles inside the suppressor itself to break up the sound waves and disperse them, as well as attenuate the propellant gases; and C) to mount the thing to a firearm that has a locked breech so everything goes just one way. You'll never get them to be totally silent, but you can quiet them enough that they won't heard in a crowded room full of talking people, or for the report to be recognizable as a gunshot.

But I think the guys who have said you need to have a conversation with your complaining neighbor are correct. oldjarhead is especially correct. But only you can decided if jumping through the BATFE hoops to get yourself a true sound suppressor is worth the time, money, aggravation and neighbor aggravation reduction that will result.
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:16 PM   #10
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Don't be telling people to break the law..
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Old 08-08-2011, 05:26 PM   #11
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As neat as sound suppressors are and I wish I had the money to get them myself, I think what Ten man said about protecting your pets and his is an extremely viable route. What time are you typically shooting at these coyotes?
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:42 PM   #12
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I load a 55 grain projectile with 4.0 grains of trail boss. (published data) have not shot a coy dog with it yet, but if the palcement is right, it should at least die if not on the spot. I shoot it out of the H&R Handi.
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:55 PM   #13
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If it were me I'd tell the OP's neighbor to go pi$$ up a rope unless the neighbor wants to pay the property taxes. As long as it's not against the law what one does on ones own property should be their own business
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:29 PM   #14
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if legal and the neighbor is a butt.... then i would consider the subsonic round way underpowered and resort to the trusty 'ol 8mm mag (with muzzle break). those yotes can be tough 'lil critters.
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Old 08-08-2011, 09:56 PM   #15
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really piss em off, get a AR or AK and dump a 30 rd. mag on each coyote.
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:02 PM   #16
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One of my neighbors has a few chickens in her back yard, and one got killed by a coyote last night. So she says she's ok with the noise from now on . I went to the other neighbor to let him know what the first had said, and he told me that his mom was having health issues, so they are moving to GA. Problem solved it seems! Thanks for the suggestions!
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:40 PM   #17
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One of my neighbors has a few chickens in her back yard, and one got killed by a coyote last night. So she says she's ok with the noise from now on .
Funny how that happens, isn't it?
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:47 AM   #18
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My neighbour used to sook about the gun noise until i sooked about their parties, so they like to have their parties still and i still practice in my yard, .
I was also on out boundary today and looked at all the pig diggings there and i know there not coming in from my side of the fence, so ill shoot them again when i see them.
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Old 08-19-2011, 09:32 PM   #19
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As long as your legal, its their problum. I understand trying to get along with your neighbors but if they are complaining about something that your perfectly LEGALLY allowed to do on your own land then thats their problum not yours.
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:28 PM   #20
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If you reload or can get someone to help you-load up some subsonic 223s. 40-55 gr. You can use Trailboss powder. Check the Hodgdon site for info.

Ends up being like a 22 mag-good on coyotes to about 100 yds.
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