which is the beter varmint gun

seagullslayer1 · 12-17-2005, 11:53 AM

im debating between a mini 14 and a cz 527 i think. i know i know i jump aound alot but i dont want to rush in and get a bum deal ive been reading reviews on both and theyre prety good but do i want a .223 or a .204 ruger

ash · 12-17-2005, 11:57 AM

I'd recommend the .223

harv3589 · 12-17-2005, 01:13 PM

I am new to the site here, but have poked around a few times reading and learning what you guys have to say am I am very impressed.

Anyways I just got myself a Ruger #1 varmit in the 22-250 and love it, shoots nice and I think it should work great for coyotes and wolves here in Alberta. Again the only down fall is that it is heavy.

BattleRifleG3 · 12-17-2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by seagullslayer1

im debating between a mini 14 and a cz 527 i think. i know i know i jump aound alot but i dont want to rush in and get a bum deal ive been reading reviews on both and theyre prety good but do i want a .223 or a .204 ruger

Mind saying what your past firearm experience is? That might tell what is better at this point. There are a lot of features of the various options to understand or not, many of which affect price and value.

Jumping around tends to indicate wanting a new gun over having a specific use for a gun. That or constantly learning more and more new things about what's out there and how they work, in which case it's good to really let it sink in and try to understand as much as you can.

I'm telling ya, you shouldn't group the Mini-14 in with any of the bolt actions. If you're not sure which, really try to decide what you expect to use it for and how.

For example, unless you'll be carrying it around in the woods, I'd highly recommend a bull barrel for best accuracy and lowest recoil. If you expect to rapidly reload and fire again under pressure, ie on running game, you want something with a decent extractor and ejector. Either a Mauser type like a Ruger, CZ, or Win M70, or a lever-claw like a Weatherby Vanguard. If you want ultimate accuracy at minimal price, Savage/Stevens is probably the best call, but you sacrifice mag reliability in some models. If you want good reliability, good accuracy, and maximum strength, Remington 700 or 7 are probably the best options.

seagullslayer1 · 12-17-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

Mind saying what your past firearm experience is? That might tell what is better at this point. There are a lot of features of the various options to understand or not, many of which affect price and value.
Jumping around tends to indicate wanting a new gun over having a specific use for a gun. That or constantly learning more and more new things about what's out there and how they work, in which case it's good to really let it sink in and try to understand as much as you can.
I'm telling ya, you shouldn't group the Mini-14 in with any of the bolt actions. If you're not sure which, really try to decide what you expect to use it for and how.
For example, unless you'll be carrying it around in the woods, I'd highly recommend a bull barrel for best accuracy and lowest recoil. If you expect to rapidly reload and fire again under pressure, ie on running game, you want something with a decent extractor and ejector. Either a Mauser type like a Ruger, CZ, or Win M70, or a lever-claw like a Weatherby Vanguard. If you want ultimate accuracy at minimal price, Savage/Stevens is probably the best call, but you sacrifice mag reliability in some models. If you want good reliability, good accuracy, and maximum strength, Remington 700 or 7 are probably the best options.

just varminting plinking and target practice idont think im goin with a mini 14 anymore its definitly got to have a longer barel than 18 in. i THINK ive narowed it down to CZ-USA or a tikka. both are realy nice and light

BattleRifleG3 · 12-17-2005, 07:00 PM

With a bolt action, the action isn't as long as a semi-auto. That way you can have a longer barrel on a gun the same size and probably lighter.

seagullslayer1 · 12-17-2005, 07:05 PM

ok back to that walmart package its a winchester model 70 wssm it comes with a good scope (cant remember name) and its about $440 at my store so whatcha think guys

heres a linkl http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=2685333

and i apreciate everyone putin up with so many of my questions

NRAJOE · 12-18-2005, 01:38 AM

Satan shops at Walmart...

myarmor · 12-18-2005, 01:49 AM

Want a dead serious Varmint caliber-and you reload?- the 220 Swift is still king. If you want a good varmint caliber with cheap ammo-223 is choice.
22-250 is awesome no doubt about it. But factory loads are still high in my book.
The new 204 Ruger has shown amazing accuracy as well and great BC. It's still new, and factory loads are costly.
Just depends on the seriousness you want to put up. If you reload..220 Swift-Hands down!

Dale · 12-18-2005, 09:16 AM

I ran a few more rounds through my Savage 12BVSS yesterday after a good scrubbing and I have to say the magazine on mine is not the problem I had early thought. I think the issue was cleaning it and oiling it and letting it wear it some.

I was only able to shoot at 75 yards but, even with that, I shot one ten round volley at a life size outline of a prairie dog and all but one round was in the kill ring.

I am impressed with the gun and the .22-250 round.

My buddy went along to sight in a new scope of his and I gave him the chance to also shoot the Savage and he is STILL raving about the accutrigger (which I have set at around 2.4 pounds according to my pull).

What I haven't told y'all is that I was thinking...emphasis on thinking...of ordering the 12BVSS from Wal-Mart for the tune of $616 or so but Sportsman's Warehouse in Phoenix beat their price by nearly $50 (inlcuding tax considerations).

I realize that there are several makers of fine .22-250 rifles out there but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Savage and I would encourage everyone to consider the Savage line when buying.

BattleRifleG3 · 12-19-2005, 01:41 AM

Wal Mart keeps its own records of firearm purchasers in addition to the legally required ones. Their higher management inspects them. This is a very big reason not to shop at Wal Mart. They can sell guns on one hand and sell your info with the other. HCI, VPC and the like would sure love to have a registry in their hands, even if illegal.

Reasons to buy only from stores that fully support RKBA, not just have trumping up a few pro-sportsman activities.

JAMES · 12-22-2005, 09:31 PM

Buy the Winchester .223. Ditch the avatar.

mark8252 · 01-13-2006, 11:31 PM

Definitely a 223 in any known brand name. Cheap ammo is very important if you plan on having fun and using the rifle very much.

motergraderman · 01-30-2006, 11:27 AM

22 hornet

UKFoxHunter · 02-01-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

Wal Mart keeps its own records of firearm purchasers in addition to the legally required ones. Their higher management inspects them. This is a very big reason not to shop at Wal Mart. They can sell guns on one hand and sell your info with the other. HCI, VPC and the like would sure love to have a registry in their hands, even if illegal.
Reasons to buy only from stores that fully support RKBA, not just have trumping up a few pro-sportsman activities.

Are you saying you can purchase Guns rfom Wal Mart in the states. ASDA in the UK. Surely you cant pick them up from supermarkets lol...

silentknight · 02-01-2006, 05:13 PM

Yup, most Wal-Marts here sell rifles and shotguns

Joey l mur · 02-24-2006, 07:32 PM

I use a Cooy model #60 side mount scope and I fill my chuck chilly pot every time. The Red Bellyed Marmut is a tough brute to drop so it is a head shot every time. In my aeria I can get close to the little buggers so somthing larger is a bit of an over kill. I use my Cooy for every thing up to a fox coon scunk but if you cannot get within 100 yards a 22 hornet to a 22-50 is your tast Browning has the best warenty a frend of mine called them and no sooner did he complain they were at his door.:drink:

mark8252 · 06-05-2006, 12:34 AM

I like 223 and 223 WSSM. The 223 WSSM is a Browning A-Bolt. The 223 is a Bushmaster AR-15. Both great firearms for varmints. The difference is flat distance shooting or cheap shells. Both are fun guns.

Ach Du Liebe · 06-05-2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by UKFoxHunter

Are you saying you can purchase Guns rfom Wal Mart in the states. ASDA in the UK. Surely you cant pick them up from supermarkets lol...

yes, Europe does suck. I just like das Deutsche Sprache und das Essen.

Aligater · 06-16-2006, 06:24 AM

If you want accuracy, don't fool around. You can still get a Sako .222. Try to find one made in the 1960's with Bofors Steel.

12-17-2005, 07:00 PM	#26
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,468 Images: 13	With a bolt action, the action isn't as long as a semi-auto. That way you can have a longer barrel on a gun the same size and probably lighter. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

12-17-2005, 07:05 PM	#27
seagullslayer1 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 24	ok back to that walmart package its a winchester model 70 wssm it comes with a good scope (cant remember name) and its about $440 at my store so whatcha think guys heres a linkl http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=2685333 and i apreciate everyone putin up with so many of my questions Last edited by seagullslayer1; 12-17-2005 at 07:34 PM.

12-18-2005, 09:16 AM	#30
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	I ran a few more rounds through my Savage 12BVSS yesterday after a good scrubbing and I have to say the magazine on mine is not the problem I had early thought. I think the issue was cleaning it and oiling it and letting it wear it some. I was only able to shoot at 75 yards but, even with that, I shot one ten round volley at a life size outline of a prairie dog and all but one round was in the kill ring. I am impressed with the gun and the .22-250 round. My buddy went along to sight in a new scope of his and I gave him the chance to also shoot the Savage and he is STILL raving about the accutrigger (which I have set at around 2.4 pounds according to my pull). What I haven't told y'all is that I was thinking...emphasis on thinking...of ordering the 12BVSS from Wal-Mart for the tune of $616 or so but Sportsman's Warehouse in Phoenix beat their price by nearly $50 (inlcuding tax considerations). I realize that there are several makers of fine .22-250 rifles out there but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Savage and I would encourage everyone to consider the Savage line when buying. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

12-19-2005, 01:41 AM	#31
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,468 Images: 13	Wal Mart keeps its own records of firearm purchasers in addition to the legally required ones. Their higher management inspects them. This is a very big reason not to shop at Wal Mart. They can sell guns on one hand and sell your info with the other. HCI, VPC and the like would sure love to have a registry in their hands, even if illegal. Reasons to buy only from stores that fully support RKBA, not just have trumping up a few pro-sportsman activities. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

01-13-2006, 11:31 PM	#33
mark8252 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 181	Best Choice in my opinion Definitely a 223 in any known brand name. Cheap ammo is very important if you plan on having fun and using the rifle very much.

12-17-2005, 11:53 AM	#21
seagullslayer1 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 24	im debating between a mini 14 and a cz 527 i think. i know i know i jump aound alot but i dont want to rush in and get a bum deal ive been reading reviews on both and theyre prety good but do i want a .223 or a .204 ruger

12-17-2005, 11:57 AM	#22
ash Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: En route Posts: 934 Images: 3	I'd recommend the .223

12-17-2005, 01:13 PM	#23
harv3589 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Okotoks, Alberta Posts: 1	I am new to the site here, but have poked around a few times reading and learning what you guys have to say am I am very impressed. Anyways I just got myself a Ruger #1 varmit in the 22-250 and love it, shoots nice and I think it should work great for coyotes and wolves here in Alberta. Again the only down fall is that it is heavy.

12-18-2005, 01:38 AM	#28
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,255 Images: 3	Satan shops at Walmart...

12-18-2005, 01:49 AM	#29
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,147	Want a dead serious Varmint caliber-and you reload?- the 220 Swift is still king. If you want a good varmint caliber with cheap ammo-223 is choice. 22-250 is awesome no doubt about it. But factory loads are still high in my book. The new 204 Ruger has shown amazing accuracy as well and great BC. It's still new, and factory loads are costly. Just depends on the seriousness you want to put up. If you reload..220 Swift-Hands down!

12-22-2005, 09:31 PM	#32
JAMES Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: OKLAHOMA Posts: 575	Buy the Winchester .223. Ditch the avatar.

01-30-2006, 11:27 AM	#34
motergraderman Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 10	22 hornet

02-01-2006, 05:13 PM	#36
silentknight Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,125 Images: 3	Yup, most Wal-Marts here sell rifles and shotguns __________________ Sic Vis Pacem Parabellum

02-24-2006, 07:32 PM	#37
Joey l mur Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 337 Images: 1	22 long rifle I use a Cooy model #60 side mount scope and I fill my chuck chilly pot every time. The Red Bellyed Marmut is a tough brute to drop so it is a head shot every time. In my aeria I can get close to the little buggers so somthing larger is a bit of an over kill. I use my Cooy for every thing up to a fox coon scunk but if you cannot get within 100 yards a 22 hornet to a 22-50 is your tast Browning has the best warenty a frend of mine called them and no sooner did he complain they were at his door.:drink:

06-05-2006, 12:34 AM	#38
mark8252 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 181	I like 223 and 223 WSSM. The 223 WSSM is a Browning A-Bolt. The 223 is a Bushmaster AR-15. Both great firearms for varmints. The difference is flat distance shooting or cheap shells. Both are fun guns.

06-16-2006, 06:24 AM	#40
Aligater Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 15	Never Settle For Less Than The Best If you want accuracy, don't fool around. You can still get a Sako .222. Try to find one made in the 1960's with Bofors Steel.