long range varmint rifle

mosin_sniper · 05-09-2006, 02:40 AM

hey guys. since you guys have been so helpful with some of my other questions, i thought i might ask you for your opinions on a project i am thinking about undertaking over the next year. i had been thinking about setting up a long range target/varmint rifle. now i know that there are plenty of such quality rifles to be bought on the market already, but i thought that building up the system myself would give it the personal value that you can only get when you do something yourself.

here's what i'm thinking so far:

1. i'd like the base to be modifiable from the beginning

2. the caliber i choose needs to be able to be effective against small vermin (woodchuck, hare, squirrel) and still be able to produce effective results to larger predators (coyotes, ferel dogs, the IRS guys...just kidding)

3. maximum effective range should be at least 400 yards

As of right now, those are some things i am considering for this project. if you have any input, i would certainly appriciate it.

lefty o · 05-09-2006, 11:50 AM

a scoped heavy barrel AR15.

silentknight · 05-09-2006, 12:59 PM

Midwayusa.com has plenty of stuff for building guns from the ground up. You can get Remington 700 actions, Mauser actions, etc. They also offer any kind of barrel or stock that you can think of. No offense to Lefty O, but I'd go with a bolt action for longer range use

at4rxj · 05-09-2006, 01:43 PM

I agree with the heavy barrel AR.

Olympic Arms makes an upper in 223/243/25 WSSM... From what I've been reading, that 243 WSSM is a heck of a round. It has a nice flat trajectory, good hitting power, and a .223 20 round mag holds 7 rounds of it. Not bad.

The regular .223 would be alright too, but at longer ranges the 243wssm would retain a lot more hitting power.

Sav .250 · 05-09-2006, 03:24 PM

What ever you end up with make sure you get a really good quality scope
with enough power to see those little varmits with. No matter what cal you chose if you don`t scope it properly you`ll be sorry, IMO.

Otter · 05-09-2006, 06:32 PM

Savage with Accu-trigger in 22-250 should reach out and touch those vermin.

"Life is too important to be taken seriously."

Ach Du Liebe · 05-10-2006, 01:33 AM

get an AR in .223 from there you can shoot and hit any varmint out there.

toadnose · 05-10-2006, 11:16 AM

25/06 goo for 800 900 yards

Deersniper · 05-10-2006, 04:17 PM

Check out the Les Baer 204 Ruger AR in On Target magazine Feb/Mar. With a Leapold 6.5-20x40mm, its a sweet AR in 204! At 4243 fps@1280 ft lbs. Drops 29" @ 500yds. Thats compared to 39" with the 223. If i got a my first AR, this would be it. Sod rats beware!

Wildfowler · 05-10-2006, 04:20 PM

I use a 22 LR and a HMR 17, they seem to do the job!
Wildfowler

Deersniper · 06-07-2006, 02:39 AM

Broke mine in today. Wow! 1/4 clover leafs at 50, 3/4 to 1" at 100, rang the steel at 225 yds. Federal champs. IRON SIGHTS! Hope the scope doesn't mess it up. Priced $221.00 @ Walmart, cheapest most accurate small game getter. Can't hear it over 1/4 mile. It's a 22 laser!

utahvarminter · 09-09-2006, 06:49 PM

Buy a standard Rem 700 SPS/BDL/ADL in 22-250, buy an after market barrel (fluted, heavy contour), Get a new stock from McMillian or Hogue, get a scope from Leupold (Mark IV series). than get a bipod. Voila.

Vintovki · 09-09-2006, 07:35 PM

Get a Remingtom 700 or a Savage 110 in .22-250 and you will be amazed

Dale · 09-09-2006, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter

Savage with Accu-trigger in 22-250 should reach out and touch those vermin.
"Life is too important to be taken seriously."

That's what I have and it's already proved it's worthiness.

killer · 09-09-2006, 09:08 PM

The original post is pretty much what I wanted too:

1) modifiable
2) effective against small vermin and larger predators
3) effective range at least 400 yards (300 yards enough for me)

I have several .223 and feel quite good with them out to 250 yards before accuracy seems to be effected by wind, and running out of steam.

So I bought a Rem 700 Sendero (bull barrel) in 25-06 caliber. Replaced the stock with Choate sniper stock and timney trigger. Currently have Schmidt and Bender fixed X8 scope on it. Was hoping to make it a 300 yard crow popper but just can't find the right "light" bullet yet. I've settled on the Hornandy 120 grain for coyote, & ocassional deer but the small varmint bullet evading me. Really wanted the Sierra 90 gr BT to work and kept working up loads to no avail. Just could not get under the magic 1" group. The answer might be in the 100 grain bullet.

I'm going to keep reloading the 25-06. Somewhere out there is the right combination of bullet, powder, primer, brass. I just haven't found it yet.
The 120 gr will shoot all day into 1.25" at 100 yards without flyers but that ain't no 300 yard crow buster. My .223's can shoot that all day at 200 yards.

kthomas · 09-10-2006, 01:06 AM

A fun project that suits your needs is to buy a .308 remington 700 and changing the stock, barrel etc. so it is a m40.

frozentorso · 09-12-2006, 11:33 PM

I'm selling my Model 70 featherweight 243WSSM in favor of my AR because I'm not very happy with the Winchester. That fat cartridge just doesnt want to feed right, maybe just my gun. The WSSM is !!!! on wheels, though. I've gotta get one of the Olympic Arms 243WSSM uppers! The 243WSSM comes in 55,95, and 100 grainers, so maybe O.A. will have the right twist in their barrel for the heavier ones.

myarmor · 09-13-2006, 12:15 AM

Personally for a strictly Varmint setup like what your looking into, I would go for a 220 Swift. Savages actions are easy enough to work with, and cheaper too. For the $$ building on a Savage action is very worthwhile, and well worth the time.
MidwayUSA - Adams & Bennett Barrel Savage 110 Series 220 Swift Varmint Contour 1 in 14" Twist 24" Chrome Moly Blue

Though a good Remington 700 would be my choice if I were to put the money into it. Just my 2cents.
26" Long Barrel Blanks at MidwayUSA

jrhm16 · 09-14-2006, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosin_sniper

hey guys. since you guys have been so helpful with some of my other questions, i thought i might ask you for your opinions on a project i am thinking about undertaking over the next year. i had been thinking about setting up a long range target/varmint rifle. now i know that there are plenty of such quality rifles to be bought on the market already, but i thought that building up the system myself would give it the personal value that you can only get when you do something yourself.

here's what i'm thinking so far:

1. i'd like the base to be modifiable from the beginning

2. the caliber i choose needs to be able to be effective against small vermin (woodchuck, hare, squirrel) and still be able to produce effective results to larger predators (coyotes, ferel dogs, the IRS guys...just kidding)

3. maximum effective range should be at least 400 yards

As of right now, those are some things i am considering for this project. if you have any input, i would certainly appriciate it.

i have a bush master varmiter that will shoot quarter inch groups at 100 and av-match carbine that will shoot inch groups consistantly.check them out,they are my favorite ar type rifles. i sold my colt

tiredcj6 · 09-20-2006, 03:45 AM

I love my browning 22-250. makes every shot i wanted to make with it so far. the bolt is smooth. Dang all this talk i'm going to the range in the morning. cough cough i think i better call in sick..

05-09-2006, 02:40 AM	#1
mosin_sniper Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5	long range varmint rifle hey guys. since you guys have been so helpful with some of my other questions, i thought i might ask you for your opinions on a project i am thinking about undertaking over the next year. i had been thinking about setting up a long range target/varmint rifle. now i know that there are plenty of such quality rifles to be bought on the market already, but i thought that building up the system myself would give it the personal value that you can only get when you do something yourself. here's what i'm thinking so far: 1. i'd like the base to be modifiable from the beginning 2. the caliber i choose needs to be able to be effective against small vermin (woodchuck, hare, squirrel) and still be able to produce effective results to larger predators (coyotes, ferel dogs, the IRS guys...just kidding) 3. maximum effective range should be at least 400 yards As of right now, those are some things i am considering for this project. if you have any input, i would certainly appriciate it.

05-09-2006, 12:59 PM	#3
silentknight Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,125 Images: 3	Midwayusa.com has plenty of stuff for building guns from the ground up. You can get Remington 700 actions, Mauser actions, etc. They also offer any kind of barrel or stock that you can think of. No offense to Lefty O, but I'd go with a bolt action for longer range use __________________ Sic Vis Pacem Parabellum

05-09-2006, 06:32 PM	#6
Otter Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 981 Images: 6	Savage with Accu-trigger in 22-250 should reach out and touch those vermin. "Life is too important to be taken seriously." __________________ Life is too important to be taken seriously.

05-10-2006, 04:20 PM	#10
Wildfowler Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 21	I use a 22 LR and a HMR 17, they seem to do the job! Wildfowler __________________ Wildfowler "What's hit is history, What's missed is a mystery?"

06-07-2006, 02:39 AM	#11
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,923	Cz 452 2e Zkm .22 Lr Broke mine in today. Wow! 1/4 clover leafs at 50, 3/4 to 1" at 100, rang the steel at 225 yds. Federal champs. IRON SIGHTS! Hope the scope doesn't mess it up. Priced $221.00 @ Walmart, cheapest most accurate small game getter. Can't hear it over 1/4 mile. It's a 22 laser!

05-09-2006, 11:50 AM	#2
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,111	a scoped heavy barrel AR15.

05-09-2006, 01:43 PM	#4
at4rxj Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 872 Images: 10	I agree with the heavy barrel AR. Olympic Arms makes an upper in 223/243/25 WSSM... From what I've been reading, that 243 WSSM is a heck of a round. It has a nice flat trajectory, good hitting power, and a .223 20 round mag holds 7 rounds of it. Not bad. The regular .223 would be alright too, but at longer ranges the 243wssm would retain a lot more hitting power.

05-09-2006, 03:24 PM	#5
Sav .250 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Central Fla. Posts: 176	What ever you end up with make sure you get a really good quality scope with enough power to see those little varmits with. No matter what cal you chose if you don`t scope it properly you`ll be sorry, IMO.

05-10-2006, 01:33 AM	#7
Ach Du Liebe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pasco, Washington Posts: 166	get an AR in .223 from there you can shoot and hit any varmint out there.

05-10-2006, 11:16 AM	#8
toadnose Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2	25/06 goo for 800 900 yards

05-10-2006, 04:17 PM	#9
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,923	Check out the Les Baer 204 Ruger AR in On Target magazine Feb/Mar. With a Leapold 6.5-20x40mm, its a sweet AR in 204! At 4243 fps@1280 ft lbs. Drops 29" @ 500yds. Thats compared to 39" with the 223. If i got a my first AR, this would be it. Sod rats beware!

09-09-2006, 06:49 PM	#12
utahvarminter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Utah Posts: 487	Buy a standard Rem 700 SPS/BDL/ADL in 22-250, buy an after market barrel (fluted, heavy contour), Get a new stock from McMillian or Hogue, get a scope from Leupold (Mark IV series). than get a bipod. Voila. __________________ My Photo Album

09-09-2006, 07:35 PM	#13
Vintovki Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 140 Images: 3	Get a Remingtom 700 or a Savage 110 in .22-250 and you will be amazed __________________ "Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." - Seneca

09-09-2006, 09:08 PM	#15
killer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In the rat race Posts: 928 Images: 6	The original post is pretty much what I wanted too: 1) modifiable 2) effective against small vermin and larger predators 3) effective range at least 400 yards (300 yards enough for me) I have several .223 and feel quite good with them out to 250 yards before accuracy seems to be effected by wind, and running out of steam. So I bought a Rem 700 Sendero (bull barrel) in 25-06 caliber. Replaced the stock with Choate sniper stock and timney trigger. Currently have Schmidt and Bender fixed X8 scope on it. Was hoping to make it a 300 yard crow popper but just can't find the right "light" bullet yet. I've settled on the Hornandy 120 grain for coyote, & ocassional deer but the small varmint bullet evading me. Really wanted the Sierra 90 gr BT to work and kept working up loads to no avail. Just could not get under the magic 1" group. The answer might be in the 100 grain bullet. I'm going to keep reloading the 25-06. Somewhere out there is the right combination of bullet, powder, primer, brass. I just haven't found it yet. The 120 gr will shoot all day into 1.25" at 100 yards without flyers but that ain't no 300 yard crow buster. My .223's can shoot that all day at 200 yards. __________________ "Yeee Hawww...I'm a cowboy on an iron horse." Killer's cabin: http://buckmountainchateau.com/

09-10-2006, 01:06 AM	#16
kthomas Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3	A fun project that suits your needs is to buy a .308 remington 700 and changing the stock, barrel etc. so it is a m40.

09-12-2006, 11:33 PM	#17
frozentorso Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North East Texas Posts: 593	I'm selling my Model 70 featherweight 243WSSM in favor of my AR because I'm not very happy with the Winchester. That fat cartridge just doesnt want to feed right, maybe just my gun. The WSSM is !!!! on wheels, though. I've gotta get one of the Olympic Arms 243WSSM uppers! The 243WSSM comes in 55,95, and 100 grainers, so maybe O.A. will have the right twist in their barrel for the heavier ones.

09-13-2006, 12:15 AM	#18
myarmor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southwest ,VA Posts: 1,147	Personally for a strictly Varmint setup like what your looking into, I would go for a 220 Swift. Savages actions are easy enough to work with, and cheaper too. For the $$ building on a Savage action is very worthwhile, and well worth the time. MidwayUSA - Adams & Bennett Barrel Savage 110 Series 220 Swift Varmint Contour 1 in 14" Twist 24" Chrome Moly Blue Though a good Remington 700 would be my choice if I were to put the money into it. Just my 2cents. 26" Long Barrel Blanks at MidwayUSA

09-20-2006, 03:45 AM	#20
tiredcj6 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alberta Canada Posts: 10	I love my browning 22-250. makes every shot i wanted to make with it so far. the bolt is smooth. Dang all this talk i'm going to the range in the morning. cough cough i think i better call in sick..