.22 caliber question

lefty o · 08-16-2006, 12:34 AM

while i am not the biggest fan of the little .223, it does fairly well out to about 500yds. after that the wind does tend to move them little bullets ALOT. my best kill with the .223 lasered 677yds, and have done some trying out a little past 800 with it but havent managed to connect out there. with a good scope, shooting past 400yds isnt to difficult.

killer · 08-16-2006, 04:33 PM

I've never gotten a laser for any of my guns.

Your just using a dot right? Or are you talking something else?

Do you attach a scope along with a laser for long distance rifle shooting?

canyonpopa · 08-16-2006, 06:31 PM

i do not feel any thing over 300 yds ,except , on a range is prudent. my experience is this, .223 (5.56 nato) either in a black or gray milatary wanna be or any good qual rifle with a good scope wiil kill any small game that would be prudent to shoot. plus you have all the mil. surplus.:guitar:

lefty o · 08-17-2006, 12:49 AM

laser range finder.

whats not prudent about shooting past 300yds?

joshco84 · 08-17-2006, 03:57 PM

im lucky on the girlfriend part, first off she makes as good of money as i do, and she doesnt care about hunting or the guns unless it interferes with finances.

frozentorso · 08-23-2006, 07:23 PM

Killer is a smart man. I keep as many gun cases in the closet and under the bed as I can, even if they are empty. She never opens them, so as long as I have an empty case, there will be no questions asked when a new one shows up(No, honey, David borrowed this one last February and just returned it). The old shell game.

As for the Super Shorts, I was looking for a coyote gun for here in Texas last winter. In the panhandle a 400yd shot is not unordinary. I'm kinda new to this, so after much research and advice I was !!!! bent on a Howa Varminter( I own 2 Lightnings) in 22-250. Then I saw the Winchester .243 WSSM. Super hot round, super flat shooting, and bullets of 55, 95, and 100 grns. Wow! I could take dear with it too! After I bought it reality set in. It shot 55 grainer's great. Plenty accurate and flat. But it shot 100 grainers high and outside, or low and inside, or way over there! I think this is due to the 1/10 twist and the super high velocity. Then the bolt got freaky. I had to force it open after some shots, which ruined follow-up shots. Then it decided not to feed! Cabellas said I wasnt the only one with this problem and has since sent it to Winchester for an autopsy. In the mean time, I bought a Bushmaster Predator .223 and love it. Thats what I should have done to begin with.

While I've heard praise for the .223 WSSM I would be leary of the super fat cartridge.
If I was to buy another SS it would be a Howa(I didnt know they made a WSSM, but love my Lightnings), or maybe the Browning with the chrome bore.
:assult:

joshco84 · 08-26-2006, 12:04 AM

my uncle is a big hunter a knows his guns really well. i have talked to him and he says that with a varmint round the 223 wssm is killer, but like with the 243 wssm if you get a very heavy bullet in it, it is not worth a hoot. after looking into it my personal opinion is this. The .223 wssm round is an excellent round with very good numbers. yes you do get the barrel wear associated with a hot !!! round and it can be hard to chamber in a bolt rifle due to the steep angle after the neck. i think that if a guy was to buy this in a single shot rifle and was a good shot it would be a good buy. with a 55 gr. (i believe is what the article used) bullet it is the fastest and straightest 22 caliber round available. but the pros and cons are there and i think the .223 rem is going to serve my purpose now and maybe the wssm down the road.

jerry · 08-26-2006, 07:34 AM

I started off with a 222, loved it. As far as high powered squirell guns go my 223 does everything I need it to.

yj11209 · 09-18-2006, 02:57 AM

The Ruger 10-22 is still the class of the bunch after all these years.

bigandrich44 · 09-23-2006, 09:55 AM

[quote=joshco84;257478](and i hate to brag in my own parenthesize but i can make a eight inch group at three hundred with a 7mm mag) girlfriend quote]

I'm sorry man, but that ain't braggin. I can print a 3 inch group at 350 yards with a 7mm. But I also go through 10,000 rounds a year practicing.............

Anyways, I think a .243 is the way to go. A good deer cartridge, it's not a poodlepopper like the .223, no offence, I just don't like the .223. It's just another fad that will die out soon enough. Also, it will take down yotes at 500 yards. Have fun, and shoot straight!

Cannonball · 10-20-2006, 02:32 AM

I sort of wonder where it costs so much more to load the .223 WSSM? Granted the brass is a lot higher, but the bullets are the same price and the most expensive element. Any one ever try casting zinc alloy bullets? Years ago some shooter was getting 5000+ fps with solid zinc alloy bullets out of a Swift.

I'm still 'cookin with a very old and tired .219 Wasp, so I'll stay out of the debate.

rdnckhnter · 10-20-2006, 08:55 AM

223 rem

John N · 12-05-2006, 09:38 PM

joshco84 u better get more than 1 greyhound the guys in anthony kansas use four hounds on 1 yote 8 dogs in there coyote wagen 4 on each side i have a h&r 223 i have seen my uncle shoot a yote 400 yards away with it smoked him 223 is the way to go to cheap not to unless u reload

D-squared · 12-07-2006, 08:23 AM

Out to 300 yds I go with the 223.
Out to 500 yds I go with the 6mm Rem.

rcortinas · 12-19-2006, 08:41 AM

Winchester Model 70 .223 WSSM. I own this rifle in the stainless heavy barrel model called the coyote. I love it. The only cons are if you use the 64 gr winchester ballistic tip accuracy drops. If you stick with 55 gr sp i get 1/2 group at 300 yds. Also as a gunsmith i believe the "barrel burner" label is exagerated. From what i have seen and from my own use if you keep your barrel clean after every 40-50 rounds on average you can get great barrel life. Most people will never shoot enough to burn your barrel out. I personly have fired over 3000 rounds from my rifle and have not lost any accuracy.

frozentorso · 12-21-2006, 10:57 PM

I've had a Classic Featherweight in .243 SS for about a year. At first I had some issues with it, but I think I've worked thru them. It shoots 55 gr and 100 gr bullets well. This deer season it became my rifle of choice. It's gunned down white tail's, muley's, one BIG yote, and a bunch of hog's. The barrell's not chromed, so I'll just keep it clean.

maarten221 · 12-26-2006, 01:18 PM

.223 Rem.
It's been around for 40 years+ and it works great from paper to yotes.
I know folks that have used it on anything from cats to deer without any issues. Know your limits and know your rifle/ammo - you'll do fine. The .223 REM will allow you to practice more than any other calibre (except .22lr). Make sure you get a rifle chambered in 5.56 NATO - that way you can shoot both the milsurp and commercial ammo.

08-16-2006, 04:33 PM	#22
killer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In the rat race Posts: 928 Images: 6	I've never gotten a laser for any of my guns. Your just using a dot right? Or are you talking something else? Do you attach a scope along with a laser for long distance rifle shooting? __________________ "Yeee Hawww...I'm a cowboy on an iron horse." Killer's cabin: http://buckmountainchateau.com/

08-16-2006, 06:31 PM	#23
canyonpopa Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2	22varmints i do not feel any thing over 300 yds ,except , on a range is prudent. my experience is this, .223 (5.56 nato) either in a black or gray milatary wanna be or any good qual rifle with a good scope wiil kill any small game that would be prudent to shoot. plus you have all the mil. surplus.:guitar:

08-26-2006, 07:34 AM	#28
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,213 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	I started off with a 222, loved it. As far as high powered squirell guns go my 223 does everything I need it to. __________________ Joe the plumber is screwed

10-20-2006, 08:55 AM	#32
rdnckhnter Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: pennsylvania and new jersey right on the bored Posts: 182	223 rem __________________ My long hair dont cover my redneck and u know what im ok with that

12-21-2006, 10:57 PM	#36
frozentorso Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North East Texas Posts: 593	I've had a Classic Featherweight in .243 SS for about a year. At first I had some issues with it, but I think I've worked thru them. It shoots 55 gr and 100 gr bullets well. This deer season it became my rifle of choice. It's gunned down white tail's, muley's, one BIG yote, and a bunch of hog's. The barrell's not chromed, so I'll just keep it clean. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry. Thats just my game!"

08-16-2006, 12:34 AM	#21
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,111	while i am not the biggest fan of the little .223, it does fairly well out to about 500yds. after that the wind does tend to move them little bullets ALOT. my best kill with the .223 lasered 677yds, and have done some trying out a little past 800 with it but havent managed to connect out there. with a good scope, shooting past 400yds isnt to difficult.

08-17-2006, 12:49 AM	#24
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,111	laser range finder. whats not prudent about shooting past 300yds?

08-17-2006, 03:57 PM	#25
joshco84 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wichita Kansas Posts: 24	im lucky on the girlfriend part, first off she makes as good of money as i do, and she doesnt care about hunting or the guns unless it interferes with finances.

08-23-2006, 07:23 PM	#26
frozentorso Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North East Texas Posts: 593	Killer is a smart man. I keep as many gun cases in the closet and under the bed as I can, even if they are empty. She never opens them, so as long as I have an empty case, there will be no questions asked when a new one shows up(No, honey, David borrowed this one last February and just returned it). The old shell game. As for the Super Shorts, I was looking for a coyote gun for here in Texas last winter. In the panhandle a 400yd shot is not unordinary. I'm kinda new to this, so after much research and advice I was !!!! bent on a Howa Varminter( I own 2 Lightnings) in 22-250. Then I saw the Winchester .243 WSSM. Super hot round, super flat shooting, and bullets of 55, 95, and 100 grns. Wow! I could take dear with it too! After I bought it reality set in. It shot 55 grainer's great. Plenty accurate and flat. But it shot 100 grainers high and outside, or low and inside, or way over there! I think this is due to the 1/10 twist and the super high velocity. Then the bolt got freaky. I had to force it open after some shots, which ruined follow-up shots. Then it decided not to feed! Cabellas said I wasnt the only one with this problem and has since sent it to Winchester for an autopsy. In the mean time, I bought a Bushmaster Predator .223 and love it. Thats what I should have done to begin with. While I've heard praise for the .223 WSSM I would be leary of the super fat cartridge. If I was to buy another SS it would be a Howa(I didnt know they made a WSSM, but love my Lightnings), or maybe the Browning with the chrome bore. :assult:

08-26-2006, 12:04 AM	#27
joshco84 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wichita Kansas Posts: 24	my uncle is a big hunter a knows his guns really well. i have talked to him and he says that with a varmint round the 223 wssm is killer, but like with the 243 wssm if you get a very heavy bullet in it, it is not worth a hoot. after looking into it my personal opinion is this. The .223 wssm round is an excellent round with very good numbers. yes you do get the barrel wear associated with a hot !!! round and it can be hard to chamber in a bolt rifle due to the steep angle after the neck. i think that if a guy was to buy this in a single shot rifle and was a good shot it would be a good buy. with a 55 gr. (i believe is what the article used) bullet it is the fastest and straightest 22 caliber round available. but the pros and cons are there and i think the .223 rem is going to serve my purpose now and maybe the wssm down the road.

09-18-2006, 02:57 AM	#29
yj11209 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2	The Ruger 10-22 is still the class of the bunch after all these years.

09-23-2006, 09:55 AM	#30
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013	[quote=joshco84;257478](and i hate to brag in my own parenthesize but i can make a eight inch group at three hundred with a 7mm mag) girlfriend quote] I'm sorry man, but that ain't braggin. I can print a 3 inch group at 350 yards with a 7mm. But I also go through 10,000 rounds a year practicing............. Anyways, I think a .243 is the way to go. A good deer cartridge, it's not a poodlepopper like the .223, no offence, I just don't like the .223. It's just another fad that will die out soon enough. Also, it will take down yotes at 500 yards. Have fun, and shoot straight!

10-20-2006, 02:32 AM	#31
Cannonball Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 7	I sort of wonder where it costs so much more to load the .223 WSSM? Granted the brass is a lot higher, but the bullets are the same price and the most expensive element. Any one ever try casting zinc alloy bullets? Years ago some shooter was getting 5000+ fps with solid zinc alloy bullets out of a Swift. I'm still 'cookin with a very old and tired .219 Wasp, so I'll stay out of the debate.

12-05-2006, 09:38 PM	#33
John N Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 12	joshco84 u better get more than 1 greyhound the guys in anthony kansas use four hounds on 1 yote 8 dogs in there coyote wagen 4 on each side i have a h&r 223 i have seen my uncle shoot a yote 400 yards away with it smoked him 223 is the way to go to cheap not to unless u reload

12-07-2006, 08:23 AM	#34
D-squared Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 11	Out to 300 yds I go with the 223. Out to 500 yds I go with the 6mm Rem.

12-19-2006, 08:41 AM	#35
rcortinas Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 29	Winchester Model 70 .223 WSSM. I own this rifle in the stainless heavy barrel model called the coyote. I love it. The only cons are if you use the 64 gr winchester ballistic tip accuracy drops. If you stick with 55 gr sp i get 1/2 group at 300 yds. Also as a gunsmith i believe the "barrel burner" label is exagerated. From what i have seen and from my own use if you keep your barrel clean after every 40-50 rounds on average you can get great barrel life. Most people will never shoot enough to burn your barrel out. I personly have fired over 3000 rounds from my rifle and have not lost any accuracy.

12-26-2006, 01:18 PM	#37
maarten221 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 218	.223 Rem. It's been around for 40 years+ and it works great from paper to yotes. I know folks that have used it on anything from cats to deer without any issues. Know your limits and know your rifle/ammo - you'll do fine. The .223 REM will allow you to practice more than any other calibre (except .22lr). Make sure you get a rifle chambered in 5.56 NATO - that way you can shoot both the milsurp and commercial ammo.