caliber advice

JacobBunner · 12-19-2006, 08:28 PM

I am a sissy when it comes to recoil. I have a 270 wsm with a muzzle brake. I still flinch and anticipate the recoil. I also have a muzzle loader and a slug gun. I have been told a good way to help cure this is to shoot alot with a 22lr. I am considering buying one, but i was also considering buying a rifle with a little more bite so it could also be used for coyotes. But the whole point is to cure my flinch. I am more of a hunter than a shooter. Advice?

chester12 · 12-20-2006, 11:33 AM

.243 Can be used on varmit, and can be used on deer. Living in Texas, I don't think that there is to much in the state that can not be taken with a .243. Some large exotics, or bison are about the only things.

single action · 12-20-2006, 02:44 PM

I agree with chester12, a 243 is a great combo gun. If you are wanting a rifle strictly for coyotes, I have had good success with a .223 for moderate ranges, and a .357 magnum carbine in brushy terrain. Neither mave much (if any) recoil that I can tell, and both will kill a coyote stone dead. I have also used both for whitetails successfully. Within each guns (and my own) limitations.

JacobBunner · 12-20-2006, 02:47 PM

what about a 22 hornet?

lefty o · 12-20-2006, 04:10 PM

223, cheap and no recoil.

JBS · 12-20-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JacobBunner

what about a 22 hornet?

I got a .22 Hornet a few years ago (Ruger).. It's fun to shoot and reload for, but if I had it to do all over again, I'd get a .223. Or even better, just dug out my .243 Winchester. But I had Newgunitis, and had to buy something. The Hornet is on the low side as far as power and distance is concerned. But, like I said, it's fun to shoot. JMHO

frozentorso · 12-21-2006, 10:47 PM

I would suggest you become more of a shooter than a hunter for awhile. Go shoot a hundred or so rounds thru it and you wont flinch anymore, you'll become a better shot, and you'll save mucho bucks. If you must buy another rifle, a .243 is very versatile with hardly any kick.

P.S. My .270 made me flinch too!

Plinker · 12-24-2006, 12:35 PM

Everytime holding my dads .270 I flinch.

lefty o · 12-24-2006, 01:01 PM

i'd also like to recommend to you flinchers, a good recoil pad. it can make a signifigant difference in how the recoil feels. most factory pads are too thin, and too hard. also shooting with a muzzle brake, use ear plugs and muffs- that loud noise can give a flinch just as bad or worse than from a hard recoiling rifle.

billy · 12-24-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by frozentorso

I would suggest you become more of a shooter than a hunter for awhile. Go shoot a hundred or so rounds thru it and you wont flinch anymore, you'll become a better shot, and you'll save mucho bucks. If you must buy another rifle, a .243 is very versatile with hardly any kick.

P.S. My .270 made me flinch too!

i agree , get a pile of ammo and tough it out you wont be a flincher forever. i barely notice the recoil with my 308win. because i fire my m44 and m38 ect quite a bit. just a thought...

maarten221 · 12-24-2006, 03:46 PM

I'm not much of a varmint hunter, but I would strongly suggest a .22lr due to the cost of ammunition.
Any cheaper and you'd go with a BB gun!
If you just have to have something bigger, go to a .223. It will do a number on varmints and deer, within range, of course.

.22guy · 12-24-2006, 06:41 PM

I would vote for .223 in centerfire or .17HMR in rimfire.

JacobBunner · 12-24-2006, 11:05 PM

what are the benefits of a 17 hmr or 17m2 over a 22lr? I really don't know, im not trying to get an argument started. Until recently, I only shot my centerfire or slug gun to check the zero before hunting. I would like to become a better shot.

Full MeTal Jack · 12-28-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JacobBunner

.... I still flinch ......but the whole point is to cure my flinch. ......... Advice?

Jacob, get yourself a cheap bolt .22 rifle. Then 500 rounds. Shoot it, Shoot all of it. Concentrate on trigger pull.
Then your 270WSM, dryfire it with spent case in it or a plastic practice bullet. When the boom surprises you, you did it right.
Shoot bud, shoot, then shoot some more.

Here is another exercise, spot for someone while they are shooting. Your blink at first but if you get close to line of fire you will be able to see bullet and vapor trail. Can't blink.

Give us an update later.

maarten221 · 12-29-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JacobBunner

what are the benefits of a 17 hmr or 17m2 over a 22lr? I really don't know, im not trying to get an argument started. Until recently, I only shot my centerfire or slug gun to check the zero before hunting. I would like to become a better shot.

17HMR - fast
17M2 - faster
.22lr - cheap

The .17's are super accurate and make things explode, but the .22lr is super cheap to buy and shoot. Plus, if you get something like a 10/22, all you need to do is get another barrel to shoot .17.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by Full MeTal Jack

Jacob, get yourself a cheap bolt .22 rifle. Then 500 rounds. Shoot it, Shoot all of it. Concentrate on trigger pull.
Then your 270WSM, dryfire it with spent case in it or a plastic practice bullet. When the boom surprises you, you did it right.
Shoot bud, shoot, then shoot some more.
Here is another exercise, spot for someone while they are shooting. Your blink at first but if you get close to line of fire you will be able to see bullet and vapor trail. Can't blink.
Give us an update later.

Good advise,
Since you have a .270 with pricey ammo now, think about getting a mosin nagant and a case of ammo. Keep shooting it till you get it right. If you can work the trigger on a MN and still shoot accurately, anything else will seem like a wonderful experience. If you go this route, get a 91/30 - the M38 and M44's will dislocate your shoulder after 80 rounds in one session.

JacobBunner · 12-29-2006, 08:48 PM

Ok, I took the advice of some of you and ordered a 10/22 in a stainless bull barrel. I am having some trouble deciding which scope to put on it. I want a silver one to match the barrel. I like pretty rifles.

Full MeTal Jack · 12-29-2006, 09:17 PM

Have fun and burn some ammo.
I've heard those are very accurate.
Cheers!

D-squared · 01-14-2007, 12:39 AM

Some might disagree with what I am going to suggest.
There could be two problems, one is the noise; the other, recoil. Learn to deal with the noise first, get a 223.
That muzzle break on the 270 is nasty when it comes to muzzle blast, go with ear plugs and headphones.
Once you master the 223, go find yourself one of those PAST Recoil shoulder pads, strap it on, double up on the hearing protection. Then go back to the 270 with the muzzle break REMOVED.
In addition, I would reduce the bullet weight from 130gr. Try one of the 100 to 110 gr loads.
Good Luck, Don

Lng Rng · 01-14-2007, 03:14 AM

the standard .17 HMR is faster than the Mach2. A .17 HMR is a necked down 22 mag, and the mach 2 is a necked down long rifle. .17's shoot faster, and flatter than a 22 or 22 mag. As far as becoming a better shot, all the .17's I have shot are very accurate, whith most rifles shooting MOA at 100 yards out of the box.

samuel · 01-14-2007, 07:17 AM

It is my opinion that if you dont practice proper procedure with a .22 or dry firing you are only practicing the bad habbits over again.I find I had to practice until all things were conditioned reflex and the only conscious thought I had was the target.There are numerous books on this and it just takes a lot of practice.Once I developed the proper procedure recoil ceased to be a problem.I have fired big firearms including the .600 nitro without flinching and when I fired them it was like a jilt but nothing terrible. samuel.

12-19-2006, 08:28 PM	#1
JacobBunner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6	caliber advice I am a sissy when it comes to recoil. I have a 270 wsm with a muzzle brake. I still flinch and anticipate the recoil. I also have a muzzle loader and a slug gun. I have been told a good way to help cure this is to shoot alot with a 22lr. I am considering buying one, but i was also considering buying a rifle with a little more bite so it could also be used for coyotes. But the whole point is to cure my flinch. I am more of a hunter than a shooter. Advice?

12-21-2006, 10:47 PM	#7
frozentorso Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North East Texas Posts: 593	I would suggest you become more of a shooter than a hunter for awhile. Go shoot a hundred or so rounds thru it and you wont flinch anymore, you'll become a better shot, and you'll save mucho bucks. If you must buy another rifle, a .243 is very versatile with hardly any kick. P.S. My .270 made me flinch too! __________________ "I'm your huckleberry. Thats just my game!"

12-29-2006, 09:17 PM	#17
Full MeTal Jack Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 1,473 Images: 5	Have fun and burn some ammo. I've heard those are very accurate. Cheers! __________________ [IMG]http://img287.echo.cx/img287/63/9130110x100a4vb.jpg

12-20-2006, 11:33 AM	#2
chester12 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 49	.243 Can be used on varmit, and can be used on deer. Living in Texas, I don't think that there is to much in the state that can not be taken with a .243. Some large exotics, or bison are about the only things.

12-20-2006, 02:44 PM	#3
single action Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 33	I agree with chester12, a 243 is a great combo gun. If you are wanting a rifle strictly for coyotes, I have had good success with a .223 for moderate ranges, and a .357 magnum carbine in brushy terrain. Neither mave much (if any) recoil that I can tell, and both will kill a coyote stone dead. I have also used both for whitetails successfully. Within each guns (and my own) limitations.

12-20-2006, 02:47 PM	#4
JacobBunner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6	what about a 22 hornet?

12-20-2006, 04:10 PM	#5
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,110	223, cheap and no recoil.

12-24-2006, 12:35 PM	#8
Plinker Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 19	Everytime holding my dads .270 I flinch.

12-24-2006, 01:01 PM	#9
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,110	i'd also like to recommend to you flinchers, a good recoil pad. it can make a signifigant difference in how the recoil feels. most factory pads are too thin, and too hard. also shooting with a muzzle brake, use ear plugs and muffs- that loud noise can give a flinch just as bad or worse than from a hard recoiling rifle.

12-24-2006, 03:46 PM	#11
maarten221 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 218	I'm not much of a varmint hunter, but I would strongly suggest a .22lr due to the cost of ammunition. Any cheaper and you'd go with a BB gun! If you just have to have something bigger, go to a .223. It will do a number on varmints and deer, within range, of course.

12-24-2006, 06:41 PM	#12
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,259	I would vote for .223 in centerfire or .17HMR in rimfire.

12-24-2006, 11:05 PM	#13
JacobBunner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6	what are the benefits of a 17 hmr or 17m2 over a 22lr? I really don't know, im not trying to get an argument started. Until recently, I only shot my centerfire or slug gun to check the zero before hunting. I would like to become a better shot.

12-29-2006, 08:48 PM	#16
JacobBunner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6	Ok, I took the advice of some of you and ordered a 10/22 in a stainless bull barrel. I am having some trouble deciding which scope to put on it. I want a silver one to match the barrel. I like pretty rifles.

01-14-2007, 12:39 AM	#18
D-squared Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 11	Some might disagree with what I am going to suggest. There could be two problems, one is the noise; the other, recoil. Learn to deal with the noise first, get a 223. That muzzle break on the 270 is nasty when it comes to muzzle blast, go with ear plugs and headphones. Once you master the 223, go find yourself one of those PAST Recoil shoulder pads, strap it on, double up on the hearing protection. Then go back to the 270 with the muzzle break REMOVED. In addition, I would reduce the bullet weight from 130gr. Try one of the 100 to 110 gr loads. Good Luck, Don

01-14-2007, 03:14 AM	#19
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 962	the standard .17 HMR is faster than the Mach2. A .17 HMR is a necked down 22 mag, and the mach 2 is a necked down long rifle. .17's shoot faster, and flatter than a 22 or 22 mag. As far as becoming a better shot, all the .17's I have shot are very accurate, whith most rifles shooting MOA at 100 yards out of the box.

01-14-2007, 07:17 AM	#20
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,237	It is my opinion that if you dont practice proper procedure with a .22 or dry firing you are only practicing the bad habbits over again.I find I had to practice until all things were conditioned reflex and the only conscious thought I had was the target.There are numerous books on this and it just takes a lot of practice.Once I developed the proper procedure recoil ceased to be a problem.I have fired big firearms including the .600 nitro without flinching and when I fired them it was like a jilt but nothing terrible. samuel.