Close range varmenting...

andrew cochran · 12-10-2007, 05:22 PM

Hey guys, I live in a "wooded neighborhood" The houses are about 100 to 200 yards apart. I have looked at the regulations and the will let you shoot "pest" on your own property.
I am over run with squrrels, rabbits, and armadilos. I know what i would usually shoot these with but in a close neighborhood what would you suggest. I was thinking cci .22 LR shotshell. But what do you guys think.

jmp8927 · 12-10-2007, 05:27 PM

Use a hollowpoint .22LR. With those you listed, it'll take care of them. Shotshell isn't powerful enough to kill much of anything and absolutely will not kill an armadillo. I know how the atmadilla's are. Were getting more of them around here and every now and then I walk around specifically to kill them. Luckily, they're about the only thing besides deer that we have an overpopulation of.

Lng Rng · 12-10-2007, 05:38 PM

Either a good pellet gun, such as a Gamo or RWS, or maybe a .22 with CB caps.
Have you checked your laws on what firearms are legal to use?

samuel · 12-10-2007, 05:38 PM

A H&R .410 shotgun.And talk to the neighbors and explain that the shot wont bounce..22lr,s bounce all over.Also an expensive air rifle isnt bad as the pellets are only 7gr and wont fly far. sam.

andrew cochran · 12-10-2007, 05:50 PM

I checked the laws on it. And as i said if you ask permission (i haven't done yet) They will let you hunt "pest" in hunting season. As long as you have a small game licenses. A .410 bore is a good Idea. Or if i get an air rife, i'll get a gamo viper express. As it uses #9 lead shot at 600 fps. But an air rifle won't work for an armidilo, a .410 might be better.

jmp8927 · 12-10-2007, 05:54 PM

If you're worried about the .22 bouncing(which I don't see happening if you hit what you're shooting at) use a subsonic round. That'll also help not disturb the neighbors.

samuel · 12-10-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jmp8927

If you're worried about the .22 bouncing(which I don't see happening if you hit what you're shooting at) use a subsonic round. That'll also help not disturb the neighbors.

This is a misbelief so many have,that as long as I hit my target the bullet will stop right there.This belief shows no experience and is dangerous.A bullet will fly as long as it has energy.If you have 150lbs energy and use 50lbs traversing the body of an animal you still have 100lbs making the bullet fly.If it hits the ground and riccochettes using 50lbs it still has 50lbs to hit the neighbor.He probably wont like it and may yell at you if he is alive. sam.

andrew cochran · 12-10-2007, 06:23 PM

No, he won't like it at all. I want something thats as quiet as possible, just to keep peace with the neighbors. I know the neighbor next to me will sometimes shoot a squrrel with a .22 LR (he really hates squrrels, he even bought a propane gun to scare them off his property, sounds like a shotgun going off, he finally relized it didn't work) But I don't know like sam said, it can bounce!
Oh, (they let you shoot here) one time i was shooting a muzzle loader (really bad idea, will never do again because of noise) and I was useing a really big tree for a backstop, Useing 2 50 grain pyrodex pellets a round ball bounced off the tree barely leaving a wound. It healed over in a year. But the ball went flying who knows how far. Will never do that again and i did it only once!

forestgleaner · 12-10-2007, 06:36 PM

You want to rid yourself of squirrels, you set some 110 conibear traps on small trees that are leaning. Best if the tree is dead, and the trap is wired to the top of the tree, and put a marshmellow just beyond it. The squirrel will die. You get rid of the squirrel, you get to keep the pelt, and the meat. Or you can always try a sling shot, with the small paint balls meant for them, they are a ball to shoot, and nothing is funnier than seeing a squirrel that looks like it has been tyedyed, lol.

andrew cochran · 12-10-2007, 06:38 PM

Well it's not just squrrels, buy thanks! Only problem if a cat will get in there you got trouble too. And I already tried the slingshot. Could not ever hit a one. I set up some paper targets and ah I never hit one!

frozentorso · 12-11-2007, 12:50 AM

I'd use a .22 short. Not much noise, and you can walk up on 'dillo's and shoot em execution style, aiming practically straight down.

toolman · 12-11-2007, 02:06 AM

Most times, you can just walk up and grab a 'Dillo by the tail. I've never understood why you'd want to as they're just about the most passive animal alive, but some guys are into that. Around here, we usually only kill rabbits, 'yotes, ground-squirrels, rattle-snakes, 'coons, and stuff worth eating. I do like rabbit, but only if they're cotton-tails or domestics.

Dookiebutt · 12-11-2007, 07:33 AM

It sounds like a great place to bow hunt. Where I hunt, one of my best stands is in an area of 5 acre residential lots. Sometimes the neighbors don't like animals dropping in their yards, but a cell phone call to the local PD to advise what I am doing, and I never had a probem . . . except once when I was with both the local chief of police and his brother, the chief from the next village. The landowner insisted she knew the chief and it wasn't him.

What kind of problems do armadillos cause?

jmp8927 · 12-11-2007, 07:53 AM

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This is a misbelief so many have,that as long as I hit my target the bullet will stop right there.This belief shows no experience and is dangerous.A bullet will fly as long as it has energy.If you have 150lbs energy and use 50lbs traversing the body of an animal you still have 100lbs making the bullet fly.If it hits the ground and riccochettes using 50lbs it still has 50lbs to hit the neighbor.He probably wont like it and may yell at you if he is alive. sam.

Never said the bullet would stop. But it will reduce the power significantly that there's no chance of it harming anyone. Remember, he said the houses are 100-200 yards apart. There is no way on earth a ricocheted .22 is going to travel that far before it hits dirt even if it doesn't hit anything.

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I'd use a .22 short. Not much noise, and you can walk up on 'dillo's and shoot em execution style, aiming practically straight down.

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Not the ones we have around here. They see human and they take off running. And for such a small fat little thing, they sure can run!

samuel · 12-11-2007, 08:25 AM

There is a big difference in the noise generated by firing one shot to kill one pest, and target practicing with multiple shots.Also one shot out of a .410 makes up for several bad shots from a .22 at short range. sam.

jmp8927:You can guarrantee that a bouncer doesnt have power enough to hurt someone?I saw a neighborkid shoot a rock with a .22lr when I was young and break a cows front leg 40yds away.We got in a little trouble for that one. sam.

andrew cochran · 12-11-2007, 12:23 PM

Not the ones we have around here. They see human and they take off running. And for such a small fat little thing, they sure can run![/quote]

I know the armadillos we have around here will run like mad when the see a human. And grab one! You got to be kidding, I'll have to make a quick shot or I won't hit one.

Idaho Dave · 12-11-2007, 12:52 PM

I have used 22 bird shot rounds to kill squirls, pidgens, rats, a couple pheasnats once, but you gotta be pretty close. I have never seen an armadillo. but I wish i could. can you really catch them with your hands? They just seem like they would be neat to have roming around, not that I wouldnt shoot them, they just look pretty cool to me. wish I could get one of you to mail me one

jmp8927 · 12-11-2007, 12:57 PM

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jmp8927:You can guarrantee that a bouncer doesnt have power enough to hurt someone?I saw a neighborkid shoot a rock with a .22lr when I was young and break a cows front leg 40yds away.We got in a little trouble for that one. sam.

There's a very significant difference between a rock and vegetation. Shooting a rock with a firearm is begging for a ricochet. With vegetation, whatever you hit will absorb a good bit of the energy from the bullet and limit how far it will ricochet. Using subsonic ammo with even less power will further reduce how far it will ricochet before falling to the ground. And even if it did got 40 yards(which won't happen unless you shooting something harder than the bullet), with nearest neighbors being 100 yards away, I think he's safe.

Haha, the only ones around here that can be picked up by hand are the dead ones! I just killed one a week or two back that was rooting around beside the house. Dog wouldn't stop barking and me not knowing what it was, I took my SKS instead of my .22. Needless to say he was VERY dead. Also killed a possum a month or so back because it was killing the chickens.

toolman · 12-11-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Idaho Dave

I have used 22 bird shot rounds to kill squirls, pidgens, rats, a couple pheasnats once, but you gotta be pretty close. I have never seen an armadillo. but I wish i could. can you really catch them with your hands? They just seem like they would be neat to have roming around, not that I wouldnt shoot them, they just look pretty cool to me. wish I could get one of you to mail me one

They're pretty cool little critters but they will root up your yard occasionally. I've heard that they can also be carriers for Leprosy but I've messed with them for years and no body parts have dropped off yet.

samuel · 12-11-2007, 01:26 PM

jmp8927:I just dont think it would be worth the risk on your word alone.Post some substanciated facts.From personal experience I know .22lr,s bounce and the slower they are going the more they bounce. sam.

12-10-2007, 05:22 PM	#1
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 2,331	Close range varmenting... Hey guys, I live in a "wooded neighborhood" The houses are about 100 to 200 yards apart. I have looked at the regulations and the will let you shoot "pest" on your own property. I am over run with squrrels, rabbits, and armadilos. I know what i would usually shoot these with but in a close neighborhood what would you suggest. I was thinking cci .22 LR shotshell. But what do you guys think.

12-10-2007, 05:27 PM	#2
jmp8927 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 1,222 Images: 17	Use a hollowpoint .22LR. With those you listed, it'll take care of them. Shotshell isn't powerful enough to kill much of anything and absolutely will not kill an armadillo. I know how the atmadilla's are. Were getting more of them around here and every now and then I walk around specifically to kill them. Luckily, they're about the only thing besides deer that we have an overpopulation of. __________________ Doing the unexpected makes the unexpected the expected and thus the expected becomes the unexpected.

12-10-2007, 05:54 PM	#6
jmp8927 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Walterboro, SC Posts: 1,222 Images: 17	If you're worried about the .22 bouncing(which I don't see happening if you hit what you're shooting at) use a subsonic round. That'll also help not disturb the neighbors. __________________ Doing the unexpected makes the unexpected the expected and thus the expected becomes the unexpected.

12-10-2007, 06:23 PM	#8
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 2,331	No, he won't like it at all. I want something thats as quiet as possible, just to keep peace with the neighbors. I know the neighbor next to me will sometimes shoot a squrrel with a .22 LR (he really hates squrrels, he even bought a propane gun to scare them off his property, sounds like a shotgun going off, he finally relized it didn't work) But I don't know like sam said, it can bounce! Oh, (they let you shoot here) one time i was shooting a muzzle loader (really bad idea, will never do again because of noise) and I was useing a really big tree for a backstop, Useing 2 50 grain pyrodex pellets a round ball bounced off the tree barely leaving a wound. It healed over in a year. But the ball went flying who knows how far. Will never do that again and i did it only once! Last edited by andrew cochran; 12-10-2007 at 06:27 PM.

12-11-2007, 12:50 AM	#11
frozentorso Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North East Texas Posts: 593	I'd use a .22 short. Not much noise, and you can walk up on 'dillo's and shoot em execution style, aiming practically straight down. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry. Thats just my game!"

12-10-2007, 05:38 PM	#3
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 962	Either a good pellet gun, such as a Gamo or RWS, or maybe a .22 with CB caps. Have you checked your laws on what firearms are legal to use?

12-10-2007, 05:38 PM	#4
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,237	A H&R .410 shotgun.And talk to the neighbors and explain that the shot wont bounce..22lr,s bounce all over.Also an expensive air rifle isnt bad as the pellets are only 7gr and wont fly far. sam.

12-10-2007, 05:50 PM	#5
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 2,331	I checked the laws on it. And as i said if you ask permission (i haven't done yet) They will let you hunt "pest" in hunting season. As long as you have a small game licenses. A .410 bore is a good Idea. Or if i get an air rife, i'll get a gamo viper express. As it uses #9 lead shot at 600 fps. But an air rifle won't work for an armidilo, a .410 might be better.

12-10-2007, 06:36 PM	#9
forestgleaner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 182	You want to rid yourself of squirrels, you set some 110 conibear traps on small trees that are leaning. Best if the tree is dead, and the trap is wired to the top of the tree, and put a marshmellow just beyond it. The squirrel will die. You get rid of the squirrel, you get to keep the pelt, and the meat. Or you can always try a sling shot, with the small paint balls meant for them, they are a ball to shoot, and nothing is funnier than seeing a squirrel that looks like it has been tyedyed, lol.

12-10-2007, 06:38 PM	#10
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 2,331	Well it's not just squrrels, buy thanks! Only problem if a cat will get in there you got trouble too. And I already tried the slingshot. Could not ever hit a one. I set up some paper targets and ah I never hit one!

12-11-2007, 02:06 AM	#12
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,864 Blog Entries: 24	Most times, you can just walk up and grab a 'Dillo by the tail. I've never understood why you'd want to as they're just about the most passive animal alive, but some guys are into that. Around here, we usually only kill rabbits, 'yotes, ground-squirrels, rattle-snakes, 'coons, and stuff worth eating. I do like rabbit, but only if they're cotton-tails or domestics. __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac!

12-11-2007, 07:33 AM	#13
Dookiebutt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: America's North Coast Posts: 1,304	It sounds like a great place to bow hunt. Where I hunt, one of my best stands is in an area of 5 acre residential lots. Sometimes the neighbors don't like animals dropping in their yards, but a cell phone call to the local PD to advise what I am doing, and I never had a probem . . . except once when I was with both the local chief of police and his brother, the chief from the next village. The landowner insisted she knew the chief and it wasn't him. What kind of problems do armadillos cause?

12-11-2007, 08:25 AM	#15
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,237	There is a big difference in the noise generated by firing one shot to kill one pest, and target practicing with multiple shots.Also one shot out of a .410 makes up for several bad shots from a .22 at short range. sam. jmp8927:You can guarrantee that a bouncer doesnt have power enough to hurt someone?I saw a neighborkid shoot a rock with a .22lr when I was young and break a cows front leg 40yds away.We got in a little trouble for that one. sam. Last edited by samuel; 12-11-2007 at 08:33 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-11-2007, 12:23 PM	#16
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 2,331	Not the ones we have around here. They see human and they take off running. And for such a small fat little thing, they sure can run![/quote] I know the armadillos we have around here will run like mad when the see a human. And grab one! You got to be kidding, I'll have to make a quick shot or I won't hit one. Last edited by andrew cochran; 12-11-2007 at 12:40 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-11-2007, 12:52 PM	#17
Idaho Dave Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 536	I have used 22 bird shot rounds to kill squirls, pidgens, rats, a couple pheasnats once, but you gotta be pretty close. I have never seen an armadillo. but I wish i could. can you really catch them with your hands? They just seem like they would be neat to have roming around, not that I wouldnt shoot them, they just look pretty cool to me. wish I could get one of you to mail me one __________________ Living the life Last edited by Idaho Dave; 12-11-2007 at 12:56 PM.

12-11-2007, 01:26 PM	#20
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,237	jmp8927:I just dont think it would be worth the risk on your word alone.Post some substanciated facts.From personal experience I know .22lr,s bounce and the slower they are going the more they bounce. sam.