25-06 or 223

[Lng Rng]

[lefty o]

LOL!!!!!!!

[slaughterhouse]

I was just replying to Samuels comment about my stupidity I didn't mean to start an argument. But hey since were here I wasn't even talkin to you Samuel so shut up. Hey lefty o what would you go with 22-250, 223, 243, 25-06

[irish murphy]

Originally Posted by slaughterhouse

I was just replying to Samuels comment about my stupidity I didn't mean to start an argument. But hey since were here I wasn't even talkin to you Samuel so shut up. Hey lefty o what would you go with 22-250, 223, 243, 25-06

You shoot rabbits at 800m?I would love to see that.You must be some sort of supershot.Do you wear your undies on the outside of your frilly little nickers?And do you have a cape?I want you to post a pic of yourself in your supershot costume.Or do you only wear it at home in the company of your trusty sidekick crapshot.

Get real man,i dont care what rifle you use,if you know that rifle you can put the shot in the right place and take the animal cleanly.And not at half a mile.More realistic range normal people can actually see at.I think you might have been watching to many videos of those fellas that shoot deer at 800yards.Too bad you will never be able to do it.By the way nice to meet you,looks like you will be a much loved and usefull member around here.Hahahahhahahaha

[Midas]

Originally Posted by slaughterhouse

and I'll out shoot his experiance any day of the year. He ain't that experianced if he thinks a 243 will out shoot a 22-250. and he started the low ball insults. One picture of a west virginian deer don't impress me AT ALL!

Please refrain from the low-ball insults on senior members with skill and experiance. Lefty-O is one of those members. He started the low ball insults

He ain't got that much experience if he thinks a 243 will out shoot 22-250. One Tiny little buck don't impress me at all. Go take your hunters safety course again.

If you intend to stay here, you may want to tone down your rhetoric. Maybe if your claims weren't so outrageous, you would get along better here. This is your only warning.

[killer]

Back to the original post. I own both caliber and in bull barrels. They are twins actually in Rem 700 configuration and sniper stocks. The .223 is the tack driver for the smaller stuff out to 200 yards while the 25-06 is the specialty rifle for night shooting and 300 yard coyote/fox.

I would say go with the 25-06 because of the bigger animals you'll be shooting (pig and roo). Plus I think where you are at you can get to actually make a long distance shot and see the full potential the 25-06 will give you with the wind. The rabbits can be head shot or lung shot for that matter since the ribs have little meat.

I'm attaching a fox and coyote hit with 25-06 Hornady 120 grain HP pumped to max.
This bullet does make a big exit wound depending on bone hit and stuff. I'm still looking for a lighter round in the 100 grain weight area but the gun has been very picky about what it likes.

Your coyote/fox sound gun smart if they are staying out of range. Bait hunting is what they need. Throw a dead roo carcass and or other stuff out for them year round and they will come. I actually setup a permanent blind I can sneak into without them hearing or seeing me approach. That's the advantage of bait, your can use the predominate wind, terrain, etcetera to your advantage. You can even set the carcass up in such a way to have the varmints stand broadside for you.

[win39]

Nice rig Killer. Have you ever tried the 87 Gr.Speer TNT HP or the 100 Gr. HP in your 25/06? I am a big fan of the Speer Bullets. I have had several guns in the 25/06 and they all seem to like these bullets backed by IMR 4831. They usually are very devastating.

[samuel]

Originally Posted by slaughterhouse

The 243 is an accurate round I ain't saying it ain't I own a 243 and 308 and 223 and I am saying it won't shoot 800 yards accuratly like most 22-250s will.

This shows that even the ignorant can post on here. sam.

[billy]

800 meters is REALLY REALLY far!
pace it off sometime.
you will wanna sit down.

at camp perry The 10 ring on 1000-yard targets is 20 inches in diameter.

[samuel]

Originally Posted by slaughterhouse

I was just replying to Samuels comment about my stupidity I didn't mean to start an argument. But hey since were here I wasn't even talkin to you Samuel so shut up. Hey lefty o what would you go with 22-250, 223, 243, 25-06

I never said you were stupid,I said most people didnt post on something they know nothing about.That is called ignorance,a lack of knowledge and education.If you want to class yourself as stupid,I wont try to change your opinion of yourself.I was going to post balistics to prove you wrong but I decided that would be compliminting ignorance.I dont care how much you insult me but I wish you would lay off the others.It just so happens that LeftyO,s posts can be verified if a person is capable of understanding what they read.I do it all the time,and he comes out right everytime. sam.

[killer]

Originally Posted by win39

Have you ever tried the 87 Gr.Speer TNT HP or the 100 Gr. HP in your 25/06?

I am still working on finding a good light bullet with it. I really wanted the Sierra 90 gr BTHP to work but it simply refused. I stuck about a year into it trying to make that one work. Then I simply went up in weight since I did want a good hunting round for deer too with it. I've taken 2 deer with the Hornady 120 gr round and it did good. And the rifle wanted it pumped to the max and hot which is what I wanted too.

The Speer 87 gr TNT is for sure on the list this summer because what I really wanted in the 25-06 was a 300 yard crow popper and or old yellow tooth munching on a road kill deer carcass 300 yards out thinking he's safe.

[win39]

The hunting pressure is really bad were I live, and if your deer runs ten to twenty yards you might loose it to someone else. The Speer 100 grain has worked really well for deer as far as dropping them in their tracks. The only problem is that the bullet is so soft that once inside it decinigrated and you loose a lot of meat. Now as far as varmints are concerned, I have used both the 87 and the 100 on groundhogs and it has left them standing for a few seconds without a head. I would hate to see what they would do on a rabbit.

[lefty o]

sorry, but BC plays a huge part when shooting long range. ever heard of wind drift. a 22 cal bullet with a hi for cal BC compared to a .243 bullet with high for cal BC, the 22 cal bullet will drift twice as far in a 10mph wind. trajectory is the easy part of distance shooting, judgin the wind is much harder, thats why the high BC bullets are better.
in comparison a 22cal 80gr bullet with a bc of .420(very high for a 22cal bullet) launched at3350fps will reach 1000yds with 1343fps remaining velocity , and in a 10mph crosswind will drift 93.6 inches. now a .243 cal bullet at 107gr with a BC of .527 (pretty good for a 243) launched at3300fps, will reach 1000yds with 1620fps remaining, and in the same 10mph crosswind will only drift 67.9". the .243 cal bullet , though launched at a slower velocity, will actually reach 1000yds before the 22 cal bullet with higher intial velocity. class is now in session. slaughterhouse, so far your failing.

[slaughterhouse]

I can even get the ballistics for a 22-250 against a 243 but like I said before my personal favorite was the 300 ultra mag 243 is not a good round here's your ballistics retardCartridge Information
Index NumberCartridge TypeWeight (grs.)Bullet StylePrimer No.Ballistic CoefficientPR300UM5Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded - Power Level III150Swift™ Scirocco™ Bonded9 1/2 M0.435R243W3Remington® Express®100Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt®9 1/20.356
Velocity (ft/sec)
Cartridge TypeBulletMuzzle100200300400500Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded - Power Level III150 SSB345032082980276225562358Remington® Express®100 PSP CL296026972449221519931786
Energy (ft-lbs)
Cartridge TypeBulletMuzzle100200300400500Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded - Power Level III150 SSB396434272956254121751852Remington® Express®100 PSP CL1945161513321089882708
Short-Range Trajectory
Cartridge TypeBullet50100150200250300Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded - Power Level III150 SSB0.00.3zero-1.2-3.4-6.7Remington® Express®100 PSP CL0.10.7zero-2.0-5.4-10.4
Long-Range Trajectory
Cartridge TypeBullet100150200250300400500Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded - Power Level III150 SSB1.72.11.5zero-2.6-11.2-25.3Remington® Express®100 PSP CL1.61.5zero-2.9-7.5-22.1-45.4

[samuel]

No wonder you are all confused! I got over it when I got my eyes uncrossed from looking at all of those 0,s.Maybe you can look away for a while and recover at least a little.You have my sympathy. sam.

[lefty o]

maybe, you might like to rewrite what you have in an understandable manner. you've not written anything understandable. oh, and mind who you call a retard little boy.

[Bravo]

The .243win is an amazing round, both for whitetail and for very long range bench shooting.

A lot of 1000 yard competitions have been won with a .243. I'd like to know how many were won with a 22-250.

The 22-250 shoots a bullet that weighs nearly half of what the .243. The result is a very fast initial velocity (great way to burn out a barrel), and a very fast negative acceleration...does the 22-250 even maintain supersonic speeds beyond 1000 meters? The .243 does...

Sorry slaughterhouse, but I agree with Sam and Lefty here, the .243 is very much superior to the 22-250. The 22-250 is a great varmint gun, but it's not in the same class as the .243.

Let me try this link..I'm trying to compare the 22-250 with the .243 in a manner that we can understand:

Remington.com - Products - Ammunition - Ballistics

[billy]

slaughterhouse
i just looked at all 15 of your posts since joining us at g&g .
6 of them were insults.
hmmmmmmmmm.......
btw lefty o and sam know a LOT!
they have both given me rock solid advice more times than they prolly care to remember.

[lefty o]

if you dont like being called little boy, little boy- maybe you should lay off on the retard comments, and old man comments. so far you have shown all the intellect of a 12year old boy, and if you contimue to act in that way, thats how i will treat you. ive tried to be nice, but soon my patience will run out.
as far as you charts, all they show is bullet drop, and that is only one small part of the equation. now ive tried to explain it in simple terms for you , but you seem to be in way over your head. go do some studying, and come back when you actually understand something about which you are speaking about. so what about a 300rum, stomping the 243, the discussion has been .243vs 22-250!

[lefty o]

delete your post????
anyhow, you know what you wrote, and this is my reply to that.