.30-06 for varmints?

bobvonb · 06-02-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by samuel

Things were getting dull til you came along.You have 170gr fmj,s hunh,shot a deer with an accellerator huh,tell us some more. sam.

do I detect a bit of skepticism or are you actually impressed, Sam? I can't tell sometimes with your posts.

Heck, I had a bunch of surplus mil ammo too and it was only good for practice or other things that didn't need expanding bullets. As far as the accelerator on deer, I am not in the camp that recommends 22s for deer size game, but there is quite a vocal crowd that touts the 22-250 and other 22s for deer so I defer final judgement. I don't see how the accelerator is any different. And anyway, the original author did say it wasn't his first choice, he had left his big expanders home.

Bob (trying to get a rise from Sam so I can get another data point)

samuel · 06-02-2009, 05:13 PM

No rise out of me,I believe all that is posted lately.Just never heard of a 170gr fmj for the military and while a accellerator might kill a deer,I would place the shot as very chancy.But I believe it all.,,,sam.

bobvonb · 06-02-2009, 05:45 PM

I guess I didn't take the 170gr FMJ literally. I assumed he meant either 168 or 169. One of those was the Match stuff I used, but it's been enough years that I can't remember which exactly, so close enough. He does make an argument for shot placement though.

gunney 1 · 10-19-2009, 09:54 PM

my cuz shot a yote with a 300win mag 180gr core lock behind the front sholder and very little pelt damaged so the 30-06 a ok.

petemi · 10-20-2009, 07:38 AM

I've run beagles for years, and coyotes are death on beagles. The nicest, best little bitch, Dixie, I ever had was killed by coyotes at about 8 months of age. I have killed coyotes with everything from .22s and shotguns to .45-70. The only important thing to me is the fact that they are dead. If I ruin a pelt or two, who cares. There'll be another one along. My favorite rifle for them is a .357 Maximum Handi rifle. It shoots eight interchangeable types of .38s, .357 Magnum, .360 Dan Wesson, and .357 Maximum. It's my truck gun on the farm and very versatile. I have a butt stock cartridge carrier on it with a nine round assortment of ammo to suit the occasion.

Pete

Cyrano · 10-20-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleankill47

Midas, thanks for the thought, but I don't think I could manage doing handloads, I'm not allowed powder and ammunition parts in the barracks...

125 grains sounds like a nice little compromise. I think I'll look into it...

Thanks again, guys.

Cleankill, why don't you go and talk to the armorer sergeant? Maybe you could work out some sort of a deal with him for you to store your reloading gear with him and do your handloading after hours or on weekends.

Cyrano · 10-20-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by gunney 1

my cuz shot a yote with a 300win mag 180gr core lock behind the front sholder and very little pelt damaged so the 30-06 a ok.

Puts me in mind of a joke from the Mosin Nagant Forum:

If you shoot a squirrel with an AR-15, you can have roast squirrel.

If you shoot a squirrel with an AK-47, there's usually enough left for squirrel stew.

If you shoot a squirrel with a Mosin Nagant - well, I think the tail's around here somewhere....

airgunhunter3 · 11-15-2009, 02:59 PM

If not using thier pelts then why not? With all the accelerator rounds out there a 110 grain holllowpoint would work great on yotes and foxes out to 200 yards.

samuel · 11-18-2009, 03:21 AM

A .308cal 110gr hp at 3200fps is not going to be too good for pelts,even at 200yds+. ,,,sam.

Tack Driver · 11-19-2009, 08:49 PM

I would think that a heavy, tough bullet such as a 180 grain elk load would cause the least pelt damage. They'll just sail right through without expanding. A 110 gr hollow point would fragment on impact and cause massive damage. That said, I would use the 110 gr bullet because I like to make coyotes explode, I don't care about the pelts.

R5CYA · 11-20-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyrano

Puts me in mind of a joke from the Mosin Nagant Forum:

If you shoot a squirrel with an AR-15, you can have roast squirrel.

If you shoot a squirrel with an AK-47, there's usually enough left for squirrel stew.

If you shoot a squirrel with a Mosin Nagant - well, I think the tail's around here somewhere....

LOL! and if you use an m44, any meat you do find, will be cooked already!

JASmith · 11-21-2009, 11:31 PM

Your dilemma seems to be that the 30-06 is an excellent cartridge for most big game, but you feel that using the '06 on small game is somehow a waste. As some of the previous posts have indicated, much depends on whether your varmint shooting includes recovery of pelts.

Having said that, you might want to consider a fast-twist .223 and 75-77 gr bullets. You'll be hard pressed to tell the difference in trajectory and wind drift between these and 180 gr bullets in the 30-06 as long as the barrel lengths an optics are the same.

99dragon99 · 11-25-2009, 12:36 PM

I just checked the Remington site. There is a 55gr Remington Express cartridge...

Remington.com - Products - Ammunition - Ballistics

That would be about right for varmints...

Tack Driver · 11-25-2009, 08:28 PM

I doubt if you can get any accuracy or consistency out of those .22 cal 55 gr Accelerator saboted loads.

G. Green · 11-25-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tack Driver

I would think that a heavy, tough bullet such as a 180 grain elk load would cause the least pelt damage. They'll just sail right through without expanding. A 110 gr hollow point would fragment on impact and cause massive damage. That said, I would use the 110 gr bullet because I like to make coyotes explode, I don't care about the pelts.

+1, Dittos!

10-19-2009, 09:54 PM	#64
gunney 1 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2	30-06 for varments my cuz shot a yote with a 300win mag 180gr core lock behind the front sholder and very little pelt damaged so the 30-06 a ok.

10-20-2009, 07:38 AM	#65
petemi Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Engadine, Upper Peninsula, MI Posts: 172	I've run beagles for years, and coyotes are death on beagles. The nicest, best little bitch, Dixie, I ever had was killed by coyotes at about 8 months of age. I have killed coyotes with everything from .22s and shotguns to .45-70. The only important thing to me is the fact that they are dead. If I ruin a pelt or two, who cares. There'll be another one along. My favorite rifle for them is a .357 Maximum Handi rifle. It shoots eight interchangeable types of .38s, .357 Magnum, .360 Dan Wesson, and .357 Maximum. It's my truck gun on the farm and very versatile. I have a butt stock cartridge carrier on it with a nine round assortment of ammo to suit the occasion. Pete Last edited by petemi; 10-20-2009 at 07:58 AM.

11-19-2009, 08:49 PM	#70
Tack Driver Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Caswell County, NC Posts: 564	I would think that a heavy, tough bullet such as a 180 grain elk load would cause the least pelt damage. They'll just sail right through without expanding. A 110 gr hollow point would fragment on impact and cause massive damage. That said, I would use the 110 gr bullet because I like to make coyotes explode, I don't care about the pelts. __________________ If pro is the opposite of con, is Congress the opposite of progress?

11-25-2009, 08:28 PM	#74
Tack Driver Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Caswell County, NC Posts: 564	I doubt if you can get any accuracy or consistency out of those .22 cal 55 gr Accelerator saboted loads. __________________ If pro is the opposite of con, is Congress the opposite of progress?

06-02-2009, 05:13 PM	#62
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 12,452	No rise out of me,I believe all that is posted lately.Just never heard of a 170gr fmj for the military and while a accellerator might kill a deer,I would place the shot as very chancy.But I believe it all.,,,sam.

06-02-2009, 05:45 PM	#63
bobvonb Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Apple Valley, CA Posts: 424	I guess I didn't take the 170gr FMJ literally. I assumed he meant either 168 or 169. One of those was the Match stuff I used, but it's been enough years that I can't remember which exactly, so close enough. He does make an argument for shot placement though.

11-15-2009, 02:59 PM	#68
airgunhunter3 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2	If not using thier pelts then why not? With all the accelerator rounds out there a 110 grain holllowpoint would work great on yotes and foxes out to 200 yards.

11-18-2009, 03:21 AM	#69
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 12,452	A .308cal 110gr hp at 3200fps is not going to be too good for pelts,even at 200yds+. ,,,sam.

11-21-2009, 11:31 PM	#72
JASmith Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Northern California Posts: 6	Your dilemma seems to be that the 30-06 is an excellent cartridge for most big game, but you feel that using the '06 on small game is somehow a waste. As some of the previous posts have indicated, much depends on whether your varmint shooting includes recovery of pelts. Having said that, you might want to consider a fast-twist .223 and 75-77 gr bullets. You'll be hard pressed to tell the difference in trajectory and wind drift between these and 180 gr bullets in the 30-06 as long as the barrel lengths an optics are the same.

11-25-2009, 12:36 PM	#73
99dragon99 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 816	I just checked the Remington site. There is a 55gr Remington Express cartridge... Remington.com - Products - Ammunition - Ballistics That would be about right for varmints...