.308 overkill for coyotes?

ACfixer · 06-21-2008, 10:22 AM

If you (anybody) can shoot a coyote at 1000 yards and drop him with either round you're a far better shot than me.

samuel · 06-21-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ACfixer

If you (anybody) can shoot a coyote at 1000 yards and drop him with either round you're a far better shot than me.

Onsonek can!He understands long range shooting!He informed me that I don't understand long range shooting.What I really don't understand is people that understand long range shooting but dont understand that we were talking about a 50gr bullet at 750/800yds.I never had any doubts a 80/90gr .224 bullet might make it but never was that mentioned until he tried to prove how ignorant I am.Neither was the 6mm.So if you have any coyotes at 750/800yds or prarie dogs at 1100yds+ shot with a .224cal 50gr bullet,call on Onsonek!He can do it because he understands long range shooting.I don't understand long range shooting according to him and that must be true because even tho I have competed some and coached even more for long range shooting for the past 35yrs,I still do not know how one would use a 50gr .224cal bullet succesfuly to kill coyote at 750/800yds and prarie dogs at 1100yds+.Being ignorant as he says,I would probably try a heavier bullet to even attempt such a shot.Just ask Onsonek,He is well informed on 50gr bullets and can make these shots because he understands long range shooting,and I dont. sam.

lefty o · 06-21-2008, 12:27 PM

with a 50gr bullet in a .223, after 400-450yds, your just poking in the wind. can you make hits further, yes- but not reliably.

Taurus Fan · 06-21-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ACfixer

If you (anybody) can shoot a coyote at 1000 yards and drop him with either round you're a far better shot than me.

Only thing I can hit at 1000 yards is the earth, but I'm not gonna brag because it's a pretty big target.

ArkansasHunter · 06-21-2008, 12:34 PM

WOW I've got the Big Head Now ! I didn't know 1000 yard shots was hard to make !!
I do it all the time !!! Honest !!!!...A.H

P.S. Can I win money makeing 1000 yard shots and futher ?

Onesonek · 06-21-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by samuel

Onsonek can!He understands long range shooting!He informed me that I don't understand long range shooting.What I really don't understand is people that understand long range shooting but dont understand that we were talking about a 50gr bullet at 750/800yds.I never had any doubts a 80/90gr .224 bullet might make it but never was that mentioned until he tried to prove how ignorant I am.Neither was the 6mm.So if you have any coyotes at 750/800yds or prarie dogs at 1100yds+ shot with a .224cal 50gr bullet,call on Onsonek!He can do it because he understands long range shooting.I don't understand long range shooting according to him and that must be true because even tho I have competed some and coached even more for long range shooting for the past 35yrs,I still do not know how one would use a 50gr .224cal bullet succesfuly to kill coyote at 750/800yds and prarie dogs at 1100yds+.Being ignorant as he says,I would probably try a heavier bullet to even attempt such a shot.Just ask Onsonek,He is well informed on 50gr bullets and can make these shots because he understands long range shooting,and I dont. sam.

Now your just construing everthing to your liking. If you recall it started questioning the inherent accuracy between the .308 and .223. All I said the .308 isn't necassarily more accurate and that .223 could shoot flatter and buck the wind better. As far as the range goes, that is all dependant between the accuracy of the gun and the shooters skill. I thought I made that clear. I never said what bullet was used for the 1100+ yd shot, I did't know what was used for the bullet other than it was .224 cal. I didnt even say it was .223. I found out later however it was a wildcat starting a Berger 80gr. 2900 fps. ( i'm sure that relatively low velocity despite the higher BC is totally outlandish too in your mind, even though the .308 would best it by very little if at all at 1100yds). The point was the bullet got there, as you been pretty much implying that it was impossible for any .224 to be accurate at those extended ranges. Reading the wind is not easy, and I never said it was,, but with practice and skill in the wind at those ranges ,,,it's far from impossible with the 50 gr and no more impossible than the .308
The ignorant comment may have been uncalled for,,,but you asked for proof, and I supplied it, and you ignored the facts as to your question. So maybe close minded would have been less offensive. I never said shooting 50 gr was easy, I just said in so many words, it was possible, and that for all intents purposes no less accurate than the .308, and that I wouldn't hesitate using it at 750-800 yds. Easy I did not say.
So if you want to spin everything so that you're word is gospel as in most every other topic of controversy that comes up,,,be my quest, I'm sure many value your narrow minded opinions, and heed your caution of advice.

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Originally Posted by lefty o

with a 50gr bullet in a .223, after 400-450yds, your just poking in the wind. can you make hits further, yes- but not reliably.

For the average shooter, I would agree. If you don't spend a lot of time at the trigger with an inherntly accurate gun,,,then it's pretty much wishful thinking
Skill at reading and shooting in the wind at longer ranges, requires greater skill and more practice and intimate knowledge of your load at those ranges,,,,,,it's not a natural acheivement for many. As for reliably and consistant hits at extended ranges, again it's the combination of the above. But not everybody can acheive that either even with the best of equipment and all the practice.

Dave

forestgleaner · 06-22-2008, 04:12 PM

Hey Sam, how far would you hunt coyotes with a sling shot? What if we used paint balls in out sling shots? How far would they go and still burst on impact? Would would you mount a 6.5x 49x 50 bushnicoshy scope on it, and would you use the mounts that allow you to shoot threw with out useing the scope.?
It is fun some times to worry over what cal. and what rifle, and all, and we are all intitled to our own oppinions. I have read a lot of posts, and replys in here. There are some peoples input that I trust, though I am sure at times they may even make a mistake or misunderstand the question.
Sam you have always been informitive and helpful. I hope you never truely give up pissing contests, it would be a shame to lose you.

LiveToShoot · 06-22-2008, 05:08 PM

.308 for coyotes? Yes, it could have some advantages.

...and so could a .270 for distant rock chucks.

samuel · 06-22-2008, 05:38 PM

With two truck tire innertubes and using a pointed 5lb rock I honestly believe it might be possible to make a 1000yd shot with a slingshot.Pea gravel will not work because they would get too hot and burn up.I doubt that a scope would benefit as when you draw the tubes back your arm would shake from the exertion and throw it off.If anyone is going to try this at home,please check your backstop,and be sure to wear eye and ear protection in case one of the tubes breaks.We can never be too safe.And please post a range report with pic,s. sam.

forestgleaner · 06-22-2008, 06:17 PM

Well around here they chuck pumkins in the fall, sometimes useing caterpults. I think I will work on makeing one of them for night time fox hunting. If nothing else, I could find a use for all those jackolanterns left over from halloween. Remind me to remove the candles, lol.

samuel · 06-23-2008, 07:43 AM

Being round and the weight removed wouldnt jackolanterns be rather short range and maybe too frangible? sam.

ACfixer · 06-23-2008, 10:14 AM

Not to get too far off topic

but those punkin' chuckin' guns are just downright awesome.

xj2000 · 06-25-2008, 01:33 AM

so i've been hearing alot of good about the 22-250 over the .223 also. is this applicable for what i'm intending to do?

Silent Shooter · 06-25-2008, 07:33 AM

Nobody in their right mind would shoot a 50gr bullet at those yardages. BR guys use a 90gr BT VLD to reach those yardages. The only thing you are going to hit with a 50gr is wind and then dirt.

samuel · 06-25-2008, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by xj2000

so i've been hearing alot of good about the 22-250 over the .223 also. is this applicable for what i'm intending to do?

I never felt that the .22-250 had that much over the .223 for varmint hunting and is about 1/3rd higher priced to shoot.The effective range for varmints is 15 to 300yds.A .223 will vover out to 400yds if loaded right and you have the skill to do your part.A .22-250 is a great cartridge allowing an experienced marksman to go beyond the range and skills of the average varmint/target shooter. sam.

Blackrock · 06-25-2008, 08:23 AM

It took me six trys to hit a 12" gong at 800 yards with my .222 Rem. Had to hold over by maybe 6 feet and left windage about the same before i could walk it in. Mr Coyote would be long gone by then.

My buddy can consistently whack that same gong with his M14 .308 with iron sights.

billy · 06-25-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackrock

It took me six trys to hit a 12" gong at 800 yards with my .222 Rem. Had to hold over by maybe 6 feet and left windage about the same before i could walk it in. Mr Coyote would be long gone by then.

My buddy can consistently whack that same gong with his M14 .308 with iron sights.

you both got me beat.
i can barely SEE a man sized target at 800 yds.
that is with my glasses that correct my vision.

billy · 06-25-2008, 08:42 AM

at 1000 yds. a bull elk is a dot.

Silent Shooter · 06-25-2008, 08:48 AM

Billy, at 1000 yards everything is a dot...

billy · 06-25-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Silent Shooter

Billy, at 1000 yards everything is a dot...

thats comforting.
from what some say i thought most folks could see what color the elks eyes were at 1000 yards.

06-22-2008, 05:08 PM	#28
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,708	.308 for coyotes? Yes, it could have some advantages. ...and so could a .270 for distant rock chucks. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown

06-25-2008, 07:33 AM	#34
Silent Shooter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 292	Nobody in their right mind would shoot a 50gr bullet at those yardages. BR guys use a 90gr BT VLD to reach those yardages. The only thing you are going to hit with a 50gr is wind and then dirt. __________________ http://sosministries.phpbb-host.com/index-forum.php

06-25-2008, 08:23 AM	#36
Blackrock Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SE Arizona's Gila Valley Posts: 392	It took me six trys to hit a 12" gong at 800 yards with my .222 Rem. Had to hold over by maybe 6 feet and left windage about the same before i could walk it in. Mr Coyote would be long gone by then. My buddy can consistently whack that same gong with his M14 .308 with iron sights. __________________ "I only use my gun whenever kindness fails" Forbidden fruits create many jams

06-25-2008, 08:42 AM	#38
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,408 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	at 1000 yds. a bull elk is a dot. __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

06-25-2008, 08:48 AM	#39
Silent Shooter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 292	Billy, at 1000 yards everything is a dot... __________________ http://sosministries.phpbb-host.com/index-forum.php

06-21-2008, 10:22 AM	#21
ACfixer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Turning base to final -KAPV- Posts: 248	If you (anybody) can shoot a coyote at 1000 yards and drop him with either round you're a far better shot than me.

06-21-2008, 12:27 PM	#23
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,116	with a 50gr bullet in a .223, after 400-450yds, your just poking in the wind. can you make hits further, yes- but not reliably.

06-21-2008, 12:34 PM	#25
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,998	WOW I've got the Big Head Now ! I didn't know 1000 yard shots was hard to make !! I do it all the time !!! Honest !!!!...A.H P.S. Can I win money makeing 1000 yard shots and futher ?

06-22-2008, 04:12 PM	#27
forestgleaner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 182	Hey Sam, how far would you hunt coyotes with a sling shot? What if we used paint balls in out sling shots? How far would they go and still burst on impact? Would would you mount a 6.5x 49x 50 bushnicoshy scope on it, and would you use the mounts that allow you to shoot threw with out useing the scope.? It is fun some times to worry over what cal. and what rifle, and all, and we are all intitled to our own oppinions. I have read a lot of posts, and replys in here. There are some peoples input that I trust, though I am sure at times they may even make a mistake or misunderstand the question. Sam you have always been informitive and helpful. I hope you never truely give up pissing contests, it would be a shame to lose you.

06-22-2008, 05:38 PM	#29
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,253	With two truck tire innertubes and using a pointed 5lb rock I honestly believe it might be possible to make a 1000yd shot with a slingshot.Pea gravel will not work because they would get too hot and burn up.I doubt that a scope would benefit as when you draw the tubes back your arm would shake from the exertion and throw it off.If anyone is going to try this at home,please check your backstop,and be sure to wear eye and ear protection in case one of the tubes breaks.We can never be too safe.And please post a range report with pic,s. sam.

06-22-2008, 06:17 PM	#30
forestgleaner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 182	Well around here they chuck pumkins in the fall, sometimes useing caterpults. I think I will work on makeing one of them for night time fox hunting. If nothing else, I could find a use for all those jackolanterns left over from halloween. Remind me to remove the candles, lol.

06-23-2008, 07:43 AM	#31
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,253	Being round and the weight removed wouldnt jackolanterns be rather short range and maybe too frangible? sam.

06-23-2008, 10:14 AM	#32
ACfixer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Turning base to final -KAPV- Posts: 248	Not to get too far off topic but those punkin' chuckin' guns are just downright awesome.

06-25-2008, 01:33 AM	#33
xj2000 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13	so i've been hearing alot of good about the 22-250 over the .223 also. is this applicable for what i'm intending to do?