.308 overkill for coyotes?

[samuel]

Originally Posted by Onesonek

Where did I imply anybody was lying,,,,and honestly how many snipers on a mission would send mulitiple rounds down range to see where they're at do you know.. All I meant, is that walking a bunch of rounds to the target using hold off is inefficient. In my opinion, it's much better to walk them to the target using hold on. Naturally during the learning phase of any new round/load, even for the most experienced, is going to take practice. No disrepect was meant,,,Sorry if anyone, specially Blackrock took it that way.
Thats why when it comes to big game, I promote PBR sight-ins, and hunt within that range. Hold-off just is more difficult for accuracy.
And Sam,,,I would think you'd be tired of being all wet,,,cuz your sarcasim is nothing more than pi**in in the wind as far as I'm concerned.
Dave

Every sniper I have known sends multiple shots down range to find out where they are hitting.That is how they develope the skill to hold off at varrying ranges to hit the target.In the field there is no access to all of the gadgets you speak of and little time to use them if you had them.And you cant sight in for max pbr and hit very well at twice that range unless you have a good understanding of how much hold off you need.You can't know how much hold off you need without sending a whole lot of bullets downrange,practicing.You are allowed to choose your range hunting.That isnt always the case in combat. Often a snipers primary is at say 800yds and his defensive is at 100yds.He has no time to adjust. Every one that target practices uses this system,whether at 2' or 2000yds.As to walking "a bunch of rounds"to a target is concerned,it worked very well once when we were using a .45colt,trying to hit an old outhouse at 500yds (lazer yds)in Wyoming once.We started hitting it in about 8 or 10 shots and seldom missed after that.(We had checked to see if it was occupied)I cant understand what you mean by "walking them in using hold on"is more efficient.If you mean that you "hold on" and fire once and miss and "hold on"and fire again,you might miss again.If you are adjusting the scope each shot,then you are using the same system as adjusting the angle of the firearm.I am pleased to hear that you are worried about my health and well being as getting pi**ed on might be unsanitary,but if you would stop trying to do it I would think the problem would at least deminish if not go away. sam.

[therifleman]

get a 30-30 ive shot coyotes a lot with a malin336c 30-30 and im satified

[MemphisJim1]

I don't believe ANY caliber is too much for coyotes -- just a question of how far out you want to touch them.

[joe90]

I'm getting really confused with this thread right now but as for snipers... I thought their moto was one shot one kill and most all snipers average shot to kill ratio is 1:1 or pretty darn close to it.. so wouldn't that mean they are only putting one shot down range. not talking about practice here. talking about in the war zone.

[samuel]

Originally Posted by joe90

I'm getting really confused with this thread right now but as for snipers... I thought their moto was one shot one kill and most all snipers average shot to kill ratio is 1:1 or pretty darn close to it.. so wouldn't that mean they are only putting one shot down range. not talking about practice here. talking about in the war zone.

That's the way it is in the movies and the books someone writes about them,so it must be true.(hollywood never exagerates do they?) sam.

[joe90]

I'm just going off of what I have read in a couple auto biographies and was told by my uncle who was a swat sniper (not all that close to a marine or military sniper). But I'm sorry if I ofended you. I'm just stating what I have read and heard. And when I hear it for documentaries and stuff like that too it usually makes you think it would be true... but I'm going on what you are telling me and now should think it was all a lie.

Also a couple family friends who are marines or were marines..

[samuel]

Originally Posted by joe90

I'm just going off of what I have read in a couple auto biographies and was told by my uncle who was a swat sniper (not all that close to a marine or military sniper). But I'm sorry if I ofended you. I'm just stating what I have read and heard. And when I hear it for documentaries and stuff like that too it usually makes you think it would be true... but I'm going on what you are telling me and now should think it was all a lie.

Also a couple family friends who are marines or were marines..

I never implied anyone lied!My only intention was to imply that they may have used the truth very recklessly.It seems that you have multiple sources to substantiate your belief,s and all I have is my own experiences.Altho they carry a high average,I question that they never miss a shot or fail a mission. At any rate the authors of war books and hollywood movies,and tellers of war stories are much better at telling the story than I am because they are attempting to tell what happened,and I am trying to forget it.I am pleased you can see what is on tv,read books,and listen to actual experiences and be entertained by all of it.It doesn't work that way for me.Take their word for it and entertain yourself.Its good for you,it wouldn't be so good for me.By the way,I was not a sniper as I have stated before.I did train with them and had the MOS (8541) but was Force Recon.Scout/Sniper training is much longer and harder than what I did but I could take a shortened version because of other training I had qualified for and passed. sam.

[joe90]

Just my curiosity. What war or wars or just time did you serve in? And I'm sorry for my lack of detail. when I said shot to kill raton of 1:1 or close to it i just ment more often than not it is a one shot thing. I wasn't implying they never fail or never have to shoot more than once. thats just how I have heard it, but from what i can tell you have a good bit more experience with that than I do.

[roverboy]

I've shot 2 coyotes with a .308 handload (150 gr. Hornady Interlock 47 gr. Win. 748).
Its a deer load, shot'em while I was deer hunting. Worked great,but wouldn't be good if you wanted to sell hides. My .223 would be better for that.
David

[Mike Franklin]

If you want the hides shoot'm in the head with FMJ.

[Rex in OTZ]

Killing coyote's, my family had been killing them for awhile as we ranch and they pose a risk to livestock, early on we used a Savage 99F scoped in 243 it did ok if we used a light enough bullet, My Father used a Remington 721 scoped in .30-06 with 110 grainers for awhile then switched to a .25-06, my uncle lives in broken/hill country and usally carries a Winchester 94 30-30 and uses some hoarded Remington Accellorator rounds that really do a job of putting down a coyote no traveling around a 1/4 mile looking for them. I say use what ya got and try and load for it, these day's Dad uses a Remington model 78 scoped in .223 and swears by it.
I had a .17 remington but those Prairie winds were too much so I traded it off.
The .22-250 has filled the rancher need for pest control for awhile and allot of guy's swear by them.

[wombat]

if a 308 is what you want for yor 1st bolt get it and learn to shoot it and learn to reload you will be happy 168 match grade works will

[elmer fudd]

well i think its to big if your wanting to save the fur to sell i use a .243 with 80 grain bullets in it and thats just a tad big i still think but ya

[conanld]

This is an older thread, but for what it's worth, I believe that most US military snipers prefer the .308 over smaller calibers at ranges of aprox. 4oo to 1,000 meters.