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tamalpias · 10-18-2008, 05:19 PM

different states/countries have different laws. So to answer your question about baiting and caliber size it should be about 1) is it legal and 2) what your moral compass guides you.

If it is not against the law then who is to stop you from shooting at a cat with a 223 while it is sitting over a pile of guts? Also if you don't see an issue with it why bother asking what our opinions are? does it even matter? You will get guys with many different opinions but it really should be what your conscious guides you.

So to answer your question the one thing you should always try to follow as a responsible hunter is all animals deserve a clean and fast kill. If you are within range where you are comfortable putting it down cleanly then go for it.

bunce · 10-18-2008, 07:41 PM

im not looking at it from a lawful side, rather a guarantee side, and also how does the number of the caliber correspond with the size of the bullet?

tamalpias · 10-18-2008, 10:17 PM

if you are looking at a guarenteed side then it is what are your capabilitis in delivering a kill shot. On such an anmial vitals or head shot will be required and so at what range can you guarentee such a hit? That is up to your own capabilities and nothing we can tell you because we don't know what your abilities are.

As far as caliber besides the metric (6mm, 7mm, 8mm) which are obvious we usually denote a caliber in the form of fraction of an inch. so a 50 caliber would be .5 of an inch. a 308 is .308 of an inch etc.

vicv · 10-18-2008, 11:35 PM

it's the diameter of the base of the bullet. you won't be able to see it cause most of it is in the case. you have a .223 remington which the bullet has a diameter of .224 of an inch or 5.56 mm. the larger diameter of the bullet, the more weight you will have and also more area that impacts your target, which generally will provide more lethality to the animal. there are other factors as well but that's a general rule. i don't own a .223 but i believe they usually have a 1 in 9" twist in the barrel so you should be able to go up to around a 75 or 80 gr bullet. that's a big animal for that round so the heavier the bullet the more it will penetrate. as to your question, you cannot load anything but .223 ammunition in your rifle. there are exacting tolerances in your rifle designed for that cartridge. using anything else could very likely destroy your rifle and seriously injure yourself or others around you. good hunting. try not to get eaten!

GlockMeister · 10-19-2008, 02:06 AM

Hello and welcome to G&G bunce.

bunce · 10-19-2008, 05:39 AM

THANK YOU tamalpias! thats exactly what i was looking for, also thanks for explaining what sell33 was saying before about a .223 being a TRUE .224, makes a lot of sense to me now

when i see in magazines that they have diffeent bullets in their gun, am i just seeing bullets with more and less powder?

should i just get .223 deer bullets that seem to be very heavy?

thanks again your all being so much help

bunce · 10-19-2008, 05:43 AM

also what does it mean by winchester mag and remmington and is that linked to magnums?

bunce · 10-19-2008, 05:46 AM

oh also while i think of it and im still on the thread (sorry to do 3 separate posts) how is a .30-06 or .22-250 calculated in terms of fraction of an inch rather than a .223 or .308?

vicv · 10-19-2008, 09:02 AM

a .22-250 shoots the same bullet as your .223, just has a bigger case with more powder to shoot the bullet faster. a .30-06 shoots a .308 inch bullet

vicv · 10-19-2008, 09:08 AM

sorry read your post again and i think i know what you mean. a .22-250 is called that because it's a .22 caliber bullet(.224 inch) in a necked down .250 savage brass.( it was a.25 caliber round and the case was necked down to accept .224 bullets). the .30-06 is a .30 caliber bullet(.308 inch) and was developed in 1906 for the american military. if you'd like a lot of information on just about any cartridge or anything really try this site and enter what you want to look up List of rifle cartridges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gopher3604x4 · 10-20-2008, 10:16 AM

If I have done my reserch correctly, your cat is about the size of an American bobcat. So, I would say that any cinterfire should work fine.

ian_brown · 10-20-2008, 01:04 PM

I'm a newb myself, so if any of my answers are wrong I'd appreciate corrections. That said, I'll try to address some of your remaining questions.

1. I think that some calibers are designated in inches because they originated in the US or predate the metric system, while the "millimeter" designated bullets originated in metric countries.

2. I believe ammo labeled "magnum" usually has a larger shell casing, and thus more powder, than standard ammo of the same diameter. Thus a 22 magnum fires a bullet that is about the same diameter as a 22lr (the standard .22), but the magnum shell tapers to the bullet, and is also longer than the 22lr. I don't think magnum ammo will ever work in a gun that is not designed for it.

3. The different ammo you read about in magazines may be different types of bullets all in the same caliber. I think the posters here are recommending that if you use your .223, you use a higher grain ammo.

I'm just picking up shooting again after almost two decades away, so if any/all of my answers are off base I apologize.

One question for you: what are panthers doing in Australia? WTF?

bunce · 10-21-2008, 06:36 PM

They were released by American pilots at the end of the war as they were kept as mascots. The Pilots were told to kill them but instead they just released them into te scrub.

bunce · 10-21-2008, 06:39 PM

so can i put .22-250 rounds in my .223 gun?

AllAlaskan · 10-22-2008, 06:27 AM

what was released into the scrub? The cats? Im not saying I dont believe you I just dont understand why American pilots would bring wild bobcats or any other medium sized wild cat to australia.

Gopher3604x4 · 10-22-2008, 08:04 AM

NO!!!!!! bunce, you can not! if it is not .223 Rem. you can not shoot it in your gun. ONLY .223 Remington, will work, you may use a diffrent powder, powder amount, bullet type, bullet Gr, primer, but the casing and bullet diamiter must be the same.

Deersniper · 10-22-2008, 09:41 AM

Always use the right caliber intended for the gun. A soft point used for hunting is what you want. The more friends the better, there may be several cats not just one. Good to hear from you. This makes me realize how important the RKBA is.

Onesonek · 10-22-2008, 10:30 AM

I might have missed it, but how big do these cats over there get weight wise?

Dave

bunce · 11-06-2008, 04:45 AM

ok thanks guys you have been great help so far.

frew queries:

1.RKBA?

2.Is it hard to make your own bullets or should you be experienced in bullet contruction before attempting?

also can some one give me a link to really good .223 ammo for this kill.

Btw Onesonek they are about 70kg and 3 times the size of a household cat, about 1.5 meters including tail.

bunce · 11-06-2008, 04:47 AM

also one other thing, whats the difference between a winchester and remmington magazine and do they differ from a magnum or does each come in it's own magnum?

10-19-2008, 02:06 AM	#25
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 6,792	Hello and welcome to G&G bunce. __________________ Maybe I oughta tie the long hair on yer head to the short hair on yer ass & kick ya down the street!

10-22-2008, 06:27 AM	#35
AllAlaskan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In HOT North East Texas Missing COLD South Central Alaska Posts: 886	what was released into the scrub? The cats? Im not saying I dont believe you I just dont understand why American pilots would bring wild bobcats or any other medium sized wild cat to australia. __________________ Charlie

10-22-2008, 08:04 AM	#36
Gopher3604x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 1/2 mi. off the dirt road. Posts: 157	NO!!!!!! bunce, you can not! if it is not .223 Rem. you can not shoot it in your gun. ONLY .223 Remington, will work, you may use a diffrent powder, powder amount, bullet type, bullet Gr, primer, but the casing and bullet diamiter must be the same. __________________ That critter died of a turminal case of hi velosity lead poisoning. Gopher

10-18-2008, 05:19 PM	#21
tamalpias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 41	different states/countries have different laws. So to answer your question about baiting and caliber size it should be about 1) is it legal and 2) what your moral compass guides you. If it is not against the law then who is to stop you from shooting at a cat with a 223 while it is sitting over a pile of guts? Also if you don't see an issue with it why bother asking what our opinions are? does it even matter? You will get guys with many different opinions but it really should be what your conscious guides you. So to answer your question the one thing you should always try to follow as a responsible hunter is all animals deserve a clean and fast kill. If you are within range where you are comfortable putting it down cleanly then go for it.

10-18-2008, 07:41 PM	#22
bunce Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 24	im not looking at it from a lawful side, rather a guarantee side, and also how does the number of the caliber correspond with the size of the bullet?

10-18-2008, 10:17 PM	#23
tamalpias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 41	if you are looking at a guarenteed side then it is what are your capabilitis in delivering a kill shot. On such an anmial vitals or head shot will be required and so at what range can you guarentee such a hit? That is up to your own capabilities and nothing we can tell you because we don't know what your abilities are. As far as caliber besides the metric (6mm, 7mm, 8mm) which are obvious we usually denote a caliber in the form of fraction of an inch. so a 50 caliber would be .5 of an inch. a 308 is .308 of an inch etc.

10-18-2008, 11:35 PM	#24
vicv Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: southeastern ontario Posts: 144	it's the diameter of the base of the bullet. you won't be able to see it cause most of it is in the case. you have a .223 remington which the bullet has a diameter of .224 of an inch or 5.56 mm. the larger diameter of the bullet, the more weight you will have and also more area that impacts your target, which generally will provide more lethality to the animal. there are other factors as well but that's a general rule. i don't own a .223 but i believe they usually have a 1 in 9" twist in the barrel so you should be able to go up to around a 75 or 80 gr bullet. that's a big animal for that round so the heavier the bullet the more it will penetrate. as to your question, you cannot load anything but .223 ammunition in your rifle. there are exacting tolerances in your rifle designed for that cartridge. using anything else could very likely destroy your rifle and seriously injure yourself or others around you. good hunting. try not to get eaten!

10-19-2008, 05:39 AM	#26
bunce Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 24	THANK YOU tamalpias! thats exactly what i was looking for, also thanks for explaining what sell33 was saying before about a .223 being a TRUE .224, makes a lot of sense to me now when i see in magazines that they have diffeent bullets in their gun, am i just seeing bullets with more and less powder? should i just get .223 deer bullets that seem to be very heavy? thanks again your all being so much help

10-19-2008, 05:43 AM	#27
bunce Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 24	also what does it mean by winchester mag and remmington and is that linked to magnums?

10-19-2008, 05:46 AM	#28
bunce Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 24	oh also while i think of it and im still on the thread (sorry to do 3 separate posts) how is a .30-06 or .22-250 calculated in terms of fraction of an inch rather than a .223 or .308?

10-19-2008, 09:02 AM	#29
vicv Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: southeastern ontario Posts: 144	a .22-250 shoots the same bullet as your .223, just has a bigger case with more powder to shoot the bullet faster. a .30-06 shoots a .308 inch bullet

10-19-2008, 09:08 AM	#30
vicv Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: southeastern ontario Posts: 144	sorry read your post again and i think i know what you mean. a .22-250 is called that because it's a .22 caliber bullet(.224 inch) in a necked down .250 savage brass.( it was a.25 caliber round and the case was necked down to accept .224 bullets). the .30-06 is a .30 caliber bullet(.308 inch) and was developed in 1906 for the american military. if you'd like a lot of information on just about any cartridge or anything really try this site and enter what you want to look up List of rifle cartridges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10-20-2008, 10:16 AM	#31
Gopher3604x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 1/2 mi. off the dirt road. Posts: 157	If I have done my reserch correctly, your cat is about the size of an American bobcat. So, I would say that any cinterfire should work fine.

10-20-2008, 01:04 PM	#32
ian_brown Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: East Coast Posts: 17	I'm a newb myself, so if any of my answers are wrong I'd appreciate corrections. That said, I'll try to address some of your remaining questions. 1. I think that some calibers are designated in inches because they originated in the US or predate the metric system, while the "millimeter" designated bullets originated in metric countries. 2. I believe ammo labeled "magnum" usually has a larger shell casing, and thus more powder, than standard ammo of the same diameter. Thus a 22 magnum fires a bullet that is about the same diameter as a 22lr (the standard .22), but the magnum shell tapers to the bullet, and is also longer than the 22lr. I don't think magnum ammo will ever work in a gun that is not designed for it. 3. The different ammo you read about in magazines may be different types of bullets all in the same caliber. I think the posters here are recommending that if you use your .223, you use a higher grain ammo. I'm just picking up shooting again after almost two decades away, so if any/all of my answers are off base I apologize. One question for you: what are panthers doing in Australia? WTF?

10-21-2008, 06:36 PM	#33
bunce Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 24	They were released by American pilots at the end of the war as they were kept as mascots. The Pilots were told to kill them but instead they just released them into te scrub.

10-21-2008, 06:39 PM	#34
bunce Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 24	so can i put .22-250 rounds in my .223 gun?

10-22-2008, 09:41 AM	#37
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,129	Always use the right caliber intended for the gun. A soft point used for hunting is what you want. The more friends the better, there may be several cats not just one. Good to hear from you. This makes me realize how important the RKBA is.

10-22-2008, 10:30 AM	#38
Onesonek Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pipestone, MN. Posts: 527	I might have missed it, but how big do these cats over there get weight wise? Dave

11-06-2008, 04:45 AM	#39
bunce Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 24	ok thanks guys you have been great help so far. frew queries: 1.RKBA? 2.Is it hard to make your own bullets or should you be experienced in bullet contruction before attempting? also can some one give me a link to really good .223 ammo for this kill. Btw Onesonek they are about 70kg and 3 times the size of a household cat, about 1.5 meters including tail.

11-06-2008, 04:47 AM	#40
bunce Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 24	also one other thing, whats the difference between a winchester and remmington magazine and do they differ from a magnum or does each come in it's own magnum?