you thought coyotes were bad

ottawa rogue · 09-23-2009, 12:55 PM

looks what's coming

Coyote + wolf = new breed of predator - Discovery.com- msnbc.com

Lobo0311 · 09-23-2009, 01:01 PM

yeah there have been reports of things like these in a few northern states, they call them brush wolves I think, little bigger than a 'yote, lil smaller than a wolf. A friend of mine in Meriden has what he thinks is just a large 'yote that comes across his back 10 acres, wonder if its one of the hybrids.
I'd guess more likely a cross with a german shepherd, but then we dont have mountain lions here either..........

ArkansasHunter · 09-23-2009, 01:06 PM

Thats Interesting, I just left typing my thoughts on the super Boar wild hogs that are evolving and now this.
Were seeing Planet changes along with the people that live on it and Wildlife is to LOL.
I can't help wonder now if the Duckbilledplatapus....Evolved into what it was due to different critters mateing LOL

samuel · 09-23-2009, 01:15 PM

We have coydogs in Mich.I can tell by the hair.When I get one,I just pitch it as fur buyers have no use for them.I don't think they can breed back as most hybrids such as mules can't.I would think if they could breed there would be more of them. ,,,sam.

Lobo0311 · 09-23-2009, 04:41 PM

I dont see why they couldnt breed back, I mean a 1/2 jack russel/ 1/2 lab (just an example) could breed back to either breed, isnt that how we end up with "mutts" a little of everything but not really anything?

tappedandtagged · 09-23-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by samuel

We have coydogs in Mich.I can tell by the hair.When I get one,I just pitch it as fur buyers have no use for them.I don't think they can breed back as most hybrids such as mules can't.I would think if they could breed there would be more of them. ,,,sam.

Horse and donkey's have a different number of chromosomes and can't produce sperm or eggs. If it's two different K-9 species, I don't see why they couldn't breed unless coyote's and wolves chromosomes are also different from one another. We need a biologist on this forum.

Freezing Hot · 09-23-2009, 10:05 PM

Both ordinary dogs and coyotes have 39 pairs of chromosomes. Given wikipedia's "gray wolf" page isn't lying, Wolves are also able to produce fertile offspring.

From what I'm seeing, there's no reason the offspring of a coyote and wolf should not be fertile.

Source: Gray Wolf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

samuel · 09-23-2009, 11:00 PM

Maybe they can but they must not do it much as I seldom run into a coydog. ,,,sam.

jrswanson1 · 09-23-2009, 11:58 PM

Wolves tend to eat coyotes and dogs, coyotes tend to eat dogs. I don't see that interbreeding happening between predator and prey. The coyotes may be getting bigger since there's less competition for them.

Jim

roverboy · 09-24-2009, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jrswanson1

Wolves tend to eat coyotes and dogs, coyotes tend to eat dogs. I don't see that interbreeding happening between predator and prey. The coyotes may be getting bigger since there's less competition for them.

Jim

Could be. The coyotes around here where I live are kinda big. I've killed 2 males that were about 50 lbs. each.

RJMAcres · 09-25-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jrswanson1

Wolves tend to eat coyotes and dogs, coyotes tend to eat dogs. I don't see that interbreeding happening between predator and prey. The coyotes may be getting bigger since there's less competition for them.

Jim

Can't say as I've seen a wolf/coy mix.
But have seen many coydogs and wolfdogs in the past few years so
interbreeding does happen. They were a major pain in the ass around
our farm. Most of them are gone now.

Randy

ottawa rogue · 09-25-2009, 09:34 PM

How goes the bear hunt RJM?

RJMAcres · 09-26-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ottawa rogue

How goes the bear hunt RJM?

Not great but it hasn't been back again that we know of.
Think it touched the electric fence while standing in rain water last
saturday. That would have gotten it's attention big time.

I no longer have the official OK to shoot it either.

Randy

dogknott · 09-26-2009, 09:22 AM

I may have to agree with Sam on this 1, When I have seen coydogs they have been alone or with another coydog, so they may not get to breed with another coyote because they cant get along. They probably bred up originally because of opportunity, couldn't pass it up. I don't know about the genetics, but how do we know it don't change once a coydog is produced.

sniper1958 · 09-26-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tappedandtagged

Horse and donkey's have a different number of chromosomes and can't produce sperm or eggs. If it's two different K-9 species, I don't see why they couldn't breed unless coyote's and wolves chromosomes are also different from one another. We need a biologist on this forum.

Hmmmm.... I wonder if this is why the jackalope is so rare, usually only seen after a taxidermist does the work................

RJMAcres · 09-26-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dogknott

I may have to agree with Sam on this 1, When I have seen coydogs they have been alone or with another coydog, so they may not get to breed with another coyote because they cant get along. They probably bred up originally because of opportunity, couldn't pass it up. I don't know about the genetics, but how do we know it don't change once a coydog is produced.

Don't think I have ever seen a coydog running with coyotes but have
seen them running with packs of wild dogs. Or in small packs of their
own. Litter mates maybe ?

Randy

rdale501 · 09-27-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RJMAcres

Don't think I have ever seen a coydog running with coyotes but have
seen them running with packs of wild dogs. Or in small packs of their
own. Litter mates maybe ?

Randy

My dads brother had a cattle ranch in northwestern Calif. For a long time there were no coyotes or wild dogs on this place. Then a pack formed and believe it or not there was an Irish Setter running with it and the young were coydogs and he was the father. The government trapper who came in to help said the dog was probably abondoned and met up with a young female coyote on her own for some reason. These things really caused a lot of havoc for awhile. They were a bit bigger than a coyote and got several young calvs before they were all shot or trapped out. Some of the neighboring places had reported the dog running stock for awhile before it showed up at my uncles place. This was in the early 60's and I was pretty young, but I remember it all pretty well. The trapper said they weren't as afraid of humans as a coyote was. The female was the only pure coyote that was shot. All of the coydogs were faily young.

RJMAcres · 09-27-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rdale501

My dads brother had a cattle ranch in northwestern Calif. For a long time there were no coyotes or wild dogs on this place. Then a pack formed and believe it or not there was an Irish Setter running with it and the young were coydogs and he was the father. The government trapper who came in to help said the dog was probably abondoned and met up with a young female coyote on her own for some reason. These things really caused a lot of havoc for awhile. They were a bit bigger than a coyote and got several young calvs before they were all shot or trapped out. Some of the neighboring places had reported the dog running stock for awhile before it showed up at my uncles place. This was in the early 60's and I was pretty young, but I remember it all pretty well. The trapper said they weren't as afraid of humans as a coyote was. The female was the only pure coyote that was shot. All of the coydogs were faily young.

Wild dogs can be extremely aggresive and just nasty to have around.
They've killed lots of calves in this area.
I haven't seen any irish setters in with them however. Those dogs are
usually pretty meek and mild or at least the ones I've been around.
Quite a few of the dogs we've had to deal with have been german short
hairs. We think those were escaping from a huge puppy mill that we
didn't know about until it was raided and shut down earlier this year.
Labs have been common in the wild dogs also.

Randy

cjleete · 09-30-2009, 03:04 PM

Here's a word that should make your spine shiver: Basselope. Be afraid, be very afraid.

RJMAcres · 10-02-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cjleete

Here's a word that should make your spine shiver: Basselope. Be afraid, be very afraid.

Geez, we need to find a taxidermist to make one of those.

That's a mighty pretty dog you have in your picture.
Malmute, Samoya or Husky ?

Randy

09-23-2009, 12:55 PM	#1
ottawa rogue Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ottawa Kansas Posts: 356	you thought coyotes were bad looks what's coming Coyote + wolf = new breed of predator - Discovery.com- msnbc.com __________________ "Ad Astra Per Aspera"

09-23-2009, 01:01 PM	#2
Lobo0311 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northeast Kansas Posts: 631	yeah there have been reports of things like these in a few northern states, they call them brush wolves I think, little bigger than a 'yote, lil smaller than a wolf. A friend of mine in Meriden has what he thinks is just a large 'yote that comes across his back 10 acres, wonder if its one of the hybrids. I'd guess more likely a cross with a german shepherd, but then we dont have mountain lions here either.......... __________________ If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?

09-23-2009, 01:06 PM	#3
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas. Posts: 17,212	Thats Interesting, I just left typing my thoughts on the super Boar wild hogs that are evolving and now this. Were seeing Planet changes along with the people that live on it and Wildlife is to LOL. I can't help wonder now if the Duckbilledplatapus....Evolved into what it was due to different critters mateing LOL __________________ IN GOD WE TRUST NRA MEMBER

09-23-2009, 04:41 PM	#5
Lobo0311 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northeast Kansas Posts: 631	I dont see why they couldnt breed back, I mean a 1/2 jack russel/ 1/2 lab (just an example) could breed back to either breed, isnt that how we end up with "mutts" a little of everything but not really anything? __________________ If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?

09-25-2009, 09:34 PM	#12
ottawa rogue Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ottawa Kansas Posts: 356	How goes the bear hunt RJM? __________________ "Ad Astra Per Aspera"

09-23-2009, 01:15 PM	#4
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,912	We have coydogs in Mich.I can tell by the hair.When I get one,I just pitch it as fur buyers have no use for them.I don't think they can breed back as most hybrids such as mules can't.I would think if they could breed there would be more of them. ,,,sam.

09-23-2009, 10:05 PM	#7
Freezing Hot Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 49	Both ordinary dogs and coyotes have 39 pairs of chromosomes. Given wikipedia's "gray wolf" page isn't lying, Wolves are also able to produce fertile offspring. From what I'm seeing, there's no reason the offspring of a coyote and wolf should not be fertile. Source: Gray Wolf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

09-23-2009, 11:00 PM	#8
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,912	Maybe they can but they must not do it much as I seldom run into a coydog. ,,,sam.

09-23-2009, 11:58 PM	#9
jrswanson1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,093	Wolves tend to eat coyotes and dogs, coyotes tend to eat dogs. I don't see that interbreeding happening between predator and prey. The coyotes may be getting bigger since there's less competition for them. Jim

09-26-2009, 09:22 AM	#14
dogknott Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: IOWA Posts: 22	I may have to agree with Sam on this 1, When I have seen coydogs they have been alone or with another coydog, so they may not get to breed with another coyote because they cant get along. They probably bred up originally because of opportunity, couldn't pass it up. I don't know about the genetics, but how do we know it don't change once a coydog is produced.

09-30-2009, 03:04 PM	#19
cjleete Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 351	Here's a word that should make your spine shiver: Basselope. Be afraid, be very afraid. __________________ "Yeah I'm playing with a full deck, all Jokers of course"